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[Todd Mason]

I found her phone number and made contact. If I may, I'd like to contact you later about farms in the Sodre Finsskoga area. We plan to visit in July.
 
Thanks and regards
Todd Mason.

[Rolf Jerpseth]

You are welcome to contact me. In the meantime you can perhaps read what Ulla-Carin Bäckman has written 6/10 2010:
Hej Antoinette!  
 
På gården Falltorp i Södra Finnskoga bodde bröderna Olof och Carl Mattsson Lehmoinen med familjer enl.husfl. Al:2 s.90 (1751-1756).  
 
1. Olof Mattsson f.1699  
Lisbet Sigfridsdotter f. 1722  
 
Carl f.1742  
Olof f. 1751  
Marta f. 1739  
Karin f. 1746  
Ingeborg f.1748  
Elsa f.1735 (död)  
 
2. Carl Mattsson f.1701  
Annika Nilsdotter f.1712  
Olof f.1733  
Marta f. 1735 (Norge)  
Carl f.1742  
Nils f.1745  
Henrik f.1748 (i Norge)  
 
Something for yuu?

[Todd Mason]

Thank you for your offer of help. Carl Mattsson above looks right to be my ggggg grandfather. Audrey said we flipped surnames for the last four generations in Europe -- Mattsson to Carlsson to Mattsson to Carlsson. No Oloffsons.  What does the (Norge) note mean after Henrik and Marta? They moved to Norway? I realize they lived within miles of the border.
 
Thanks and regards
Todd Mason

[Rolf Jerpseth]

Todd,
First about the names. At that time people usually didn't use a family name. F.i. Carl Mattsson's children were named Carls-son or Carls-daughter. Matts's children Mattsson/Mattsdaughter, often written Mattsdtr or Mattsdr. If this is your family, we have common ancestors. The (Norge) note means Born in Norway. Falltorp/Fallet in Søndre Finnskoga was in Norway untill 1752 when it was a survey of boundaries. Then Falltorp got to Sweden.
Carl Mattson Lehmoinen (Finnish) in Fallet married Annika Nilsdtr. Havuinen (also Finnish) 1731.12.28. Their children: Olof c.1733, Matts c.1735, Call c.1741, Nils c. 1747, Henrik c. 1747, Maria c.1752. A son of Carl, I belive, buildt a new Falltorp at the Norwegian side. So we have Falltorp in both countries.
Do you know who was your ancestor?

[Todd Mason]

Names are confusing here also. What I know from my own work is that my great grandfather sailed to America in 1852 from what is now Oslo with his parents, two brothers and two sisters. His father appears on the ship's record as Mattes Charlsen Juberget. I found Juberget in a list of historical place names in Sodra Finnskoga. My great grandfather called himself Halvor Mathison Holte in Wisconsin. His son Carl Mathison Holte (my maternal grandfather) changed his name to Charles Mattson. I can't find Holt as a place name in Sodra Finnskoga but apparently there are four Holt farms in Hedmark, Norway: in Stange, Vinger, Norde Odelen and Grue parishes.
 
Sodra Finnskoga fits US census records. Halvor described himself as Swedish. The Finnish origin fits Audrey's work and my mother's stories about her family. Audrey and I are third cousins two ways. Her gggrandfather was Carl Mathison in the ship's record, an older brother of Halvor, later to become Carl Mattison in Wisconsin. Then Carl and Halvor married sisters in the US.

[Rolf Jerpseth]

I find on the on the passenger list for Brig Incognito which sailed from Christiania July 6th to NY Sept 12th 1842 Halvor Mathiasen 13 years. Your great grandfather?

[Todd Mason]

That's him, although the date was 1852. The Ole Bull colony quickly failed, as I am sure you know, and the family moved west to Trempealeau County Wisconsin. It is hilly country with farms set in narrow valleys called coulees by homesteaders. Halvor farmed in the Trump coulee and raised 12 children. In Google satellite maps, Trump Coulee Rd, Blair Wisconsin will show the countryside. They lived the first winter in a dugout, or a hole dug into the side of the hill and timbered on the inside. Halvor's son, Charles Mattson, farmed in the Ellingson coulee and raised 12 children, of which my mother, Emma, was number 11. (Google Ellingson Coulee Northfield Wis.) Audrey tells me Carl had 16 children. Land was free for the asking in 1850s Wisconsin but you had to raise your own labor.

