Per Persson

[Mary Nelson Keithahn]

My great-grandfather, Nils Persson of Hjarsas, had a brother, Per Persson, who lived with him and his wife until he married on July 26, 1861, and moved to Emmilslöv. Nils and Per were sons of Per Orredson (b. 1779) and Elna Persdotter (b. 1791) who had a farm in Donaberga but lived in Hjarsas when their children were born.  There are three other siblings: Anders (b. 1810), Bengta (b. 1813), and Ored (b. 1819).
 
I am interested in learning more about Per Persson, and also the other siblings, Anders Persson, Bengta Persdotter, and Ored Persson.  I'll be grateful for any information you can provide.

[Gunnar Håkansson]

Just a couple of small spelling errors (as you are so good at spelling Swedish else). Hjarsas is spelled Hjärsås. Emmislöv has no l before s. And Oredsson is the standard spelling (son of Ored).

[Monica Svedberg]

Mary,
I suggest that you put your question here:
Landskap - Skåne - Socknar - Hjärsås
Landskap - Skåne - Socknar - Emmislöv
Good Luck!

[Bo Nordenfors]

No reason to move it and no reason to change spelling  
 
Per Persson and his wife emigrated!  
 
 
Post 393601
 
Persson, Per
Torpare (married man)
 
b. 6/22/1828 in Hjärsås, Kristianstads län (Skåne)
 
Emigrated 1867
from Lillaskog 1, Emmislöv, Kristianstads län (Skåne)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 325
 
Emibas migration file ID: Emmislöv L 1867 005
 
 
 
 
Post 393602
 
Svensdotter, Anna
Hustru (married woman)
 
b. 2/21/1844 in Hjärsås, Kristianstads län (Skåne)
 
Emigrated 1867
from Lillaskog 1, Emmislöv, Kristianstads län (Skåne)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 325
 
Emibas migration file ID: Emmislöv L 1867 006
 
Will check the other siblings, can take a while.
 
 
//Bo

[Bo Nordenfors]

Parts of the archives from Hjärsås were destroyed by fire. Thus clerical surveys are missing for some years, makes it rather hard to find people. I also tried other church records - such as the books of holy communion but negative, so far. The problem with that kind of books is the missing DOB:s and places of birth. There are records with moving outs starting 1831 but too timeconsuming to browse them and they are also rather slovenly.
 
However,I found a Bengta Persdotter b. 1813 in Hjärsås in the Swedish Census 1880.  
 
 
 
Namn:    Bengta Persdotter     name
Hemförsamling:    Wånga      home parish
Hemort:    Rosendahl   residence
Kontrakt:    Willand
Län:    Kristianstad   county
Födelseår:    1813   year of birth
Födelseförsamling:    Hjärsås Kristianstads län    parish where born
Civilstånd:    Gift (G)   married
Kön:    Kvinna  woman
Familjeställning:    h.=wife
Famstkod:    Mor/fru (M)  mother
Familj nr:    1   family nbr
Sida:    31   page
Rad:    8   line  
 
   
Om hushållet= about the household
 
Personer i hushållet:
Fam. nr 1  family nbr
Mattis Swensson, f. 1816 i Näsum Kristianstads län, Åbo=tenant farmer
Bengta Persdotter, f. 1813 i Hjärsås Kristianstads län
Sven, f. 1865 i Vånga Kristianstads län    
 
f.= born
 
I went to Vånga parish and clerical survey AI:16 (1879-1883) pg 175
 
That Bengta Persdotter was born on 25 April 1813 in Hjärsås = do you think is your Bengta? I have no book of births from Hjärsås to compare with.
her husband: Mattis Svensson b. in Näsum 15 Febr. 1816
children listed:
 
Sven Mattisson b. 12 May 1856 in Vånga;
married to Anna Olsdotter b. 21 January 1856 in Vånga.
a son Anton Edvard b. in Vånga 1882.
 
