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Författare Ämne: Translation and explain of words  (läst 3574 gånger)

2015-12-25, 09:29
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I would like to know signifikance this words. Behind the name Josef Mráz are ... anjunk Huscqare.  
Behind the name Bergendahl are above names Fredrika Lovisa Terese is word dahostrino?
 
Thank you very much for reading and translation.
 
 

2015-12-25, 10:29
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Josef Franz Mràz was a mjusician and a warrant officer at the music corps of the regiment Västgöta Dal. What your read as Huscqare means house owner (husägare).
 
If your look at Göteborgs Haga AIIa:4 (1895-1910) Bild 162 / sid 1055 (AID: v82634.b162.s1055, NAD: SE/GLA/13184)you can see that dahostrino stands for f Wahlström (born Wahlström i.e. her maiden name, she is a widow).
 
Greetings
Lasse
Post 1880-14-214-2403
 
Mráz, Josef Franz
Fanjunkare vid Västgöta Dals regementes musikkår
 
f. 1843 i Tjeckien, Nikovice
 
Gift man, far i familjen
 
Egendom N:o 42 Husargatan
Göteborgs Masthugg-Haga - Östra Haga (Göteborgs och Bohus län, Västergötland)
 
Registrerad födelseort: Tjeckien, Nikovice Böhmen
Extract from the population register of 1880.

2015-12-25, 12:01
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Thank you very much for your help.
 
Best regards
                   Karel Konecny

2015-12-26, 09:55
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I have one more question. Why is not the place of birth for wife Axelina Gudino Bergendahl? Is it possible to know the place of birth?

2015-12-26, 13:10
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The parishes in Göteborg were changed in 1883.
You can find Axelina´s birth in Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling CI:14 page 617.
Finn Fries

2015-12-26, 16:13
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Thank you very much for explanation and advice.
 
Best regards Karel K.

2016-04-05, 08:24
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Please about transfer the registration of  Axelina´s birth in Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling CI:14 page 617.

Thank you very much.

2016-04-05, 19:21
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Oddly enough the mother's first name is missing in the entry. The father is not mentioned at all so Axelina was probably born out of wedlock.

Axelina Gadiwa
Born: 20 [september]
Baptised: 27
Mother Housekeeper Wahlström ..., 35 [years old]
Witnesses Sergeant JF Bergendahl, ....... [an illegible title]
Ax[el] Frithiof Bergendahl, widow H Schwitzer
mademoiselle Hanna Petersson
Midwife mademoiselle H Petersson

2016-04-05, 20:30
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Axelina's second name: Gudiwa (Gudiva)

(Probably inspired by Lady Godiva. The name Gudiva is unusual in Sweden but seems to have been popular in Gothenburg at the time.)

AF Bergendahl's title: trumpetare (trumpeter / bugler)

2016-04-05, 20:41
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Thank you for your help. I'm trying to validate a note of her origin.

2016-04-06, 09:14
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I would like to ask what it means "sku" behind the name Wahlström in the registration of birth?

2016-04-07, 12:18
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I have to apologize because I obviously misread.
It is about "Mu". Maybe Masthugg.

2016-04-07, 15:01
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Do you have a picture of the registration of birth?

2016-04-07, 17:27
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I have the picture but the word.

2016-04-07, 23:57
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Karel, are you actually locking for Hushållerskan Wahlström, and this is all you know about her so far? Have you found Axelina or her mother later?


I say those letters earlier but I was not sure about the interpretation. My guess is Dkn, meaning Domkyrkoförsamlingen, and meaning that the mother was living there. It happened that unmarried mothers moved out to the countryside to give birth. But this might be totally wrong and you might have information that you have not given here.

2016-04-08, 08:53
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I only found the records of living on Ostra Haga with her husband Joseph Mráz. Lovisa Fredrika Terese Bergendahl / Wahlström, who thought that her mother lives next to them.
Recording weddings Axeliny Joseph Mraz from 20. 9. 1877 I didn´t found and I do not know where to look. I do not know Axeliny place of birth, which is not mentioned in the records.
I'm just trying to verify the story, which is associated with the Swedish king.

2016-04-10, 02:10
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In Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:12 (1873-1883) Bild 369 / sid 729 (AID: v35188.b369.s729, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) I found Josef Mras, "Musikus", born 1843-12-27 in Nicovic, Böhmen, and his wife Axelina Gudiva Bergendahl, born 1860-09-20. They married 1877-09-20, on her 17th birthday, he was double her age. He was a Roman Catholic. Did you know this?

