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Författare Ämne: Trouble with a Birth Year and Place on a Person  (läst 883 gånger)

2019-03-12, 05:49
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I have asked a question on here previously (back in 2009) about this person and got a lot of information but a couple people have brought it to my attention that the birth year I have may not be correct. I have been doggedly searching on this to get it straight but still don't have anything concrete.
https://forum.genealogi.se/index.php?topic=80666.0

Nils Eriksson Andrake Lustig - I have a 11/11 1757 Lilla Hycklinge and a 1764 ?/? Fliseryd. The 2 "Nils'" born in Fliseryd 1764 fathers are "Lars" and "Anders" and I know my Nils is a "Erik"-sson.

He was in the military and shows up with the first birthdate (from Dovestad) but all the Husforhors have him as 1764 Fliseryd except the file I have a file that someone sent me once (*see attached file*) I can not find this parish record or which one it comes from?
I have gone over and over Husforhors and Fodelse's and still have not nailed it down. Very tough individual to get exact. The biggest thing is I would like to know where the attached file (Döderhultsskivan.docx) is referenced from!
Ken Johnson

2020-02-10, 10:14
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The "Döderhultsskivan" is a CD record with digitised data from Döderhult parish, from 2001 or so, issued by PLF Oskarshamn (see http://www.plfoskarshamn.se/sv/om-oss/sprak/english/ )
They have a lot of birth, death, and marriage records from Kalmar county and surroundings digitised.
A Nils, son of Eric, was born Nov. 11, 1757 in Lilla Hyklinge (p 324 in Döderhult C/3).

2020-02-10, 16:34
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Hi KG Hammarlund, Thank you for your reply and the info. I wasn't totally clear... I have a birth record for a Nils, son of Eric born on Nov 11, 1757, what I am unable to find is the Husforhors that reflects the info from the "Döderhultsskivan". Ken -

 Bostad                         |              Född              |    Wigd    |             Död             |        Hitflyttad        |        Utflyttad         |
  |                                |________________________________|____________|_____________________________|__________________________|__________________________|
  | Döfvestad ägor                 |            |                   |            |            |                |      |                   |      |                   |
  |                                | År och Dag |        Ort        | År och Dag | År och Dag |     Orsak      |  År  |     Hwarifrån     |  År  |     Hwarthän      |
  |________________________________|____________|___________________|____________|____________|________________|______|___________________|______|___________________|
  |                                |            |                   |            |            |                |      |                   |      |                   |
 1|Båtsman Nils Eriksson Lustig    | 11/11 1757 |Hycklinge          |  12/4 1784 |            |                |      |Fliseryds sn       | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      | 1
 2|Hustru Stina Persdotter         |   6/9 1761 |Djupeträsk         |  12/4 1784 |            |                |      |                   | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      | 2
 3|Son Magnus                      |  11/3 1788 |Emmekalf           |            |            |                |      |                   | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      | 3
 4|Son Jonas                       |  15/4 1792 |Döfvestad          |            |            |                |      |                   | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      | 4
 5|Son Nils                        | 22/10 1794 |Djupeträsks ägor   |            |            |                |      |                   | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      | 5
 6|Son Jakob                       | (24/3 1797)|(Lustigtorpet)     |            |  24/3 1797 |Okjänd sjuka    |      |                   |      |                   | 6
 7|Son Erik                        |  25/3 1799 |Döfvestads ägor    |            |            |                |      |                   |      |                   | 7
 8|Dotter Cajsa                    |  27/9 1800 |Djupeträsk         |            |            |                |      |                   | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      | 8
 9|Dotter Maria                    |  14/8 1801 |Lustigtorpet       |            |            |                |      |                   | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      | 9
10|Son Anders                      | 22/11 1803 |Lustigtorpet       |            |            |                |      |                   | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      |10
11|Dotter Stina Cajsa              |  15/8 1806 |Lustigtorpet       |            |            |                |      |                   | 1807 |N.B. pag. 244      |11

2020-02-10, 17:41
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Well, it seems as if Döderhults husförhörslängder older than 1760 are missing.

Since he was a "båtsman" of Smålands båtsmanskompani, have you tried finding him in the Soldiers' register? See http://www.ep.liu.se/databases/soldatregister/default.en.aspx

Regretfully you'll won't find his parents there, bt maybe some other interesting information.

