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Författare Ämne: Corporal Johan Voltenveber  (läst 205 gånger)

2020-07-01, 00:02
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Back in 2015 I obtained some basic information on Johan and with access to AD now, I would like to find him in the military records but need help on where to look.


Background: He is mentioned in the birth of his daughter Sara Stina as Corporal Voltenveber on 7 Feb 1782 in Norra Vi. The records says the parents are from Karlskrona. Corporal John Vulsräder is the father of Sara Stina Johansdotter in 1806 at her wedding in Västra-Eneby. There is a cryptic note on Geni.com "Voltenveber kommer från någon plats i Belgien som inte ännu kunnat utredas Korpral Voltenveber tjänstgjorde vid flottan i Karlskrona och var stamanställd källa"


Since he is a Corporal, I would expect him to be in the land forces but all that I see in Karlskrona are naval forces. And, they do not have Corporals.


Any ideas on which documents I should search?

2020-07-01, 18:42
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He might have been from Karlskrona, but now he was in Östergötland and he still was when Sara Stina married in 1806. Or at least his wife was, Maja Persdotter in Slyckelund. It appears she remarried in 1794, with a Gabriel Nilsson.

Johan was probably never in the navy, he was a corpral somewhere in Östergötland. And only for a short time, maybe too short to be in the military records, there are some considerable gaps in the records. If you served only for a few years you might be between books. 

There is a lot of stuff around Johan that needs to be cleared out. First of all, his name. Voltenveber och Vulsväder? Or something similar, in a foreign language. Along with Maja Persdotter is a son Johannes, born in Kisa 1790. Is he from Voltenveber or Gabriel Nilsson?

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0019180_00149#?c=&m=&s=&cv=148&xywh=-841%2C1002%2C5266%2C2479

About Belgium, I would like some better source than that Geni note. There is to much strange around Voltenveber written there, you should probably ignore that stuff altogether. Like Sara Stina born in Österbymo? She clearly isn't, she was born in Norra Vi. And it's stated that she got her last name from her husband, but she got it from her father. And her real last name wasn't even Voltenveber, it was Johansdotter.

Here I found the marriage between Gabriel Nilsson and the widow Maja Persdotter in 1794:

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0016354_00259#?c=&m=&s=&cv=258&xywh=2392%2C2970%2C4102%2C2233

She was living in Kjölaforsstugan, and did so since at least 1788. So Voltenveber must have died between 1782 when his daughter was born and 1788 when his wife was a widow.

2020-07-01, 19:51
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Thanks. That's very helpful. Landskrona stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/LLA/13241/C I/5 (1769-1790), bildid: C0066929_00208, sida 198 shows the marriage of Johan Peter Wahlgern and Maria Pehrsdotter. There is a daughter Johanna Johansdotter in 1778 based on Västra Eneby kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/VALA/00445/A I/4 (1816-1820), bildid: C0019182_00123, sida 114. So maybe Johan Wahlgren is Johan Voltenveber? Thoughts? I could not find Johanna's birth in Landskrona.

2020-07-01, 20:07
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Those are probably some other people. Johan Petter Wåhlgren is a "betjent", some kind of officer or clerk. Probably a bit higher in the social ranking. A corpral was the second lowest rank of soldier, and Maja was very poor after Voltenveber died. Also Wåhlgren/Wahlgren was a "normal" swedish name and would not be confused with Voltenveber. Which by the way sounds almost german, Voltenweber. But I don't know. And Maria Pehrsdotter was a very common name, there must have been thousands of them around in that time.

And Johanna Johansdotter, I checked her up before. In Västra Eneby AI:2 page 258 she is also present, but not as a daughter, but as "piga", maid. There she doesn't have any place of birth, but the year 1786? Can't be 1796 since she had a child in 1807 and married in 1811.

2020-07-01, 23:02
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This is a bit complicated. In Västra-Eneby-AI-1-1797-1803-Image-103-page-195 the family is together. Maja has no new children with Gabriel but has Johannes and three others? Johanna, Sara, and Maria. Do you believe this Johanna is different from the one shown in AI:2? Sara (Stina) is my ancestor. What is the word to the left of Johanna?


BTW, I found Johannes birth record in Kisa which is out of wedlock. He is Johannes Carlsson per later records.


I agree with the German sound to the father's name but I still don't know how to find him or his death.


Why do you believe that Maja/Maria was living in Kjölaforsstugan since 1788?




2020-07-01, 23:15
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I did not find her in AI:1 before, but that does change things a bit. Here Johanna actually has a "d" for daughter. That's just strange, why would there be a daughter born in Landskrona, far away in Skåne? Bad enough with the family living in Carlscrona when Sara Stina was born. Or did they? What if the priest confused Karlskrona and Landskrona? That would make more sense, and Landskrona probably have some land based military where Voltenveber could have served.

Maria was living in Kjöleforsstugan when she married Gabriel, and I found here there in tax records all the way back to 1788.

And the word to the left of Johanna is "sjuk", sick. She is later described as being somwhat "slow" in her head and she was divorced for having a child with someone else while married. That in an era when divorce was almost unheard of. Seems like she had some issues.

2020-07-02, 00:12
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I will check in the Landskrona records.
Are you sure she was in Kjölaforsstugan Kisa Parish? There is no place with a name similar to that in the familysearch wiki on the Parish.

Also, Johannes Carlsson, her son, shows up on Västra-Eneby-AI-2-1805-1810-Image-199-page-383 but I can't figure out what happened to him. His name is crossed out but so is where he went. And there is no indication that he died. Any thoughts?

2020-07-02, 00:25
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The farm is Kölefors, also spelled Kjölefors. Stuga means cottage and Kjöleforsstugan was a cottage at tha farm where Maria lived for some years.
You can see the word here:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0016354_00259#?c=&m=&s=&cv=258&xywh=2109%2C2816%2C4666%2C2540


I believe Johannes Carlsson later changed his last name to Norrbom and got married. Birth date is right, at least.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0019189_00184#?c=&m=&s=&cv=183&xywh=-1066%2C-96%2C5266%2C2479

2020-07-02, 00:59
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Thanks.


What are the letters before his name? What do they mean? Where did he come from? I can't read it. I believe it says the first 2 children are hers and the later one is their son.

2020-07-02, 01:51
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I see that Johannes came from Rävsala. Västra Eneby (E) AI:10 (1846-1851) Image 252 / Page 244 (AID: v27161.b252.s244, NAD: SE/VALA/00445). He is with his daughter Brita Stina born in 33.

What does it say above his name on this page?  In 1841 he was at: Västra Eneby (E) AI:9 (1841-1845) Image 262 / Page 253 (AID: v27160.b262.s253, NAD: SE/VALA/00445). Married on 20 Feb 1813, Västra Eneby (E) C:3 (1809-1829) Image 13 / Page 680 (AID: v42165a.b13.s680, NAD: SE/VALA/00445). I see him at: Västra Eneby (E) AI:3 (1811-1815) Image 238 / Page 229 (AID: v27154.b238.s229, NAD: SE/VALA/00445) at the bottom of the page with the Norrbom name but still not with Carlsson. I can't find him before that.

2020-07-02, 02:43
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If it is the first mentioned page, it say Orgeltramparen (Organ treadler?) Johan Norrbom.

2020-07-02, 16:35
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That sounds strange. It appears he is in the military in some capacity but I can't tell what he was doing. Thoughts?

2020-07-02, 17:01
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Probably he was an organ treadler on Sundays, but the church considered that so important that they made a note in the record.

 

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