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Författare Ämne: Karl Emil Pettersson  (läst 2171 gånger)

2010-07-25, 03:29
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I Am Trying to research information on my Great Grandfather Charles Emil Pettersson . He was born into Stockholm , Sweden , March 11th 1880th I believe his fathers name or Jon was John or Johann Pettersson & his mother was Thilda Helsberg .
 
He Arrived from Sweden Possibly late 1800 's early 1900 's .
 
I Have Been Told he captained a ship But Jun lotion left once in NZ but I'm not SURE IF This Is Accurate .
 
He married Minnie May Wiblin in Blenheim New Zealand on 13th November 1905 & died April 16th 1908th He Drowned In The Pelorus Sounds in New Zealand .
 
I Have Also Been Told That When he died , someone from Sweden came to New Zealand to take his son , my Grandfather , Arthur Charles Peterson, born 29-10-1906 , back to Sweden with Them . Possibly someone to do with his Swedish Grandparents . My GGrandmother Would Allow notes on this though.
 
The name was changed Pettersson to Peterson for ease of spelling . Karl also  changed his name to Charles .
 
Any information greatly appreciated Would ask .
Thank you , Linda Marriner ( nee Peterson )

2010-07-25, 05:08
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Perhaps?
 
From the Swedish 1890 census:
 
Widower, Hellsberg, Anders Fredrik b. 1821 in Dunker parish, Södermanland county
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Child, Hilda Maria b. 1877 in Dunker
Child, Carl Emil b. 1880 in Dunker
Child, Carl Ferdinand b. 1886 in Floda, Södermanland county
 
All the children are Anders Fredrik's grandchildren - in Swedish the relationship is exactly described as daughter's daughter and daughter's son.
Anders Fredrik is a former soldier, now retired on a pension. The household resides at Ulriksberg village in Dunker parish in Södermanland county.
 
Dunker is a parish about 100 km from Stockholm; it would be quite natural for someone from there to say that he was from Stockholm when describing himself to someone on the other side of the world.
 
Carl/Karl Emil cannot be found in the 1900 Census, though both of his siblings are there (no longer with grandfather; the girl is a maid, the younger boy is fostered). So he is either dead or has emigrated by this time.
 
This must of course be checked into more thoroughly, but I haven't got access to the records right now.
 
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2010-07-25, 07:54
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Thank you Ingela - This Could very well be my Great Grandfather - the names certainly add up , eventhough There are Different spelling & pronounciations .
 
Are you Saying That Anders Hellberg ( The Widow ) Could be my Great Grandfather Carl's Grandfather , There fore making heaven my GGG Grandfather ?
 
If You Can find anything else I Would very much appreciate it . Not -being variable to speak the language makes it very DIFFICULT to research .
Linda

2010-07-25, 11:35
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Carl Emil is actually born on March 11, 1880 according to the parish book for Dunker (AI:24 page 125). He moves with his grandfather when he becomes a church warden, then leaves to work as a farmhand in various places. In 1899, the last year of scanned books, he is tranferred to socken skrifde i.e. he has left the parish without a certificate to an unknown place. There is a small note in pencil, written by the vicar: En slyngel which means that he is considered a rascal. He is called Hellsberg in the books but my have changed his name when joining  ship.
 
He does sound a likely candidate for Charles Emil.
 
He was born outside wedlock to Anders Hellsberg´s daughter Maria Mathilda (born 1857 in Dunker), he was her second child without a father.

2010-07-25, 11:42
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This is his first entry in the parish book, they live at Backstugan, Ulricsberg which is very small cottage called Ulricsberg in Dunker Parish.  
1, grandfather Anders hellsberg
2. grandmother Brita Maria Jonsdotter (daughter of John)
3. a foster child, Johan Julius
4. Daughter Maria Mathilda (Thilda!)
5  her daughter Hilda Maria
6.  her son Carl Emil
 
 
 

 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla 2010-07-25 11:44)

2010-07-25, 14:05
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Maria Mathilda has another son (Carl Ferdinand) in Floda March 20, 1886 (as Ingela has shown above). She dies April 16 1886, probably from complivcations even though no cause of death is given in the death book. Her mother, Brita Maria Jonsdotter, dies 14 Feb 1890.
 
The 3 children all have different fathers. Their names are not given in the birth book, they had the right to remain anonymous. But Hilda and Carl Ferdinand have notes in the parish books indicating their fathers. So, probbly carl Emil knew who his father was and used his name in NZ.

2010-07-26, 10:47
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Thank you Chris . I think this hock Answered all my questions .
 
