Marriage of parents of Anders Camitz

[Luke Ronlund]

Anders, son of Georg Camitz and Elizabet Beckman, born 20 Jul 1740 (Örebro, Nikolai C:2 1693-1741). Mother Elizabet likely 21 yrs old at time of birth. Looking for the marriage record of Georg Camitz and Elizabet Beckman, presumably at Örebro. I have access (for 1 week) to the Arkiv Digital website but am having no luck. Can any-one assist me with this lookup (or any other information associated with this family).

[Bo Johansson]

It was common to marry in the bride's home parish. Do you know where she was born. Perhaps mentioned in her death record, or in some household record?
 
// Bo Johansson

[Kristina Gunnarsdotter]

Have you noticed the birth of their son Lars, born 13 December 1735 and Lars Georgien, 22 October 1738?
 
 
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Kristina1 2011-02-26 17:41)

[Bo Johansson]

Their marriage is found 14 Nov 1734, Bruks Bokhållaren (factory accountant) Mr. Giöran Kammits and miss Elisabet Beckman. GID 2316.82.10500, [Örebro] Örebro Nikolai, E.1, Marriages, 1693-1741, Image 45.
 
// Bo Johansson

[Luke Ronlund]

Many thanks Bo and Kristina. I am new to both Swedish record keeping and to this forum. Searching page by page late last night through digital Arkiv records, I found the birth records of Lars (13 Dec 1735) and Lars Georgien (22 Oct 1738). I also found another child Brita Greta (26 Mar 1737). The record you found Bo, is almost definitely their marriage as no other children were born of a Georg/Gioran Camits/Kammits and Elisabet Beckman prior to 1735.  
 
I also found a birth record for an Elisabet Beckman in Örebro, Nikolai of 21 Aug 1712 (earlier, I had mistakenly thought this was 1719). This would have placed Elisabet at approx 22 yrs when married which fits neatly with the other information I have. The birth record for Elisabet indicates her fathers name as Lars and the first born of Georg and Elisabet was also named Lars. Therefore, there is a good chance I have the same Elisabet.  
 
MANY thanks Bo for the Bruks Bokhållaren (factory accountant) information. This goes a little way to supporting my hypothesis that the Camits I am researching is a relative of the Camits family of Kristineham who were dominant in the construction/ownership/management of the regions steel mills.  
 
MANY thanks again to you both for all your help so far.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Camitz 2011-02-27 13:00)

[Chris Bingefors]

Apparently, there is a son Georg, copper smith, who dies 1788 according to the register of estate inventories in Örebro. He has no issue, his nearest are his mother Elisabet Beckman and sister Lovisa Lindblad married to Fredrik Bellander. His wife is Christina Bergström.
 
Örebro rådhusrätt och magistrat  F2:14 (1784-1788) Bild 665 / sid 659 (AID: v150425.b665.s659, NAD: SE/ULA/118061)
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla 2011-02-27 10:11)

[Luke Ronlund]

Hi Chris. Would you kindly be able to look a little closer at that document again and advise me please (I cannot read Swedish and am unfamiliar with the magistrat document). Could you tell me the significance of the names Lars G Camitz and Fred Bollinger on the scanned scrap of paper at the bottom of Bild 667 (is these old IOU signatures or are these the magistrat document witness signatures?). There is the same thing L G Camitz written on the bottom of Bild 668.
 
In further substantiating the death of George Camitz, I did a search of Örebro Nikolai F:1 (1693-1820) Bild 105. Am I correct in this being a record of death for a Lars Camitz on 11 Aug 1788? If so, is it possible that the Lars Camitz in that record, is the same person as the Georg Camitz in the Magistrat record which is really the same person as the Lars Georgien Camitz who was born on 21 Oct 1738 (Örebro Nikolai C:2 1693-1741 Bild 348? If it is, then he would have died at approx age 50 which would seem a bit premature. Does the Magistrat document hint of cause of death?

[Chris Bingefors]

I think the scaps are IOUs, signed by Lars George Camitz and witnessed by his brother in law, Fredric Bellander. (The name Lundelius is listed among debts on Bild 666) He is most probably the same as Lars Georg, died 11 aug 1788. Cause of death: Pulmonar Tuberculosis.
 
You can find them all at:
Örebro Nikolai AI:9 (1786-1790) Bild 336 / sid 335 (AID: v52706.b336.s335, NAD: SE/ULA/11800)
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla 2011-02-27 13:26)

[Chris Bingefors]

The page in the the household census (AI:9) also gives Elisabet Beckamn´s year of birth as 1711. She obiously married a copper smith named Lindblad in a second marriage. Daughter Lovisa being born in 1756.
 
Örebro Nikolai AI:3 (1750-1764) Bild 56 / sid 53 (AID: v52700.b56.s53, NAD: SE/ULA/11800)
Gives her second husband, Olof Lindblad, born in Sköllersta 1725.

[Britt-Marie Waller]

As the question also were placed at Camitz in the swedish discussion, some research are done twice...

[Luke Ronlund]

Thank-you very much for this additional information Chris Bingefors.
 
Also thank you Britt-Marie. I will not continue the discussions here in this thread but instead will continue them in the Camitz thread in the swedish discussion. This should prevent a double up of research/input
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Camitz 2011-03-01 02:39)