[Rolf Jerpseth]

I have written a little about my ancestors in reply to Antoinette Herron, Ireland Oct. 31 2010. She has ancestors from Fall. Perhaps you can read some of it back to Matti Lehmoinen c1570 in Finland.
 
Min tilknytning til Lehmoinenslekten er via min morfar. Her er i korte trekk min anerekke: Rolf f.1930, Anna Ryen 1898-1988 (min mor) født på Grue Finnskog, Lars Jakobsen Ryen 1856-, Jakob Halvorsen 1830- Leikåsen G.F: , Halvor Carlsen 1806- (født i Östmark), Carl Halvorsen Revholtet på Grue Finnskog 1777-, Halvor Thommesen f. 1734 i Dulpetorpet Hof Finnskog, Thommes Henriksen f. 1695 Mosegren i Grue, Henrich Olofsson ca. 1680-1740 g.m. Eli Pedersdotter, Olof Mattsson ca. 1600 g.m. Karen Mattsdotter (med i Finnemanntall i Norge 1687), kom via Sverige til Norge, Matti Lehmoinen f. ca 1570 i Laukka Savolaks.  
Savolaks er i Rautalampi Norra Savolax i Midt-Finland, mange emigrerte derfra til Sverige og Norge.

[Todd Mason]

translate.google.com worked well once I figured out that you are writing in Norwegian rather than Swedish. I hope we find tolerant  Scandanavians when we visit in July.

[Todd Mason]

By the way, Audrey Amundson lives in the Fall coulee in Hixton Wisconsin, which got its name from the many people who emigrated there from Fall, Norway. Fall Coulee Rd Hixton Wis at map.google.com.

[Ulla-Carin Bäckman]

Hello Todd,
 
I have got some information about your family in Södra Finnskoga. The family above from Falltorp can\t be the right one. Carl Mattsons father Mats Carlsson was born in Juberget,Järpliden in 1807 on the yard named Holta(hfl.SF Al:5 s.69.) He was of an forrestfinn family with the name Honkainen and he emigrated to Amerika in 1852 ( hfl.Dalby Al:14 s.143).
 
Matts Carlsson born in Juberget,Järpliden in 1807 9/12 (C:3 s.176)
Helena Henriksdotter born in Norway 1806
Their Children were  Matts,Carl,Halvor,Aase,Martea
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 Matts Carlssons parents:
 
Carl Mattsson born in Juberget,Järpliden in 1762. He died in 1851 7/3.
Marit Månsdotter born in Djäkneliden Södra Finnskoga in 1771.
Their Children were  Marit 1792, Carl 1804, Matts 1807, Elin 1810
 
Carl Mattsons parents:
 
Matts Carlsson born in Juberget,Järpliden 1704 (hfl.Al:5 s.206.)
Marit Jonsdotter born in 1720    They got married in 1740 29/6
 
 It seems as if yuour ancestors lived on the yard Holte in Järpliden Södra Finnskoga in many generations and that the name of the yard still is left in the names of your relatives in USA.
 
Ulla-Carin Bäckman

[Rolf Jerpseth]

The name Fall coulee is very interesting, Todd. Now Ulla-Carin has cleared up. But I will comment on the name Honkainen. Jan Myhrvold has an article at www.fennia.nu, Honkainen, Kanainen og Lehmoinen, hvem er hvem i Järpliden ? - who is who in Järpliden-?. He writes that Carl Carlsson dead 1753 with absolute certainty (definitivt) wasn't a Honkainen, but a Lehmoinen. I wonder if there is a connection to Matts Carlsson's parents?

[Todd Mason]

Thank you very much. You have solved a family mystery.

[Todd Mason]

Thanks for the link, Rolf. The forest finns answer another mystery. Wisconsin was America's western frontier in the 1850s so it isn't surprising that emigrants went there. But Trempealeau and Jackson counties are rugged and heavily forested. I wondered why farmers would choose there. The site of Ole Bull's colony in Pennsylvania is also in deep forest. (Ole Bull State Park Stewardson Pa at map.google.com.) Obviously both suited the descendants of forest finns. My mother's maternal grandfather emigrated from Asnes Parish Norway.

[Rolf Jerpseth]

Do you know the name of your mother's maternal grandfather and when born? If so I will seek in Aasnes.

[Ulla-Carin Bäckman]

Ofcourse there can be a Connection between Matts Carlsson born in Järpliden in 1704 and Carl Carlsson Lehmoinen who died in 1753 but we don´t know that. In the churchbooks Dalby Al:14 s.143 you can see that Gottlund(a finnish theology student) has written their finnish familyname Honkainen and that they were living on the yard named Holta in Järpliden.