2016-04-10, 08:48
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Thank you for help. Yes, I know that page. Then I've known records of site 636 and 1069.


2016-04-10, 11:52
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What is site 636 and 1069?


Do you know of the family before Axelina's marriage in Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:12 (1873-1883) Bild 105 / sid 201 (AID: v35188.b105.s201, NAD: SE/GLA/13180)? The marriage is in Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling E:10 (1870-1877) Bild 232 (AID: v33885.b232, NAD: SE/GLA/13180).


Josef Mráz is noted in Göteborgs Katolska AII:1 (1866-1883) Bild 26 (AID: v33975.b26, NAD: SE/GLA/14911), but there is no additional information.

2016-04-10, 12:09
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And, do you know Bergendahl and his two wives in Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling AIa:1 (1811-1884) Bild 13 / sid 19 (AID: v34984.b13.s19, NAD: SE/GLA/13183)?

2016-04-10, 12:24
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Thank you very much for your help. I don´t know these records. I have to buy access to the registers of next week.
Page 636 and 1069 I enclose.

2016-04-10, 20:26
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I do not know what is meant by the remark at a record weddings at Axeliny. I think that it is some exception because of her age.
For the record Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:12 (1873-1883) Bild 105 / sid 201 (AID: v35188.b105.s201, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) please on the translation note on behalf name Axelina.
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2016-04-11, 02:44
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On page 201, I guess you mean the words after her name, "(hennes före äktsk)" = hers /child/ before marriage. Note that there also turns up a (half?) brother to Axelina, Hjalmar Fredrik, also born before marriage, who join the family 1881 (the other three moved in 1875 from Garnisonsförsamlingen). The note say he was not earlier noted in the church records.


In the marriage record the note on her say "Fathers oral and written consent". The mentioned father is probably Bergendahl, and I don't think that it actually is a proof that he is her real father. On Mras it say "Proof of availability for marriage from Roman Catholic Parish in Göteborg", and on the row between the two other "Guarantie/Oath for availability from G. A. Dahlberg and J. Danza" which probably apply to Mras, but I am not sure. Nor am I sure about marriage age, but but it was lower in those days and 17 might have been the limit were no special permission was needed.

2016-04-11, 07:24
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Thank you very much for your explanation.
I still need help with an explanation Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling Ala: 1 (1811-1884) Bild 13 / sid 19 (AID: v34984.b13.s19, NAD: SE / GLA / 13183). I read that he divorced his first wife and second is doughter died in 1861. Then I do not know what those numbers represent dates prior to 24/1827 and 14/1831.

2016-04-11, 18:28
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Those numbers are the Attest number from when the persons arrived to Garnisionsförsamlingen, such as 25/1827 when Bergendahl arrived 1827, see Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling B:3 (1826-1850) Bild 14 / sid 10 (AID: v35040.b14.s10, NAD: SE/GLA/13183). The Attest itself might be preserved, in this case in Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling HII:18, unfortunately not photographed at ArkivDigital, at least not today, the last photographed volume is HII:17.


That they divorced might imply that Bergendahl actually is the father of Axelina, as a child out of wedlock is a reason for divorce, but that still has to be proven.

2016-04-11, 21:20
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Thank you very much for Your explanation.
To the comment about the divorce also includes a date 1861.
Divorce records probably are not digitized.

2016-04-12, 21:35
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I can not find a record of birth Fredrik Hjalmar Bergendahl (10.10.1851). When would be the same father why the divorce occurred in 1861?

2016-04-13, 01:39
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Well, there are a lot of questions there. In Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:12 (1873-1883) Bild 105 / sid 201 (AID: v35188.b105.s201, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) it say that Hjalmar Fredrik arrived 1881-08-10 and that he was "Not earlier registered in the church" and a note about a testimonial from 10/8 1881. That paper is found in Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling HIIa:149 (1881-1881) Bild 490 (AID: v204493.b490, NAD: SE/GLA/13180). It is a paper that testify that Hjalmar Fredrik Bergendahl on May 6 1867 was confirmed in Haga Church, and the paper is written by two of his confirmation comrades. Very unusual, and my guess is that there were really no records for Hjalmar Fredrik before 1881 and thus no birth record. Nor does it say that he really arrived 1881, he could have been with the family all the time, it was just that in 1881 he was registered. That he used Bergendahl as last name does not imply that he was the biological father.

