Axel Theodor Andersson / Rosina Vilhelmina Carlsdotter

[Steve Brien]

I am attempting to trace my mor-mor-fars family. Could you help please?
 
Note: I am thankful for some kind assistance from Christer Nilsson to locate their birth records; but am wondering if someone might know something further about this family:
 
They were both from Tjällmo, Östergötland:
 
My mor-mor-far:
 
Axel Theodor Andersson (23 Feb 1852-1939)
-son of father Anders Larsson and mother Lovisa Jönsdotter(?),  
-married 29 OCT 1875 to  
 
My mor-mor-mor:
 
Rosina Vilhelmina Carlsdotter (12 May 1853-10 Nov 1927)
-daughter of Carl Carlsson and Ulrika Fredriksdotter(?)
 
They came to America about 1882. My mor-mor, Anna (1895-1958), the 11th & final child, was born in the USA.
 
I am interested to learn about Axel and Rosina's families from Tjällmo. I know very little more about their life in Sweden, though have some history from my mormor Anna's diary, about their life in North Dakota. I would appreciate any help you can give!
 
Thanks!
Steve Brien
Denver, CO USA

[Don Tuthill]

Hi Steve,
 
Here is some data from the EMIBAS CD, you seemed to be unsure about Axel and his family's emmigration date/s, so I thought I'd provide that information for you.  
 
Here is that info:
 
Post 134548
 
Andersson, Axel Teodor
Dagkarl (married man)
 
b. 2/23/1852 in Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
 
Emigrated 5/12/1883
from Kvarstående Obefintliga, Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 496
 
Emibas migration file ID: Tjällmo E 1883 003
 
Post 134549
 
Carlsdotter, Rosina Wilhelmina
Hustru (married woman)
 
b. 8/22/1854 in Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
 
Emigrated 5/12/1883
from Svaltorp Nr 2 Svalnäs, Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 449
 
Emibas migration file ID: Tjällmo E 1883 004
 
Post 134550
 
Axelsdotter Andersson, Emeli Charlotta
Dotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 4/30/1876 in Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
 
Emigrated 5/12/1883
from Svaltorp Nr 2 Svalnäs, Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 449
 
Emibas migration file ID: Tjällmo E 1883 005
 
Post 134551
 
Axelsdotter Andersson, Hulda Axelina
Dotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 10/11/1878 in Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
 
Emigrated 5/12/1883
from Svaltorp Nr 2 Svalnäs, Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 449
 
Emibas migration file ID: Tjällmo E 1883 006
 
Post 134552
 
Axelsdotter Andersson, Kunigunda Mathilda
Dotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 4/3/1880 in Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
 
Emigrated 5/12/1883
from Svaltorp Nr 2 Svalnäs, Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 449
 
Emibas migration file ID: Tjällmo E 1883 007
 
Post 134553
 
Axelsson Andersson, Carl Axel
Son (unmarried man)
 
b. 11/26/1882 in Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
 
Emigrated 5/12/1883
from Svaltorp Nr 2 Svalnäs, Tjällmo, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 449
 
Emibas migration file ID: Tjällmo E 1883 008
 
Hope this is usable information.
 
Have anice day!
 
Don

[Britt-Marie Waller]

To Steve Brien: Hi Steve! I think you have received wrong information earlier about your ancestors...You asked a question here on anbytarforum earlier: Discussions in english, general questions, Axel Teodor Andersson, Tjällmo etc...The information was delivered to you by e-mail instead of here on anbytarforum.  
 
As you can see in the emigrationinformation Rosina Vilhelmina Carlsdotter married to Axel Teodor Andersson is born 1854-08-22 in Tjällmo instead of 1853-05-12!!
 
1853-05-17 was another girl named Rosina Vilhelmina Carlsdotter born at the farm Iskallebol in Tjällmo. But as I looked her up I found that she married 1874-02-14 to a shoemaker named Carl August Johansson born 1848 in Tjällmo. They lived at a place called Granlund in Tjällmo 1882. This is NOT your ancestor...
(her parents by the way was named Carl Carlsson/Ulrika Fredriksdotter).
 
Your ancestor must be this woman:  
AI:17 Tjällmo (1877-82) Svaltorp no 2, belonging to the farm Svalnäs.  
Wife Rosina Vilhelmina Carlsdotter b 1854-08-22 Tjällmo, D. Emeli Charlotta Andersson b 1876-04-30 Tjällmo, D. Hulda Axelina b 1878-10-11 Tjällmo, D. Kunigunda Matilda b 1880-04-03 Tjällmo.  
 
The husband is said to be in North America already, seems he have not told the priest he was going away...
 
At the same page her sisterinlaw Ida Sofia Carlsdotter born 1861-03-16 Godegård (E) married 1880-10-09 and her son Carl Axel Persson b 1880-12-05 Tjällmo. The husband here is also said to be in N America. Ida and Carl Axel emigrates to N America 1882-05-15.
 
Here is the birthrecord for the real Rosina Vilhelmina: C:6 Tjällmo p 416 *1854-08-22 Rosina Vilhelmina (at Kulla). Father: Dagkarl (workingman by day...)Carl Olsson and wife Adolfina Herrman (29 yrs).
 