[Todd Mason]

In the US, my great grandfather was Bernt B. Johnson (1850/51-1932). I don't much about him at this point other than his obituary and census records. According to his obituary, he was born June 11, 1850 in Aasnes Parish. It itentifies his parents as Bernt Johnson Smalberget and Anna Marie Engebretsen, and says the family emigrated in 1865. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wisobits/name/jo_johnsoniver.h tml#JohnsonBerntB The census says he was born in 1851 and emigrated in 1866.  There was an adult Bernt Johansen on the bark Emerald landing that year in Quebec. In the obit site above, Solar Norway comes up again and again as a birth place.

[Rolf Jerpseth]

Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Hof, Ministerialbok nr. 7 (1841-1848), Fødte og døpte 1848, side 84.  
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?
idx_kildeid=9163&idx_id=9163&uid=ny&idx_side=88
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070603290445.jpg
 
Here we have as no. 91 a Bernt Johnsen b. 2/3 1848
 
This is census 1865:
001 01 John Olsen 40 Vaalers Prgj. Husfader g Husmand med Jord  
002 01 Karen Olsdatter 37 Vaalers Prgj. hans Kone g    
003 01 Bernt Johnsen 18 Vaalers Prgj. deres Søn ug han, som Faderen ere Tømmerhugger  
004 01 Mina Johnsdatter 13 Vaalers Prgj. deres Datter ug    
005 01 Oline Johnsdatter 8 Vaalers Prgj. deres Datter ug  
 
Bernt is said to be 18 years.

[Todd Mason]

I found a much better match in US records. Bernt Johnson Smalberget b in Norway abt 1823, and his wife Maria, b in Norway abt 1827, were living with their daughter Anna in Trempealeau County in 1905. I have them on the ship Manila in 1866, ages 43 and 40. Bernt Berntsen Smalberget was listed as age 13. Anna was listed as age 12 on the ship. Bernt Johnson's obituary mentions a brother John. In the ship records, John Berntsen Smalberget is listed as age 19. Bernt Smalberget's obituary lists surviving sons Bernt Johnson and John Benson. Census records show Benson was born in Norway in 1847, which would make him 19 in 1866. Bernt Johnson Smalberget's obituary said he was born in Vaaler, Solar, Norway.

[Rolf Jerpseth]

I agree that your Bernt is a fit person but i didn't find him in Church books from Soloer.

[Rolf Jerpseth]

Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Elverum, Ministerialbok nr. 9 (1843-1856), Fødte og døpte 1847, side 30.  
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8894&idx_id=8894&uid=ny&idx_si de=33
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070126310513.jpg
 
Here is Martha as no. 75

[Bjørn Olav Åsvold]

Bernt Johnson Smalberget was born on 7 Apr 1823 in Juberget near Järpliden in Södra Finnskoga. His name is spelt Bengt Johansson in the Swedish church records. His parents were Johan Johansson and Brita Larsdotter. The family lived in Juberget, which is close to the Norwegian border, and it appears that thay for some time also lived on the Norwegian side of the border. In 1841, Bernt moved to Gravberget in Våler parish (The church records for Hof cover Våler, Åsnes and Hof parishes at that time). On 11 July 1847 he married Anne Marie Ingebrigtsdatter Gravberget, born around 1826 and daughter of Ingebrigt Olsen. Bernt and Anne Marie lived in Smalberget near Gravberget. In the 1865 census, their place is called Bentrud. Their children: John born 11 May 1847, Bernt born 11 June 1850, Anne born 11 June 1853, Edvard born 22 March 1856, Arne born 6 Sept 1858, Berthe Marie born 23 Feb 1861 and Pernille born 11 Oct 1864. The family left for America in April 1866.

[Bjørn Olav Åsvold]

The church records for Våler parish begin in 1849, so you will find Bernt (born 1850) there.

[Todd Mason]

Again, thank you. And, again, if you're looking for relatives in America I am happy to help.

[Rolf Jerpseth]

Many thanks Todd. Though I have eminent help from relatives in the US such as Libby Saxby in San Diego on my mothers side. A Jerpseth family on my fathers side also lives there.