2016-04-13, 02:49
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For Frederika Lovisa Teresia Wallström, do you know about these records:


Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:4 (1829-1883) Bild 194 / sid 374 (AID: v35180.b194.s374, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) (1836-1839)
Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:4 (1829-1883) Bild 121 / sid 230 (AID: v35180.b121.s230, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) (1843-1846)
Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:7 (1847-1883) Bild 288 / sid 566 (AID: v35183.b288.s566, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) (1849-1862), which confirms my initial interpretation that Axelina's birth record say that the mother is from Dkn, Domkyrkoförsamlingen.


How she moves between these records is not easily interpreted, and I have not tried so far.

2016-04-13, 12:49
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Very thank you for your explanation. Records for Fredrika Lovisa Terese Wahlström I did not know. Thank you for that. For the record Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling Ala: 7 (1847-1883) Bild 288 / sid 566 (AID: v35183.b288.s566, NAD: SE / GLA / 13180) (1849 to 1862) I do not know what it means note. I read the note F.G.J. 28/3 62. But 14.4. 1862 was a wedding.
For me it is an interesting time since the birth Axeliny 20. 9. 1860 to the wedding in 1862 14/4. Where was Fredrika Lovisa Terese Wahlström?


2016-04-13, 12:50
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Now I noticed that for recording the birth of Johann Oscar Bergendahl 28. 1. 1848 Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling CI: 14 (1829-1860) Image 179 / page 351, listed his mother Britta Christina and below is written now wife Lovisa Fredrika Bergendahl. The wedding, however, was up 14/4 1862.

2016-04-13, 16:46
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In many birth records you find "Faddrar" or "Vittnen", i.e. Godfathers/mothers or Christening witnesses, who also had the obligation to take care of the child if the parents should die or something. These are often neighbours or relatives and can give valuable information if the normal methods fail. In this case the last Godmother (is this the right term?) is Jungfru (maid) Lovisa Fredrika Bergendahl. This is not Fredrika Lovisa Teresia Wallström, and I am quite sure that you will find that it is Bergendahl's sister! Also note that probably Fredrika Lovisa Teresia Bergendahl never existed, wifes didn't take their husbands name at that time, as you see in Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:12 (1873-1883) Bild 105 / sid 201 (AID: v35188.b105.s201, NAD: SE/GLA/13180).

2016-04-13, 17:15
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Thank you very much for your explanation. Reading makes me trouble.

2016-04-13, 18:31
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The record Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:4 (1829-1883) Bild 194 / sid 374 (AID: v35180.b194.s374, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) (1836-1839) it is stated that served as a maid. In a later recording it is not mentioned but so she could continue to serve.

2016-04-14, 03:46
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Here is Frederica Lovisa Theresia's birth record: Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling CI:13 (1808-1828) Bild 175 / sid 327 (AID: v32704.b175.s327, NAD: SE/GLA/13183).


Fader Mönsterskrivaren (that is the one that writes the records of all military personel, equipment and exercises) Jacob Wallström, mother Brita Maria Liberg.


Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling HIIa:6 (1821-1822) Bild 261 / sid 1512 (AID: v204350.b261.s1512, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) number 1512 (lowest right page): Wallström is dead and the widow and her daughter moves from Garnisionsförsamlingen to Frölunda in Fässbergs församling on June 5 1821. This Attest is kept in Domkyrkoförsamlingen's archive as they in October 1822 moved there, which the lower part of the Attest say.


They must be somewhere in Västra Frölunda AI:4 (1821-1824), but are not easy to find, as there are no In- or Out-moving records.


Brita Maria Liberg must be the one that 1822 move to Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:1 (1818-1883) Bild 195 / sid 191 (AID: v35177.b195.s191, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) where she is married again. However Fredrika Lovisa Teresia is not noted there, but she moves from Domkyrkoförsamlingen to Tölö in 1835, Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling B:3 (1795-1836) Bild 139 / sid 267 (AID: v34161.b139.s267, NAD: SE/GLA/13180). And again, I can't find her in Tölö, but she returns 1836 to Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:4 (1829-1883) Bild 194 / sid 374 (AID: v35180.b194.s374, NAD: SE/GLA/13180).