 
Bengta Persdotter and Mattis Svensson earlier resided in Mölleryd, Vånga, source: Vånga AI:15/ 1876--1878/ pg 193.
Appears they had a daughter Karna b. 1850 in Vånga, she got married 1876 and moved to Nosaby parish in October 1876.
 
 
Earlier clerical survey, AI:14 (1870--1875) pg 155 showed another daughter, Sissa, born 1847 in Vånga.
 
I can gather more, but as I not yet a 100% confirmation this is your Bengta, I take a break.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av rannug 2010-02-16 19:55)

[Bo Nordenfors]

Bingo! We have your Bengta!
 
Married in Vigda i Vånga församling Parish
1690 - 1894
Date   1839-11-28   Date refers to   wedding
   ID No/Rules   122375/DDSS
Groom
Name   Mattis Svensson
Title   dräng  farmhand
Place   Sneckestad
Age/Year of Birth   23
Civil Status   not given
Page in Household records   
   
Bride
Name   Bengta Persdotter
Title   piga   maid
Place   Sneckestad
Age/Year of Birth   26
Civil Status   not given
Page in Household records   
Unspecified Place   
Notes
Father Per Oredsson in Döneberga and Hjersås parish.
 
Original source
Archives   Page number/Year index
Vånga kyrkoarkiv  C:8   388 /  9
Archival institution
Landsarkivet i Lund
Text is difficult to decipher   Microfiche volyme no
Nej   
Source notes
Volymen innehåller: Födda 1817-1861. 1817-1820-02-14 duplett. Upphör 1861-03-18. Vigda 1817-1861. 1817-1819 duplett. Upphör 1861-02-16. Döda 1817-1861. 1817-1820-02-08 duplett. Upphör 1861-03-09.
Other notes
General notes
Uppgifterna hämtade ur: Vånga C:1 1690-1692, Vånga C:2 1693-1717, Vånga C:3 1718-1742, Vånga C:4 1743-1766, Vånga C:5 1767-1810, Vånga C:7 1811-1820, Vånga C:8 1817-1861, Vånga C:11 1861-1865, Vånga E:1 1865-1877 samt Vånga E:3 1878-1894.
 
 
I would like to rest .....

[Mary Nelson Keithahn]

Is there any information in the Emibas migration files for Per Person and Anna Svensdotter about their destination in America?  Is there any record of the ship on which they sailed?
 
Thanks.

[Anna-Carin Betzén]

The Emibas database is based on extracts from parish records. Unfortunately these sources just state the person is moving out to (North) America, and often the date at which the vicar wrote a certificate of change of adress.  
 
I think the accompanying database Emihamn states what port they left from, and the destination port, but not their destination in America nor the ship name.

[Elisabeth Thorsell]

The emigration records for the port of Malmö, from where Per Persson and his wife presumably set out for America in 1867, do not start until 1874 in the database Emihamn, mentioned above. There are no other passenger records in Sweden that gives their destination.  
 
Probably the way to find them again is to search the U.S. Federal Census for 1870.
 
Another way to find out about them might be if either Per or Anna had parents or unmarried siblings that died after their emigration? If so, their estate inventory (bouppteckning) in the local court archives might mention where they are at that time.

[Bo Nordenfors]

Mary,
 
On Febr. 15th you posted a quiry  
from which I quote:  There are three other siblings: Anders (b. 1810), Bengta (b. 1813), and Ored (b. 1819).  
As you may have seen I found Bengta, (my postings Febr 16th) - but I have not found Anders or Ored, but as I said, some records are gone because of fire. Census Sweden 1880 negative, same result on emigration records.
If you wish more on Bengta and her husband, please let me know.  
 