2020-02-10, 19:53
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Found him in the Navy Archive: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0038075_00001#?c=&m=&s=&cv=&xywh=-840%2C-1%2C5186%2C2480

img 138 No. 118 Nils Eriksson Lustig enlistened 1791 age 34
img 266 notice: "befaren" ("experienced mariner")
img 324 still there after 25 years of service
img 354 taken leave at age 65 after 31 years of service

I also found Nils Lustig and Stina Persdotter in Döderhult AI/1 p. 239 (img. 134). That must be a late entry and it might be possible to find Nils Eriksson crossed out on some other page, e.g. from somewhere in Hycklinge rote.

"Lustig" is most likely a name assigned to the båtsman living at this particular båtsmanstorp, so the other Lustig on p. 239, Jaen Lustig, is hardly a relative but the previous tenant.


2020-02-11, 02:39
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"Well, it seems as if Döderhults husförhörslängder older than 1760 are missing."
So this "husförhörs" is from 1760 even with children that are born up to 1806? I was unable to find them in any others.


Thanks for the leads to the pages in the Military register, I captured all of them.
I had the one "Nils Lustig and Stina Persdotter in Döderhult AI/1 p. 239 (img. 134)."
The other reason I am doing this is there is some question on having the correct Stina which I thought the "husförhörs" would help.

Thanks again...
MVH Ken Johnson

2020-02-11, 03:17
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Good evening,
Checking the marriage date in 1784  from the "Döderhultsskiva" we find Nils Ericsson (from?) Andräke/Andrake(?) and Pigan Christina Pärs Dotter from Emmekalf in Döderhult
Döderhult C:3 (1739-1784), bild 39, sida 62
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2020-02-11, 09:31
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My guess is that Andrake (old Swedish word for male duck/drake) is one of those assigned seaman names, like Lustig. When looking through the Navy records I found that seaman/torp no. 113, also in Döderhult parish, is linked to the name Andrake. Why both names have been linked to Nils is a mystery, though.

If you have a lot of time and patience, you could browse through the records "Sjöexpeditioner, skeppsmönsterrullor":
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/flottans-arkiv?Referenskod=SE%2FKrA%2F0500-0503%2F0503%2F035&DatumFran=1791&DatumTill=1822&Fritext=

and look for seamen from Smålands båtsmanskompani. I was lucky and just stumbled over Nils Ericsson Lustig onboard the ship "Konung Adolf Fredrik" Jun 1 - Sept 22, 1796:

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0037679_00049#?c=&m=&s=&cv=48&xywh=-266%2C765%2C4626%2C2670

and here's the ship in question: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konung_Adolf_Fredrik_%281775%29

Most likely he was onboard that or another ship during the war with Russia 1807-1809. And lucky to return home alive and unharmed.


2020-02-13, 15:51
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Anti Poika - Yes thank you, I have that... which I think that is the correct (my) Nils born 1757 and Stina but there still was another båtsman Nils Lustig born 1764 and a Stina Persdotter around the Döderhult area the same time as my Nils and Stina. See attached files... Ken

2020-02-13, 15:58
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Yes Ken,
I have seen a couple of these husförhörslängd-pages and I do indeed understand your problem.
Mvh Anti

2020-02-13, 16:02
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KG Hammarlund - I knew about the "Lustig" name and "Andrake" (meaning male duck/drake). The other information is awesome! Thank you! I am still trying to sort two "Nils" and two "Stina's" in that area at that time and that's why I need to get information on my Nils and Stina other than from the Döderhultsskivan which has Nils with the 1757 birth and nothing else that I can find has Nils with that date other than his birth record (attached).  Ken

2020-02-13, 16:05
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2020-02-13, 16:27
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I found No. 118 Lustig (I do hope he's your Nils Svensson Lustig despite the confusing records) on board the ship Tapperheten ('Bravery') May 5-Oct 25 1808:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0037713_00031

and here's the ship: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapperheten_%281785%29

and its task during 1808: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Gotland_1808

2020-02-13, 17:16
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No. 118 that is most likely him. Thanks

You mean Nils Erikson Lustig right?

2020-02-13, 17:50
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Thought I should add to the confusion ; )
No, of course I meant Eriksson, sorry about the typo.

2020-02-18, 15:37
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Ha! No worries... :) Thanks for the military info you found and shared. MVH, Ken

 

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