1839 she moves to Mariestad, and again I can't find her there. She returns 1843 to Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:4 (1829-1883) Bild 121 / sid 230 (AID: v35180.b121.s230, NAD: SE/GLA/13180). Next move is 1846 to Ullervad, Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling B:4 (1837-1851) Bild 120 / sid 245 (AID: v34165.b120.s245, NAD: SE/GLA/13180) and Ullervad B:2 (1833-1850) Bild 30 / sid 53 (AID: v45206.b30.s53, NAD: SE/GLA/13599) and she moves to Eks Säteri, which is in Ek AI:2 (1840-1850) Bild 14 / sid 10 (AID: v45118.b14.s10, NAD: SE/GLA/13097). There she is actually twice, first from 1839 to 1842 and then from 1846 to 1847, when she move to Comministerbostället i Ekby, Ullervad B:2 (1833-1850) Bild 67 / sid 121 (AID: v45206.b67.s121, NAD: SE/GLA/13599), Ekby B:1 (1811-1850) Bild 51 / sid 93 (AID: v45167.b51.s93, NAD: SE/GLA/13098) and Ekby AI:12 (1844-1850) Bild 113 / sid 217 (AID: v45160.b113.s217, NAD: SE/GLA/13098). She is sometimes Mamsell, sometimes Demoiselle. 1849 in October she returns to Göteborg, Ekby B:1 (1811-1850) Bild 55 / sid 101 (AID: v45167.b55.s101, NAD: SE/GLA/13098) and Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIa:7 (1847-1883) Bild 288 / sid 566 (AID: v35183.b288.s566, NAD: SE/GLA/13180).


Have you noticed that when Axelina is baptized, J. F. Bergendahl is one of the witnesses.

2016-04-14, 12:07
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This is amazing. Thank you very much for finding records and explanation. I'll still be over records of research. I would therefore ask: Fredrika Lovisa Terese Wallström has noble origins?

2016-04-14, 17:46
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Probably not noble origins but not a simple farmers daughter either, Jungfru, Mamsell and Demoiselle suggest middle class, bourgeois. The same applies to her parents.

2016-04-14, 18:47
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Thank you.
In the recording weddings Johan Fr. Bergendahl and Fredrika Lovisa Teresa Wallström, Göteborgs Garnisonsförsamling EI:3 (1861-1878) Image 10 / page 6 (AID: v32707.b10.s6, NAD: SE/GLA/13183), cannot read the notes on the right side.

2016-04-15, 01:20
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"He divorced and received Kongl. Majts (the kings) gracious permission to marry F. L. T. Wallström, albeit he for her sake became divorced from his former wife". That is probably the proof that Bergendahl is actually the father to Axelina!


The record also say that her "Giftoman" (the person giving her permission to this marriage) is Lithografen C. Petersén.


Have you used the "Mantalslängd" (tax register) to check things? I took the one that is easy to find, Göteborgs mantalskontor FIaa:79 (1876-1876) Bild 2180 (AID: v280528.b2180, NAD: SE/GLA/12296). There you can see that the OWNER of Östra Haga 42 is Former Divisionstrumpetaren J. F. Bergendahl, born 1815. He lives there with his wife Fredrica, born 1818, and daughter Axelina, born 1860, and it says nothing but that she is their daughter. It is an apartment house with a lot of people renting apartments (two full pages), and I estimate that the value in todays currency should be of the order of 1 Million dollars (10 Million Kronor).


It is quite easy to follow the house backwards, I have not checked everything, but very interesting is that in Göteborgs mantalskontor FIaa:50 (1860-1860) Bild 1530 (AID: v280512.b1530, NAD: SE/GLA/12296), Östrs Haga 42 is owned in half by Mamsell Wallström (living there) and (on the page before) the other half owned by Bergendah (but he is not living there)l. Thus it was not Wallström going to Garnisionsförsamlingen to meet Bergendahl, it was Bergendahl going to Östra Haga.

2016-04-15, 08:04
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Thank you very much for new the records and explanation. I would like to ask:
The reason for the divorce J.F. Bergendahl with former wife was that received royal assent to the marriage with F.L.T. Wallström?

2016-04-15, 12:45
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It is also possible that  Kongl. Majts (the kings) gracious permission to marry F. L. T. Wallström was actually " kind " command.
F.L.T. Wallström also had a baby in 42 years of age. That's unusual.

