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Författare Ämne: 1746-1748 death of Georg Camitz  (läst 254 gånger)

2019-03-31, 12:27
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I am searching for any record at all for the death of a Georg (or Gioran or variation of name) Camitz (or Kammits or Kametz or variation of name). His death occurred definitely between the years 1746-1747, most likely in the parish region of Kristinehamn of Värmlands. But his wife Elisabet BECKMAN apparently had roots in Örebro län so I am not absolutely sure about the place of death for Georg. Attached is their marriage record. I have some other later records of Georg Camitz for the births of his children, but it is very much a death record for a Georg Camitz that I am seeking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

2019-03-31, 23:07
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Here is the death of a Georg Camitz in 1785 at the age of 62 years and 5 months.

ArkivDigital, reference:
Kristinehamn FI:2 (1758-1824) Bild 79 / sid 149 (AID: v7294.b79.s149, NAD: SE/VA/13289)
Riksarkivet, link:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037979_00085

I used the death register for Kristinehamn to find the records and sources. These registers are only available in ArkivDigital. (I think.)

2019-04-01, 03:58
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Hi Kristina1. Thank you for your searching however you have identified another Georg Camitz within the family tree. There were a number of descendants of the Camitz family patriarch Georg Camitz (born 1623 and dying 1687) who shared the name.  The Georg Camitz I am seeking the death record for was married to Elisabet Beckman per the photo I attached. He appears to have died about 1747 as he had no further children with his wife, tax records ended for him, and a 1747 parish notation for "Georen Kametz" indicating his death along with naming his wife "Lisa Beckman" and sons "Lars" and "Anders". 

I am hoping that a record for his death may give clues as to his Date of Birth (or age at death) which will then allow me to clarify where he fits in the family tree in relation to the original Camitz patriarch.

2019-04-01, 17:51
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According to this text the two eldest sons of Johan Camitz died young:
http://runeberg.org/strokirk/1/0098.html

The older discussion on Camitz could be interesting and avoid double work:
https://forum.rotter.se/index.php?topic=69256.0

2019-04-02, 00:37
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kristina1... Thank you so much for your interest in my questions (and dillema). :)  It is a very difficult investigation. :)   But I think it is a line of research very much worth following as it seems to be a big hole existing in all current research and printed documentation.

The thing is, I do have a Georg Camitz who was definitely alive in the early 1700s, who  was married to Elisabet BECKMAN (and I have a copy of his marriage record), and who fathered at least 5 children with Elizabeth/Lisa  being 1735 Lars, 1737 Brita Greta, 1738 Lars-Georgien, 1740 twins Anders Georgsson & Giöran (for whom I have copies of their birth records). And from all other available information, he died about 1747 though no actual death record has been found so far.

He is a mystery so far as no other researcher, or book that I have found, can place him in the family tree of original and famous Iron master Georg Camitz (1623-1687).

But he existed, had the unusual name of CAMITZ, also had some considerable standing in the community, and was also involved in the Iron mill business in the same region of Sweden.

As we discussed briefly before, there is an 11 May 1709 birth record (with 14 May baptism) for twins Georg & Christina with father being “Johan Camitz” and mother “Maja”. The witnesses to that birth/baptism include the names “Clara Camitz”, “Sara Camitz, “Maja Ekebohm” “Stina Wester”. Is it logical to assume then that the parents of these twin children were the same Johan Camitz (1681-1741) that was married to Maria Wester (1681-1761). But if so, then why is this 11 May 1709 birth information not included in the book transcript (author Oscar Fredrik Strokirk) which you kindly posted earlier?  Is it possible that the author Strokirk did not have all the facts when he wrote his book in the late 1800s? Remembering that at the time Strokirk wrote his book, he would not have had access to the vast amount of digitalised information currently available, or the powerful search tools we now have.   So if we were to take the 18th century authors book as definitive knowledge, who then were the parents Johan Camitz and wife Maria, who had twin children all with Camitz, Ekebohm and Wester witnesses to their birth?

