Anderson's and Widen's

[Linda Mahoney]

I know who my ggrandparents were but I have not been able to find anything on their parents.
My ggrandparents were Robert Gustave Widen he supposedly was a draft dodger came to this country when he was about 18. He was born in 1862 in Orbero we think, died in Collinsville Ct. USA in 1911.  His wife was Louisa M. Widen she was born in Jan.1858 I think in Orebro.  She worked as a maid in New York city after first arriving, I believe Robert and she were cousins.  She died in 1933 Collinsville CT. USA.
Charles Andrew Anderson was my grandmother's father he was born in 1865 in Gotland? There is a story of their baby being sick and him rowing to the mainland for medicine but she had died by the time he got back.  Her name was Signe Anderson. He died in 1937 in Collinsville Ct. USA. His wife was Mathilda Anderson born 1863 in Gotland? It was told to me that they came to this country twice the first time and for some reason they returned to Sweden and returned to this country in 1888.  They landed in Portland CT USA, my grandmother was born there Elien(Ellen) Anderson.  They moved to Collinsville where my gggrandfather built a house dug the foundation by hand during his lunch break from the Collins Company. I believe they moved to Collinsville in 1900. If you could find any information on my relatives it would be so appreciated.

[Bo Nordenfors]

Gustaf Robert Persson Widén
 
from emigration records
 
 
 
 
Post 858075
 
Widén Persson, Gustaf Robert
Dräng= farmhand (unmarried man) dr
 
b. 6/6/1861 in Svennevad, Örebro län (Närke)
 
Emigrated 10/22/1880
from Gräve By, Gräve, Örebro län (Närke)
to Nordamerika
 
Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Örebro stadsarkiv.= further information can be asked from the city archive of Örebro.
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 47
 
Emibas migration file ID: Gräve T 1880 003
 
his birth record tells us father was Per Erik Andersson  and mother was Sofia Björklund at Svennevads torp at Svennevads bys ägor
source:  GID 100018.13.14700,  [Örebro]  _scb Örebro,  .62, Födde,Vigsel,Död, 1861-1861, 0-0,  Bild 147 av 474

[Bo Nordenfors]

Sorry for typo re. Gustaf Robert's  mother in my earlier posting: should read  Anna Sofia Björklund.
 
Clerical survey for Svennevad between 1861 and 1865, (AI:20A  pg 52, GID 2493.4.18400 ) lists Per Erik Andersson b. 10 September 1823 in Svennevad whereas his wife now is mentioned Anna Sofia Andersdotter b. 24 April 1838 in Svennevad. Appeas she is the same woman as Anna Sofia Björklund from book of births.
a sister of Gustaf Robert is also listed:  Sophia Matilda b. 1859 in Svennevad.

[Bo Nordenfors]

Found Maria Lovisa Widen emigrating twice - first time in 1883 as unmarried
 
Post 858094
 
Widén, Maria Lovisa
Dotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 1/15/1857 in Hovsta, Örebro län (Närke)
 
Emigrated 10/24/1883
from Gräve By, Gräve, Örebro län (Närke)
to Nordamerika
 
Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Örebro stadsarkiv.
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 47
 
Emibas migration file ID: Gräve T 1883 004
 
but in 1886 as married to Gustaf Robert:
 
 
 
Post 858097
 
Widén, Maria Lovisa
Hustru (married woman)
 
b. 1/15/1857 in Hovsta, Örebro län (Närke)
 
Emigrated 6/11/1886
from Gräve By, Gräve, Örebro län (Närke)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 50
 
Emibas migration file ID: Gräve T 1886 002
 
travelled together with
 
Post 858096
 
Widén, Gustaf Robert
Hemmansägare fd (married man)
 
b. 6/6/1861 in Svennevad, Örebro län (Närke)
 
Emigrated 6/11/1886
from Gräve By, Gräve, Örebro län (Närke)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 50
 