2016-04-15, 16:39
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No, Bergendahl got royal permission to marry Wallström despite the fact that Wallström was the reason for the divorce. They had committed a crime.


Östra Haga 42 is the street address Husargatan 27, and you can find the place using "hitta.se". The house was probably built on the yard, not facing the street and it is probably a new house built on the place today.

2016-04-15, 17:16
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This royal permission was probably done with regard to the child. Then King Karel XV and so helped or did not help divisional trumpeter, Sergeant J. F. Bergendahl.
The question remains Axeliny brother, who was probably adopted and lived with his family at Ostra Haga 42 only in the 1871.

2016-04-16, 02:04
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No, I don't think the King did it for the child and adoption didn't exist at that time.


When someone died, an Inventory usually had to be made. The one for Bergendahl is found at Göteborgs Rådhusrätt och Magistrat före år 1900 EIIIa:122 (1884-1884) Bild 426 / sid 843 (AID: v67768.b426.s843, NAD: SE/GLA/12098). There is a list of at that time living children (heirs) and Hjalmar Fredrik and Angelina Gudiva are in fact the two that Bergendahl had with Wallström. And F. L. T. had in fact taken the name Bergendahl, a custom that started to be used at that time (in the cities) and became the rule during the 20th century. You also find his/their financial situation. His part of the house was worth 16000 kronor, the rest of their belongings 449 kronor, house mortgage 10000 kronor and some other debts, making the net residue slightly less than 6000 kr.


Fredrika's is found at Göteborgs Rådhusrätt och Magistrat före år 1900 EIIIa:140 (1900-1900) Bild 571 / sid 1121 (AID: v67786.b571.s1121, NAD: SE/GLA/12098).

2016-04-16, 08:29
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Thank you very much for records and explanation. For my distant relative doing professional genealogists pedigree. They report in the Chronicle that Axelina Gudiva Bergendahl was the stepdaughter Swedish King Gustav. I do not believe him, and I wanted to check it out, but if it is possible.

2016-04-16, 18:25
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Stepdaughter, meaning that a king Gustaf raised the child? Which king Gustaf, I don't think any king Gustaf lived at that time? I'm quite sure that FLT raised her children at Östra Haga 42, but she kept them not registered, as they were illegitimate and a married man was the father. What are the sources for that rumor?

2016-04-16, 19:00
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I know that Gustav V was not yet king.
What are the sources for this story, or rumor, I do not know. I know that genealogists are doing when someone pedigree, and then sometimes tries on a "cherry on the cake." Axelina Gudiva husband Joseph Mraz was the bandmaster at the Royal Military music and documents and information they are in the city museum in Gothenburg.
Museum curator Katharina Wänseth me earlier sent photos and a list of documents. In Gothenburg, I was not and I do not know what is there. The story is this: To Josef Mraz fell in love Axelina Gudiva. Josef ago Axelina fled to Germany. The king gave Joseph look, and he had to marry Axelina.

2016-04-16, 23:48
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Gustaf V was born 1858. So you say that he, Axelina and Josef had some kind of affair? Could be possible. I don't understand what you said above. The church records are probably not what you need.

2016-04-17, 07:22
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Yes you are right. Church records that's not what I need for the story.This, that Axelina fell in love with Joseph Mráz and King helped Axelina when he put Joseph in Germany find it can not find in the records.
But I am more interested in the pedigree, because Joseph Mráz was the brother of the father of my grandmother.
Thank you very much for your help. My subscription ends today evening, so I will do research next time.

2016-08-01, 17:00
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I can not fully rely on data from Göteborgs Rådhusrätt Magistrat och år molds EIII 1900: 122 (1884-1884) Bild 426 / sid 843 (AID: v67768.b426.s843, NAD: SE / GLA / 12098), for example, because there is missing one son Johan Oscar from first marriage, father JF Bergendahl. http://www.arkivdigital.se/aid/show/v32692.b179.s351

2016-08-02, 02:28
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Was Johan Oscar alive when JF died? If Johan Oscar was already dead he could not inherit, thus he was not listed in the inventory.


2016-08-03, 08:34
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Thank you for answer. I now do not have access to the registers. For Johan Oscar names in the lists of families is unnrifues do note, and I do not know exactly what it means.

 

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