AI:11 Tjällmo (1851-61) Kulla p 129
Married dräng=farmhand Carl Johan Olofsson=Olsson b 1826-11-06 Tjällmo
W. Adolfina Herrman b 1824-05-29 Hällestad (E)close to Tjällmo...
S. Carl August b 1851-01-15 Tjällmo
S. Per Johan b 1852-12-18  
D. Rosina Vilhelmina b 1854-08-22  
D. Augusta Matilda b 1856-08-01  
S. Axel Fredrik b 1859-01-07?  
 
The family moves in 1859 to Markebo properties.  
 
C:5 Tjällmo p 390 *1826-11-06 (9/11) Carl Johan, oäkta=born outside marriage. From Svalnäs utjord.
Father: Olof Nilsson, dräng in Hinstorp. Mother: Pigan =young woman or household help, Brita Maja Jansdotter at Fröjdeholmen.  
 
C:4-5 Hällestad p 1159 *1824-05-29 Adolfina
Tunnbindaren=cooper Peter Herrman and Anna Persdotter at Karstorp.  
 
AI:18 Hällestad (north part) (1825-
Peter Herrman b 1792-06-05 Bo (T)=province of Närke.
W. Anna Persdotter b 1797-03-25 Kristberg (E)close to Tjällmo...
S. Alexander b 1822-01-23 Hällestad
D. Adolfina b 1824-05-29  
S. Anders Petter b 1823-11-01  
D. Anna Maja b 1827-02-09  
D. Johanna b 1829 dead 1829
D. Johanna b 1831, dead 1831
 
Bo parish, Närke C:2 *1792-06-05 (10/6) Petter, from Gryts Nedre Bruk = ironindustri...
Father: Mästersven = blacksmith, Jan Hermansson and mother Anna Stina Beckman (32 yrs). Witn: Mästersven Per Beckman and his wife Anna Maja Persdotter, dräng Carl Köhler, pig Greta Lisa Andersdotter at Gryts Nedre Bruk.  
 
Bo AI:5 p 82 Gryts Nedre Bruk:  
Mäster=Mastersmith Anders Beckman b 1740 Bo
W. Maria Nilsdotter b 1732 Lerbäck? (T)
D. Greta Lisa b 1772 Bo
Mäster Per Beckman b 1764 Bo
W. Anna Maja Persdotter b 1764 Hällestad
+ children
 
at last... Mästersven Jan=Johan Hermansson b 1759 Hällestad (E)
W. Anna Stina Beckman b 1760 Bo
S. Anders b 1786-01-06 Bo
D. Anna Maja b 1790  
S. Petter b 1792  
D. Greta b 1795  
 
I have not gone further on this line due to lack of time...but I have a feeling I know where this will continue. I think it is a long line of blacksmiths called Hermansson/Schult. If you want I can check this out at another time? Remember that all dates in the householdrecords (named A)can be incorrect. The dates in the birthbooks (C) are nearly always correct.
 
Here a some information about Axel Teodor Andersson...
 
Tjällmo C:6 p 388 *1852-02-23 Axel Teodor (from Hult) Married dräng Anders Larsson and his wife Lovisa Jaensdotter (25 yrs).  
 
Tjällmo AI:10 p 20 Hult:  
Married dräng Anders Larsson b 1815-11-16 Hällestad (E) married 1850.
W. Lovisa Jaensdotter b 1826-06-02 Kristberg (E)
S. Axel Teodor b 1852-02-23 Tjällmo.  
 
The family moves in 1852 to the farm Egelstorp, 1855 to the farm Risa, 1861 to the farm Vik?, here I have lost them...
 
My husband is born and raised in Tjällmo and has a lot of ancestors in this area. We live 35 km south of Tjällmo in the city of Motala. If you have any questions about Tjällmo, I will try to answer them if I can.
 
Best regards
 
Britt-Marie

[Britt-Marie Waller]

To Steve Brien: Hi again Steve and thanks for your e-mail! You told me that you also got confused by the wrong birthdates you had received on Rosina Vilhemina...
 
Here are some information about your MMMM, Adolfina Herrman b 1824-05-29 Karstorp, Hällestad (E). She died in 1871-12-23 at Markstorp, Markebo properties, Tjällmo (E) at the age of 47 by pulmonary consumption. Your MMM Rosina Vilhemina was only 17 years old then.  
 
Rosinas father Carl Johan Olofsson b 1828-11-06 Svalnäs utjord, Fröjdeholmen, Tjällmo (E) remarried in 1875-02-19 in Tjällmo. He married the widow Anna Maja Persdotter b 1826-05-06 Kristberg (E). She had earlier lived with her husband....Möller in the parish of Ljung (E). In 1884 the new family is said to move to Kristberg parish. I have looked for them in the movingrecords without finding them. Perhaps I can look which farm Anna Maja was born on in Kristberg and find them there?
 
About the line with blacksmiths I will have to look once again at the records. There are often the wrong dates in the parishrecords when people are said to be born in 1759 or earlier...I will get back to you later with more information.
 
Best regards
 
Britt-Marie