Emibas migration file ID: Gräve T 1886 001
 
and
 
Post 858098
 
Widén, Fredrik Robert
Son (unmarried man)
 
b. 9/13/1884 in Collinsville, USA
 
Emigrated 6/11/1886
from Gräve By, Gräve, Örebro län (Närke)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 50
 
Emibas migration file ID: Gräve T 1886 003
 
Un-normalized versions:
 
Foreign place of birth: Collinsvill
Country of birth: Norra Amerika
 
 
 
Maria Lovisa born 15 January 1857 in Hovsta, Örebro county to Anders Gustaf Widén, teacher, and his wife Anna Lovisa Jacobsdotter.
 
Source:   GID  2244.27.53000,  [Närke och Värmland, Örebro]  Hovsta,  C.4, Födde, 1780 - 1857, 0-0,  Bild 111 av 114

[Bo Nordenfors]

More about Maria Lovisa Widen's parents
 
 
Anders Gustaf Widén was born in Svennevad, Örebro county , on 29 September 1820
his wife Anna Lovisa Jacobsdotter was born in Gräve, Örebro county, on 9 July 1830.
Source:  GID 2244.33.38600,  [Närke och Värmland, Örebro]  Hovsta,  AI.13, Husförhör, 1856 - 1860, 173-0,  Bild 180 av 192

[Bo Nordenfors]

Anders Gustaf Widén and his family moved from Hovsta to Gräve parish in 1865,
source:  GID   2134.1.21200,  [Örebro, Närke och Värmland]  Gräve,  AI.14, Husförhör, 1861 - 1865, 33-0,  Bild 31 av 83.

[Bo Nordenfors]

Anders Gustaf Widén (Andersson) and Per Erik Andersson were brothers so your guess that Gustaf Robert and Maria Lovisa were cousins was correct.
The parens of Anders Gustaf and Per Erik were Anders Persson b. 1794 in Svennevad and Anna Cajsa Jonsdotter b. 1800 in Sköllersta, Örebro county.
Source:  GID (=Genline id nbr from the subscription service at www.genline.com)
2493.50.43600,  [Örebro]  Svennevad,  AI.12, Husförhör, 1821 - 1825, 19-0,  Bild 30 av 305

[Bo Nordenfors]

Maybe you can find a month and year of birth for Charles Andrew Anderson in Census 1900, Ct. I can´t find him so far,do you know Mathilda's maiden name?
Charles Andrew is in Swedish Karl Anders and that with surname Andersson is a very, very common name. Gotland is a province and a county as well, and not close enough to find him without a more exact DOB. Records were held in a parish.

[Mats Ahlgren]

Linda
Was Ellen born Nov 1888 and brother Charles/Carl E Sept 1893?

[Bo Nordenfors]

I have browsed all indivudual pages for (Collinsville) Canton CT (district 124 & 125)
 in 1900 Census, not found them, but they turn up in 1910  
 
1910 United States Federal Census 1910 United States Federal Census
Name:    Charles A Anderson
Age in 1910:    45
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1865
Birthplace:    Sweden
Relation to Head of House:    Head
Father's Birth Place:    Sweden
Mother's Birth Place:    Sweden
Spouse's Name:    Matilda
Home in 1910:    Canton, Hartford, Connecticut
Marital Status:    Married
Race:    White
Gender:    Male
Year of Immigration:    1888
Neighbors:    View others on page
Household Members:    
Name    Age
Charles A Anderson    45
Matilda Anderson    45
Ellen M Anderson    21 born abt 1888 Ct
Carl E G Anderson    16 born abt 1894 Ct
 
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Canton, Hartford, Connecticut;

[Bo Nordenfors]

This appears to be the family referred to by Mats Ahlgren.
Linda, what do you think?
 