IF the Georg Camitz I am researching was not the eldest twin son of Johan Camitz (1681-1741), then who was he in relation to the patriarch Georg Camitz (1623-1687)? There is another possibility and that is that the Georg Camitz I am researching (and who died about 1747), may have been a child born in 1674 of the second marriage of the patriarch Georg Camitz (1623-1687). But I am yet to find out any definite information on the existance of that child. And there may yet be other Georg Camitz alive in that period of time, but I have only the two possible "suspects" at the moment. :)

Yes, krinstina1, I have looked through that older thread many times. I does not provide any assistance in clarifying the existence of a Georg CAMITS who definitely existed with documented marriage and children (according to original parish records). But so far, I have found no researcher or book with any mention of him.
So I am very much left wondering, "who was he"?  :)

2019-04-02, 00:50
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Available documents for Georg Camitz married to Elisabet Beckman and who died about 1747....

2019-04-14, 12:30
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I have an idea where we should place this "Örebro" -Georg Camitz. At least from 1718 (as acting sponsor to baptism) a Georg Camitz lived in Degernäs in Karlskoga socken.

According to tax records:
1720 Giöran Camitz "skrivare"
1722 Göran Camitz "skrivare"
1723 "skrivare" with no name
1724 "skrivare" with no name
1725 Göran Camitz "skrivare"
1726 Göran "skrivare"
1727 Göran "skrivare"
1728 Göran Gedda "skrivare"
1729 Göran Göransson "skrivare"
1730 Georg Camitz "skrivare"
1731 Georg Camitz "skrivare"
1732 Georg Camitz "skrivare"
1733 Georg Camitz "bokhållare"
1734 Georg Camitz "bokhållare"
1735 No Camitz
1736 No Camitz

According to a judgment in the court of Karlskoga bergslag 1728 extra order that concerns a dispute over Georg Camitz's children in the first and second marriage all the heirs are mentioned. But there no place to put him, there was only two male lines "living" Johan Camitz one and his brother Gustaf two sons Gustaf and Johan.

Since Göran Camitz lived with "brukspatron" Anders Ahrenberg (which was married to Mathias Camitz widow) he should still belong to this family.

Mathias Camitz hade two sons, "landsfiskal" Olof Camitz dead unmarried i Mariestad 1704 [https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037986_00158] and a son "kvartermästare" Göran Camitz who died in captivity after the Battle of Poltava, Georg Camitz did not get his father's inheritance because he was out in field 1703 when his stepfather Anders Ahrenberg was enter marriage with Mathias Camitz widow. This according to court book in Kristinehamn.
Kristinehamns rådhusrätt och magistrat (S) AIa:33 (1720) Bild 125 / sid 249 (AID: v66289.b125.s249, NAD: SE/VA/11934)

According to a another judgement i Kristinehamn, 1701, a Annika Gädda had under the promise of marriage of a Jurgen Camitz had a child, Camitz was now in field in "Livland" and Annika to her took her punishment.
Göta Hovrätt - Advokatfiskalen Värmlands län (S) EVIIBAA:1576 (1701) Bild 380 (AID: v279182.b380, NAD: SE/VALA/0382503)

This Jurgen Camitz could not be mayor Georg Camitz son Georg Camitz that was civil and in Bergskollegium and who died in Kristinehamn 1697.

According to Hjalmar Lindér Örebro Skeppare Embetes Årskrönika åren 1689-1872 published in Meddelanden från Föreningen Örebro läns museum VI (1916), Georg Camitz was skipper in Örebro and his widow is mentioned 1746 2/12 so he must have died that year.


2019-05-02, 02:46
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BREAKTHROUGH!!!    Thank you so much "compleo". That information has helped me so VERY VERY much. Now the investigation continues with much excitement and determination!!!  :)

 

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