[Bjørn Olav Åsvold]

More about Bernt Johnsen Smalberget's family:  
 
His father Johan Johansson was born in Juberget (Norwegian side, Åsnes parish) in 1774. His parents were farmers in Juberget, Johan Torgersen (born around 1746 at Ransby in Dalby, Sweden, died in Juberget 6 April 1822) and Berte Syversdatter (born 1745 in Gravberget, Våler parish, died in Juberget 7 May 1827).  
 
Johan Torgersen was son of Torger Fransson (soldier, born around 1716, died 7 Oct 1760 at Ransby) and Ingeborg Johansdotter (born around 1712, died 3 April 1762 at Ransby, was of Finnish ancestry, lived in Osen in Trysil (Norway) before she and Torger moved to Sweden).  
 
Berte Syversdatter was daughter of farmers in Gravberget, Syver Mortensen (born 1713, died 16 Jan 1786, son of Morten Andersen Gravberget, of Finnish ancestry) and Sigri Olsdatter (died 1 July 1774 in Gravberget).
 
Bernt Johnson Smalberget's mother Brita Larsdotter was born at Backa in Dalby, Sweden, 4 Oct 1786. She was daughter of Lars Olsson (born around 1751 in Dalarna, Sweden, was a soldier and died during war in Finland 7 June 1790) and Kerstin Halvardsdotter (born at Hjellstad in Dalby 22 March 1754, died at Hjellstad 16 Feb 1804, daughter of Halvard Larsson and Marit Nilsdotter).
 
Johan Johansson and Brita Larsdotter married in Dalby in 1809. They settled in Juberget near Järpliden, which was on the Swedish side of the border, but close to the farm where Johan was born. They were very poor (utfattig) according to one of the church records. Johan died some time between 1826 and 1836. Brita lived in Juberget or Järpliden until 1867. She then moved to Medskogen in Södra Finnskoga, where she died on 5 April 1872.  
 
Apart from Bernt Johnson Smalberget, Johan and Brita had the following children:
1. Johan, born 1809, died as a child.
2. Syver Johansen Borveggtangen, born 1811, moved to Trysil in Norway, where he and his wife lived at Borveggtangen near Lutnes. Syver had no children. He died on 16 Dec 1879.
3. Johan Johansson, born 1815. From 1850 onwards, he had many children with Marta Persdotter in Storberget, Norra Finnskoga while he was working on a farm in Skjærberget, Trysil. He and Marta eventually married in 1866. Johan and Marta then lived in Storberget. Johan died 11 March 1896, Marta died 30 April 1902. Many descendants.
4. Karin, born 1819, died 1826.
5. Johanni (Johanna), born 1826. She moved to Åsnes parish in 1846/47.

[Todd Mason]

A few final questions. Berget translates as mountain in Swedish and rock in Norwegian. Is that what the parish records mean, that my relatives lived on Smal mountain?  Or did the records mean settlements or farms named after the mountain?
 
Also, while Google maps can find Jarpliden, there's nothing there except farms. Is it a government unit? In America, for example, my relatives lived in Preston Township, Trempealeau County, but Preston didn't exist physically except as a collection of farm families that elected officials to take of the roads.
 
Ms. Backman described Holta as a yard. Is that a farm, or a collection of houses for farm workers?
 
And finally, will I be able to find the graves of my great, great grandparents, Carl Mattsson and wife Marit, and Johan Johansson and wife  Brita? The South Finnskoga Church is old enough but it seems too far away from Jarpliden.

[Ulla-Carin Bäckman]

Holta was the name of their homestead in Juberget,Järpliden. The South Finnskoga Church is not so far away from Järpliden but I don\t think that the graves of your ancestors still are left on the churchyard. Carl Mattson for example died in 1851 and Johan some time between 1826 and 1836.I think that it is too long time ago since then. My grate grandfather and grandmother lived in South Finnskoga and died in 1910 and 1924 and their graves are not left.
 
Järpliden is an area in South Finnskoga situated in the north of the province of Värmland which consist of vast areas of woodland. There are only a few houses and not so many farms any longer.

[Ulla-Carin Bäckman]

Järpliden is a village in South Finnskoga parish in Torsby municipality(township). There are about 30 inhabitants (Wikipedia). Hundred years ago Järpliden was one of the biggest villages in the North of Värmland. The Honkainen Family were one of the first or maybe the first settlers in Järpliden.

[Todd Mason]

I misled you, Rolf. Audrey tells me Fall Coulee was named after Folldal Norway. She said settlers named the valley Folldalen after their former home. The name was later shortened to Fall. Sorry.