 
1900 United States Federal Census 1900 United States Federal Census
Name:    Charles G Analerson
[Charles G Anderson]  
Home in 1900:    Avon, Hartford, Connecticut
Age:    6
Birth Date:    Sep 1893
Birthplace:    Connecticut
Race:    White
Ethnicity:    American
Gender:    Male
Relationship to Head of House:    Son
Father's Name:    John
Father's Birthplace:    Sweden
Mother's Name:    Matilda
Mother's Birthplace:    Sweden
Marital Status:    Single
Residence :    Avon Township, Hartford, Connecticut
Occupation:    View on Image
Household Members:    
Name    Age
John Analerson    36  b. April(??) 1864  Sweden  according to original manifest (indexed however as April 1869)  immigration 1888
Matilda Analerson    36  b. July 1863  Sweden  immigration 1888
Hellen Analerson    11 b. Nov. 1888 Connecticut
Charles G Analerson    6   b. Sept. 1893 Connecticut
 
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Avon, Hartford, Connecticut; Roll  T6

[Bo Nordenfors]

this couple maybe fits in (from emigration records - the EMIBAS CD)I have not yet found a d. Signe,
and you say Gotland and I say Östergötland --
 
Post 142400
 
Andersson, Karl August
Arbetare (married man)
 
b. 4/28/1864 in Risinge, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
 
Emigrated 2/24/1888
from Västra Torp Mellanhagen, Vånga, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 271
 
Emibas migration file ID: Vånga E 1888 005
 
Post 142401
 
Andersdotter, Thilda
Hustru (married woman)
 
b. 7/5/1863 in Vånga, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
 
Emigrated 2/24/1888
from Västra Torp Mellanhagen, Vånga, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 271
 
Emibas migration file ID: Vånga E 1888 006
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av rannug 2009-10-26 17:10)

[Bo Nordenfors]

From Emigranten CD
 
Efternamn:   ANDERSON
Förnamn:  first name   KARL AUGUST
Ålder:   age    24            Kön: M
Född:born 1863/1864
Församling: parish:  WÅNGA    Län: county: E (Östergötland)
Titel/Anm:    
Utresehamn:  GÖTEBORG  port of emigration
Utvandrdag:  1888 03 09   date of emigration
Destination: PORTLAND
Medåkande:   NEJ= no more travelling on this ticket (maybe incorrect)
Källkod:     34:211:1125

[Bo Nordenfors]

Marriage for this couple took place in Risinge, Östergötland county, Sept. 26, 1885.  Source:  GID  100005.87.47500,  [Östergötland]  _scb Östergötlands,  .826, Födde,Vigsel,Död, 1885-1885, 0-0,  Bild 475 av 645    
Still no Signe.

[Linda Mahoney]

I think the family in Collinsvile is the right family.  I was probably wrong and it is Ostergotland.  I find it strange that nothing shows up in Portland before 1900. I am assuming that the story about Signe is true but you know how things change through the years.
I am going to the cemetary after work to look up Charles birth date.
Linda

[Mats Ahlgren]

Some more information. Census 1900 have 1889 as wedding year for the persons found in census. In census 1910 is it said that they have 25 yers of marriage, giving approx 1885 as marriage year.
 
Census 1910 has a question about number of children born and still living. On Mathilda it say 3 born and 2 living.

[Linda Mahoney]

Mathilda lost a child in Sweden Signe.
Charles birth year is 1863 can't find month or day.
Linda

[Bo Nordenfors]

No child born to her in Risinge after marriage, have not checked Vånga.

[Mats Ahlgren]

Linda
Can you verify the birth of Ellen and her brother, to see if the above mentioned family from census 1900 and 1910 can be correct

[Bo Nordenfors]

Signe Matilda born 11 May 1884 in Risinge to Thilda Andersdotter and Karl August Andersson. Thilda then worekd as maid at the farm Översätter whereas Karl August worked as farmhand at another farm.
Source:  GID  100005.83.56000,  [Östergötland]  _scb Östergötlands,  .796, Födde,Vigsel,Död, 1884-1884, 0-0,  Bild 200 av 247    
 
will try to find her death record as well.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av rannug 2009-10-27 09:28)

[Bo Nordenfors]

Signe Matilda died on 4 April 1885 in Risinge.
 