It made me Have a bit of a laugh to know he was a naughty boy . In heaven never met as he died very young - 28yrs - my grandfather was Less Than 2 yrs old When he died . My G Grandmother remarried in 1913th
 
Can I now starting research on my Mothers Side of the family came from Ireland Which & England .

2010-07-26, 23:02
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Linda,
Carl Emil b. 1880-03-11 Dunker  
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mother:Maria Mathilda Hellsberg b.1857-03-29 in Dunker d.1886-04-16
father:unknown
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grandfather :  Anders Fredrik Hellsberg b.1821-07-20 in Dunker C:3, GID 81.41.9000
The year 1900 he lives i Dunker, Holmstugan and working as church janitor.79 years old!
He dies 1916-01-01 and in the corner it writes When he died the oldest person in the parish
He died in ålderdomshemmet(old people's home ) church janitor and widower.
GID 81.44.10600, SCB, Död,1898-1920
grandmother : Brita Maria Jonsdotter b.1821-06-04 in Turinge d.1890-02-14
 
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Anders Fredrik Hellsberg: Born Dunker,Nykvarn (New Mill)
father: Miller Per Jansson Helsberg b 1790-04-08 in Länna GID 81.16.35700 He drown 1826-04-03, GID 81.17.59900
mother: Anna Maja Jansdotter b. 1786-03-10 in Dunker
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Anna Maja Jansdotter: GID 81.41.900 born in Dunker, Ekorntorp
Father: Crofter Jan Petersson b 1752
Mother:Catharina Andersdotter b.1756 GID 81.11.37400 Hfl DunkerAI:6,page 29
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Per Jansson Helsberg GID 2122.3.9200, Länna Kvarn (mill)
father: Miller Johan Helsberg b.1752-01-02,d.1802-03-18 GID 2122.16.87400
He is on Länna Bruk ,GID 2122.14.46800,AI:2,page 95 as Johan Johansson
mother:Kajsa Larsdotter b.1753-04-24
GID 2122.3.1200,
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Johan Helsberg,1752-01-02, GID 2122.3.900, C:1,page 8
Father:The Millers son Johan Johansson (Helsberg) 1724-06-21, GID 2122.14.47000
Mother: Karin Jonsdotter 1720-01
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Kajsa (Catharina, Karin) Larsdotter b.1753-04-24,GID 2122.3.1200,in Länna, Byringe.
Father: Lars Eriksson 1723-12-01-1797, GID 2122.14.34200
Mother; Catharina Danielsdotter 1721-03-25-1797
Parents of Catharina :Daniel Jönsson b. 1693
and Anna Andersdotter
Daniel Jönssons father: Jöns Persson
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In DISBYT:  
Father of Lars Eriksson:
Erik Persson d 1749 married 1707 in Ärla to Kerstin Andersdotter d 1750.
Her parents: Anders Eriksson and Anna Carlsdotter
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av alexis 2010-07-27 11:52)
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2011-08-29, 23:10
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Linda:
Anders Fredrik Hellsberg, born 1821 20/7 in Nykvarn, Dunker parish.
son of
Per Johansson Hellsberg, born 1790 2/4 in Länna bruk, Länna parish, dead 1826 8/4 in Nykvarn, Dunker parish. Drowned. Miller. Married with Anna Maja Jansdotter, born 1786 10/7 in Dunker parish.
son of
Johan Eriksson Hellsberg, born 1750 16/3 in Stålboga, Dunker parish, dead 1826 26/4 in Flatsjötorp, Dunker parish, Miller in Länna bruk, Länna parish, later Cottager in Flatsjötorp, Dunker parish. Married with Katarina Persdotter Lännbom, born 1752 18/11 in Länna parish, dead 1813 27/4 i Flatsjötorp, Dunker parish.
son of
Erik Johansson Hellsberg, Christening 1723 14/6 i Stålboga, Dunker parish, dead 1790 22/12 in Stålboga, Dunker parish, Mastersmith in Stålboga, Dunker parish, married 1st time with Kerstin Jonsdotter, born 1715 12/10, dead 1767 27/12 i Stålboga, Dunker parish.
son of
Johan Olofsson Hellsberg, born 1691 ?/11, dead 1755 1/12 i Stålboga, Dunker parish, Mastersmith in Stålboga, Dunker parish, married 1720 1/1 in Dunker parish with Maria Olofsdotter, born 1694 24/3.
 
Source: Svenska Smedsläkter number 26 (june 2011), Hellsberg, by Fredrik Derefeldt
 
// Fredrik
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av FredrikD 2011-08-29 23:11)

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