Norden, Israel & Öberg (?) Kristina - Emigr Scotl ?

[Pip Steele]

Hello from New Zealand
 
I'm trying to find my ancestors who immigrated from Sweden to Glasgow Scotland.
 
1.   Israel Nörden [born circa 1847]
 
His parents were
       1.     Neilson Nörden  [a farmer] and
       2.     Kristina Öber  
 
I assume that Israel emigrated to Scotland about circa 1860s  and that his parents stayed in Sweden.
 
I have no idea where to start as I do not know which parish nayone was born. If you can help point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful.

[Chris Bingefors]

Have you tried to get the actual certificates of birth, marriage and death from Scotlandspeople.gov.uk? There may be additional information there that can help in finding him

[Carl Szabad]

The names you mentiones do not sound Swedish. The name Nordén (not Nörden or Norden) is rare, but exists as a family name worn by 175 swedes in 1890. Öber (or Ober) does not exist at all. Maybe Öberg, with is a more common name.
 
Neilson might be Nils, which is a common Swedish given name.

[Chris Bingefors]

Ober could also be Åberg, a relatively common name

[Lasse Waldemarsson]

Could be this person
From C:3 born in Bjärtrå  Västernorrlands län
1846-09-19
Israel
Father, Nils Nordin  
Mother, Ingri Stina Öberg (also called Christina)
Married for 12 years
 
Lasse
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Lassew 2009-06-24 00:40)

[Lasse Waldemarsson]

Name:  Israel Nordin  
Date of birth:  1846  
Parish of birth:  Bjärtrå  
Residence (parish):  Bjärtrå  
Salary:  25  
Occupation:  Lättmatros  
Date and place of sign on:  18650602  
 
Ship:    
Name:  Ursa Minor (Skonert)  
Destination:  L?beck  
Weight (nyläster):  21,59  
Captain:  E.P. Ahlqvist  
Seaman's house:  Härnösands sjömanshus  
Volume:  DIa: 3  
 
Lasse

[Carl Szabad]

Good job, Lasse!
 
And as Israel was born in Bjärtrå there may be good possibilities to find his ancestors back to the 16th century. Here come the first three generations. The research is made by Britta Ulander.
 
         1 Israel Nordin, born 19 Sept 1846 in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå.
           
 
                     *** Generation I ***
 
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         2 Nils Nordin, born 7 Sept 1802 in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå,
           dead 18 July 1864 in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå. Bonde (farmer) in Lockne 3,
           Bjärtrå.
           
           Married 7 Oct 1825 in Bjärtrå to  
 
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         3 Sigrid Stina Öberg, born 24 Jan 1804 in Köja 2, Bjärtrå,
           dead 30 Nov 1884 in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå.
           
 
                     *** Generation II ***
 
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         4 Nils Nordin, born 27 Dec 1763 in Nässom 6, Bjärtrå,
           dead 20 July 1809 in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå. Bonde (farmer) och skeppare (skipper)
           in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå.
           
           Married 10 April 1796 in Bjärtrå to  
 
           fm
         5 Märta Christiansdotter, born 4 Feb 1771 in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå,
           dead 1819? in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå.
           
 
           mf
         6 Hans Öberg, born 18 Oct 1751 in Köja 2, Bjärtrå,
           dead 26 May 1833 in Köja 2, Bjärtrå. Bonde 1789 - 1829, Skeppare (skipper)
           in Köja 2, Bjärtrå.
           
           Married 2 Nov 1794 in Bjärtrå to  
 
           mm
         7 Catharina Persdotter Stattin, born 26 Oct 1772
           in Kungsgården 3:1, Bjärtrå, dead 9 Oct 1841 in Köja, Bjärtrå.
           
 
                     *** Generation III ***
 
           fff
         8 Mårten Nilsson Nordin, born 1 Feb 1737 in Bålsjö, Bjärtrå,
           dead 12 April 1789 in Nässom 6, Bjärtrå. Bonde (farmer) 1757 - in Nässom 6,
           Bjärtrå.
           
           Married 6 Nov 1757 in Bjärtrå to  
 
           ffm
         9 Catrina Olofsdotter Kiönberg, born 3 April 1729 in Kungsgården 5,
           Bjärtrå, dead 1790 ca in Nässom 6, Bjärtrå.
           
 
           fmf
        10 Christian Nilsson, born 7 Sept 1729 in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå,
           dead 24 Jan 1795 in Lockne 3, Bjärtrå. Bonde in Lockne 3,
           Bjärtrå.
           
           Married 1769 in Bjärtrå to  
 
           fmm
        11 Segrid Larsdotter, born 1732?, dead 7 July 1812 in Lockne 3,
           Bjärtrå.
           
 
           mff
        12 Johan Danielsson, born (baptized 29 Dec 1728) in Binböle,
           Nordingrå, dead 20 Nov 1763 in Död i tjänsten.
           Ord. kronobåtsman (military title) 14:e roten in Köja 2, Bjärtrå.
           
           Married 1749 in Bjärtrå to  
 
           mfm
        13 Sigrid Hansdotter, born 25 Sept 1724 in Köja 2, Bjärtrå,
           dead 23 Aug 1794 in Köja 2, Bjärtrå. Resident in Bjärtrå.
           
 
           mmf
        14 Petrus Israelsson Stattin, born 17 July 1745 in Kungsgården 3:1,
           Bjärtrå, dead 16 June 1799 in Kungsgården 3:1, Bjärtrå.
           Bonde 1790-1799, Gästgivare in Kungsgården 3:1, Bjärtrå.
           
           Married 1772 in Bjärtrå to  
 
           mmm
        15 Christina Månsdotter, born 13 Feb 1744 in Mäland 2, Bjärtrå,
           dead 24 Nov 1821 in Kungsgården 3, Bjärtrå. Bonde 1800-1808.
 
As all the the ancestors so far came från Bjärtrå you should keep on the discussion under Landskap > Ångermanland > Socknar > Bjärtrå.
 
The Swedish letters å, ä and ö are pronounced like å = all, ä = air and ö = bird.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av carl 2009-06-24 08:26)

[Sven-Ove Brattström]

The occupation Lättmatros = Ordinary seaman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinary_Seaman_(occupation)

[Lasse Waldemarsson]

Hi
Israels father Nils dies, as Carls says in 1864.
In the household examination AI:8 1861-70 page 173 there is a small note, “sjö 64 22/9-65 10/5, could mean “at sea” between 1864 and 1865.
The last note of Israel taking part of the household examination is for 1865.
There are some notes for his mother and brother taking part of the examination as late as 1870.
Then he and the rest of the family just vanish.
I can't find them anywhere.
Chris, you seem to know your way around how to find people in Great Britain,  
 Is there any way to find out if this is the correct Israel?
 
Lasse

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