Source:   100005.88.7600,  [Östergötland]  _scb Östergötlands,  .826, Födde,Vigsel,Död, 1885-1885, 0-0,  Bild 76 av 261

[Bo Nordenfors]

Thilda and Karl August both worked  at the farm Översätter in Risinge - as maid and farmhand.They came 1881 and  Karl August left before 1884 - to another farm. Perhaps Thilda  left and came back before Signe's birth, as far I can find.
Source:  GID 238.64.36600,  [Östergötland]  Risinge,  AI.20 B, Husförhör, 1881 - 1885, 632-0,  Bild 235 av 383
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av rannug 2009-10-27 09:26)
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av rannug 2009-10-27 09:31)

[Bo Nordenfors]

The farm/village of Översätter is just outside Finspång and not far from Norrköping.
 
 Longitude: N 58º 42.225'  
 
 Latitude: E 015º 43.404'

[Linda Mahoney]

My grandmother Ellen was born in Nov. 1888 and her brother Carl was born in Sept. 1893. I didn't know his real name was Charles.
Linda

[Bo Nordenfors]

What about my findings re. Signe? Appears I found correct family.

[Linda Mahoney]

Yes I would say this is the correct family.
Linda

[Bo Nordenfors]

More on Carl August Andersson.
 
Born 28 April 1864 in Risinge,Östergötland county; baptism 2 May.
Was born out of wedlock to widow Anna Stina Hansdotter, father not mentioned.  (Risinge C:5)
 
Anna Stina Hansdotter b. 25 Dec. 1823 in Risinge, she married Anders Peter Bengtsson on 30 Dec. 1847. Anders Peter was born in Risinge on 4 March 1818.
He died 15 April 1862, in Risinge. (Risinge C:5)
 
Children as far I have found them: (all born in Risinge)
 
Christina Lotta (Charlotta) b. 9 Dec. 1849; (Risinge C:4 - I checked to book of births re her, as it was somewhere in the clerical survey written Anna Lotta)
Johanna b. 13 June 1854;
Emilie Carolina b. 10 Dec. 1856;
Nils Peter b. 27 Jan. 1859
Anders August b. 1 Auguist 1862, died in February 1863.
(Risinge A:15B, AI:16B pg 9)
Carl August b. 28 April 1864 out of wedlock.

[Linda Mahoney]

Can you go farther back into the history of these families or is it to time consuming?
Linda

[Bo Nordenfors]

Give me a couple of days.
 
//Bo

[Linda Mahoney]

Thanks
I use Ancestry.com and some of their information just doesn't seem right.
Linda

[Bo Nordenfors]

Swedish church records are at Genline.com and www.svar.ra.se (both subscription)  
---I have them both. It is not difficult to research, but time-consuming.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av rannug 2009-10-31 16:11)

[Linda Mahoney]

I have been using ancestry.com and I can't believe how many children died at such a young age.  I have English ancestors and it is prevalant but in sweden it seems much worse.  Just an observation.
Linda

[Ingela Martenius]

Infant mortality varied a lot, depending on time and location. Death rates were very much higher in cities like Stockholm and Göteborg and lower in country parishes - and were much lower in some country parishes. Infant death rates are e.g. lower in Örby than in Sätila, and yet they are neigbouring parishes in Älvsborg county.
 
I suspect it was much the same in England: infant death rates in e.g. London, Liverpool and Manchester were probably much, much higher than in well-to-do villages and small towns in the Midlands or on the south coast.
 
But generally speaking, yes, Sweden probably had a higher infant mortality because Sweden was a very poor country while England was the world's richest country in th 18th and 19th centuries. In which connection it is also interesting to note that already in 1723 more than 90% of the Swedish population could read while in England in 1750 only 60% knew how to read.
 
Ingela

[Linda Mahoney]

Thanks very interesting.
Linda