//Bo

[Mary Nelson Keithahn]

Bo,
 
A new-found 4th cousin who read my queries contacted me by e-mail and said the last name of the wife of Per Oredson was Andersdotter, not Persdotter.  She was the daughter of Anders Olsson (b. 1765 in Hjarsas; d. April 29, 1806 in Donaberga 2, Hjarsas)and Sissa Nilsdotter. She had two sisters: Ola Andersdotter (b. January 21, 1793 in Hjarsas; died September 10, 1865 in Ingarp, Hjarsas), and Bengta Andersdotter (b. October 24, 1802 in Donaberga; died Novmeber 20, 1868, in Bivarods torp 15, Knislinge.)  Bengta had a son Bodel Mansson, who had two daughters Nilla and Maria Bodelsdotter and two sons, Anders and Nils Bodelsson.  Maria (Mary) married Alfred Johnson and emigrated to Minneapolis, Minnesota. (I have been trying to find information on the Minnesota family for her.)  My cousin is Nilla's granddaughter.  Because I had a different last name for Elna, she wrote to the Landsarkivet in Lund to get the estate records, and all the dates and places fit with what I had except for that name problem.  She said Anders Persson died April 1, 1836, and Ored died November 10, 1840.  I am assuming that neither was married at that young age so there were no descendants.  If you have more information on Bengta Persdotter and her husband, I would be glad to have it.  All these statistics have a way of giving me a picture of the family life.
 
I had a note on my family information sheet that Per Oredsson and Elna Andersdotter had a lodger, a widow named Sissa, b. 1766.  I think this may have been Elna's mother. Is there any way to find out about her?
 
I do not have death dates for Per Oredsson or Elna Andersdotter, and the two unmarried brothers died before Per Persson emigrated, so I don't think I can find anything about Per's whereabouts from estate inventories.  I will have to try the US 1870 census and hope they didn't change their name.
 
Thanks, everyone, for your information.  Mary

[Bo Nordenfors]

Just e-mailed a report re. Bengta Persdotter's descendants. about seven pages,so I thought it was not suited for this forum. Three children emigrated, at least one to Stillwater, MN,. you will find details in my report.
 
//Bo

[Bo Nordenfors]

Bengta's children, in brief.
 
Bengta Persdotter. Born 1813-04-25 Hjärsås, L. Died 1884-09-09 Rosendal, Vånga, L 1).
 
Family with Mattis Svensson (Born 1816-02-15 Näsum, L 2). Died 1889-12-13 Rosendal, Vånga, L 3).)
 
   Children:
   
   1 Bengta Mattisdotter. Born 1840-01-10 Vånga, L 4). Died 1871-05-13 Mölleryd, Vånga, L 5).
   2 Anna Mattisdotter. Born 1842-05-03 Vånga, L 6).
   3 Nils Mattisson. Born 1845-01-26 Vånga, L 7). Died 1868-07-25 Vånga, L .
   4 Sissa Mattisdotter. Born 1847-07-27 Vånga, L 9).
   5 Karna Mattisdotter. Born 1850-02-22 Vånga, L 10).
   6 Malena Mattisdotter. Born 1852-10-01 Vånga, L 11).
   7 Sven Mattisson. Born 1856-05-12 Vånga, L 12).
 
Sources
 
1)   Vånga F:2 pg 11
2)   Näsum C:4 pg 215
3)   Vånga F:2 pg 26
4)   Vånga C:8 pg 200
5)   Vånga F:1 pg 48
6)   Vånga C:8 pg 216
7)   Vånga C:8 pg 234
   GID 1471.52.18400,  [Kristianstad]  Vånga,  AI.13, Husförhör, 1865 - 1869, 143-0,  Bild 143 av 276
9)   Vånga C:8 pg 252
10)   Vånga C.8 pg 274
11)   Vånga C:8 pg 292
12)   Vånga C:8 pg 322

[Bo Nordenfors]

those emigrating were
 
Anna - left 1889 with husband and children -- Stillwater MN
Karna left in 1883 with husband and family
Malena left in 1879 with husband and family.
Sven left for less than a year, then came back.