Johan Johannesson f. 1861

[Andrew Johnson]

Would somebody please help me find information about Johan Johannesson, he moved out of Hyssna parish in 1876 at age 15 to Göteborg.
I am unable to find any records on the Göteborg side of his arrival or any information in general about him until I find him in a marriage record(1892) in USA to Christine Kumlien and in the 1900 US Census as "Charles Johnson".
I wonder why he left home so young and what he was doing in this 16 year gap?

In and out records

Sätila kyrkoarkiv, In- och utflyttningslängder, B/3 (1861-1880),
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0019074_00090 (1876)

Household Records
Hyssna kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, A I/16 (1867-1873), Grönered Östergård, Bild 68 / Sida 60
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0045277_00068

Hyssna kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, A I/17 (1874-1881), Grönered Östergård, Bild 74 / Sida 70
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0045278_00074

[Ulla Lundell]

Hello Andrew


I have not beeing able to found out those  missing years about your Johan. I looked into familysearch and after a while I fiund out when your Charls died he died in 17 of may 1939 in Des Moine iowa next I looked into findagrave where I typed the things I have given you. He was buerried 20 of May 1939, and on that site you can read some intresting things.I hope that you will find it


All the best Ulla

[Kristina Rylander]

You can find him in Göteborgs Kristine:

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0040883_00356
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0040886_00054

Göteborgs Kristine (O) AI:7 (1871-1880) Bild 411 / sid 406 (AID: v35149.b411.s406, NAD: SE/GLA/13187)
Göteborgs Kristine (O) AI:10 (1881-1883) Bild 77 / sid 73 (AID: v35152.b77.s73, NAD: SE/GLA/13187)

A member register for First Lutheran Church in Des Moines states he left Gothenburg in 1882. Came from Moline to Des Moines which fits with marriage there in 1892:
Name   Charles Johnson
Gender   Male
Marriage Age   31
Event Type   Member List
Birth Date   15 Jan 1861
Birth Place   SW. Älfrb
Departure Place   Göteborg, Sweden
Arrival Date   1882
Marriage Date   4 Nov 1892
Death Date   17 May 1939
Relation to Head   Head
Church   First Lutheran Church
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/63528707:61584

So yes, there is approx 10 years unaccounted for here. But, according to the obituary (or family story?) he first came to Sioux City (text for his memorial here which I guess you have seen):
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/102724566/charles-johnson

[Andrew Johnson]

Thank you very much Kristina and Ulla for your help. All of the information on Familysearch and Findagrave is done by me. I don't have an Ancestry subscription at the moment so I am unable to view the "First Lutheran Church" records.

Charles/Johan stated his immigration date different everytime in USA so I just wanted to find out for sure since the Swedish records are so much better, I noticed that in the "Göteborgs Kristine (O) AI:10 (1881-1883)" there is no "Utflyttad" date listed  and his name isn't crossed out so I'm wondering if he hadn't left for USA yet in 1882 like its written in the Des Moines Church records. He might be in the Göteborgs Kristine församlings kyrkoarkiv A I b/1 (1883-1889) Household records but I'm not sure how to find him. There is also something listed in the "Utflyttad" section in the "Göteborgs Kristine (O) AI:7 (1871-1880)" that states "ODB 17/9 85" and I'm not sure what that means. So I would like if somebody would help me solve this. Another question I have is I wonder who Johan Johannesson lived with while he was in Göteborgs Kristine församling?

Johan is my fathers fathers fathers father (2x Great Grandfather)

Andrew Johnson
Vancouver, WA, USA

[Kristina Rylander]

I suspected the info came from you since I think I also found your tree at ancestry yesterday 

Anyway, Gothenburg is not easy and there are other people here that are far better than I am at finding people/information there. Hopefully someone can answer your questions.

My thought about the notation of "ODB 17/9 85" was that maybe it meant "obefintlighetsboken" but I couldn't find him there. That would have meant he left without informing anyone which could be anytime between the time he got there until 1885. But I don't know if that is what is meant or if it refers to something else.

If you send me an email through the system here I can reply with a copy of the church register from Des Moines for him, his wife and the two children listed.

[Kristina Rylander]

Just noticed that arkiv digital also have the church books for First Lutheran in Des Moines:
Des Moines First Lutheran Church, Iowa, USA (IA) Vol:3 (1900-1948) Bild 111 / sid 86 (AID: v911127.b111.s86)

And Charles' death:
Des Moines First Lutheran Church, Iowa, USA (IA) Vol:8 (1931-1947) Bild 58 / sid 369 (AID: v911182.b58.s369)