Mother & son comments in Hfl records - help please

[Kathryn Stone]

Mother:  Anna Stina Carlsdotter, born Vist, 1825 Jan 08
Son:  Frans August, born Klockrike, 1856 Jun 17 > GID 318.30.31900 [Ö] Klockrike, C:6, Births 1851-1860, page 29
 
I would appreciate some help with reading / translating some notations regarding Anna Stina Carlsdotter and her son Frans August, born out-of-wedlock. Anna Stina worked as a piga and moved around very frequently. After the birth of her son Frans, it seems that she does not have him with her as she moves around from job to job.  She is listed as alone in all the Inflyttning/Utflyttning records and in all the Husförhör records. There is almost always something written in her Anmärkningar column that seems to relate to her having a son. [Note: she also had a son oäkta in 1853 who died immediately after birth.] Then in the 1867 Törnevalla Utflyttning records, she is heading for Norrkoping and now she has her son with her.
 
   • Do any of the comments explain who is caring for her son Frans?  
   • His birth record seems to name a father, though they never marry, and are not together afterwards. Could the son be with him?  
   • There are two times when she has moved to a new place, and is listed in the Hfl records, but leaves again after 1 or 2 weeks to work elsewhere. There are also several times where she stays only 6 months. I thought all changing jobs and moving around was done only once a year and in the fall. So is this unusual? Is there a typical explanation?
 
   • And, lastly, is there any way you can help me find her in Norrkoping? There is no specific location listed, and way too many possibilities for me to just start paging through them all to find her.
 
Here I have listed only some of the Husförhör records where she is listed with comments:
  1. GID 318.19.10100, [Östergötland] Klockrike, AI:11, Hfl, 1856-1860, page 69, address Stora Berga Askegård > She is listed on the line second from the bottom.  
  2. GID 416.19.3500, [Östergötland] Värna, AI:11, Hfl, 1862-1870, page 115, address Herresäter > Line 13.
  3. GID 393.37.4800, [Östergötland] Tjärstad, AI:13B, Hfl, 1861-1866, page 271, address Opphem Storgård > Line 17.
  4. GID 411.41.2900, [Östergötland] Vreta Kloster, AI:17, Hfl, 1862-1866, page 107, address Bergs Norrgård > Line 16.
  5. GID 399.26.2810, [Östergötland] Törnevalla, AI:10B, Hfl, 1861-1865, page 109, address Stratomta > Line 4.
  6. GID 399.27.4830, [Östergötland] Törnevalla, AI:11, Hfl, 1866-1870, page 353, address Stratomta > Line 14.
 
I apologize for this very long entry/question. I wanted to provide as much information as I could. Assistance with any part of this would be very much appreciated. The Anbytarforum community has always been so good to me, and I am eternally grateful.
Kathryn

[Mats Ahlgren]

They both move from Klockrike to Ljung in 1859  Klockrike BI:3 (1846-1870) Bild 43 / sid 77 (AID: v38186.b43.s77, NAD: SE/VALA/00184)
 
Moving in to Ljung,  Ljung BI:3 (1826-1860) Bild 84 / sid 163 (AID: v38901.b84.s163, NAD: SE/VALA/00226)
 
In the hfl Ljung AI:10 (1861-1865) Bild 231 / sid 220 (AID: v27078.b231.s220, NAD: SE/VALA/00226) he is fosterson and the same goes for Ljung AI:11 (1866-1870) Bild 232 / sid 222 (AID: v27079.b232.s222, NAD: SE/VALA/00226) untill 1867 when he moves to Törnevalla. A note say that Inackorderad i Linköping, Bevis till Nattvardsgång ?? 19/10 1870
 
The nores for Anna Stian say that she has a son living in Ljung

[Mats Ahlgren]

Perhaps you can follow her inte opposit direction from 1880 Census 1880 show this person, might be the same as above.
 
Namn:  Anna Stina Carlsdotter  
Hemförsamling:  Wårdnäs  
Hemort:  Bållebo  
Kontrakt:  Kinda  
Län:  Östergötland  
Födelseår:  1825  
Födelseförsamling:  Vist Östergötlands län  
Civilstånd:  Gift (G)  
Kön:  Kvinna  
Familjeställning:  h.  
Famstkod:  Mor/fru (M)  
Familj nr:  1  
Sida:  6    
Rad:  47    
 
 
She is married to Gustaf Tollbom

[Mats Ahlgren]

And this might be the son from census 1880
 
Om personen  
Namn:  Frans August Karlsson  
Hemförsamling:  Jakob och Johannes rote 8  
Hemort:  Snickaren N:o 4  
Kontrakt:  Stockholm  
Län:  Stockholms stad  
Födelseår:  1856  
Födelseförsamling:  Klockrike Östergötlands län  
Yrke:  Skoarbetare  
Civilstånd:  Ogift (O)  
Kön:  Man  
Famstkod:  Ensamstående (E)  
Familj nr:  1  
Sida:  176    
Rad:  44

[Kathryn Stone]

Mats,
Thank you! Your information was a big help. Working backwards, I did find a bit more information on Anna Stina, and going forward found that she lived only 2 years past the 1880 census listing that you found.
 
Now I am curious about the shoemaker who took Frans August in at the age of 4 as a fosterson . . .  would he have been family? did Anna Stina give up her custody of the child?  
 
And if I haven't worn you out yet :-) ,  
can you tell me what is written in the comments column for Frans August Carlsson in these Hfl records?
1.  Hfl Ljung, AI:11(1866-1871), page 222 (334.24.7100), line 4
2.  Hfl Ljung, AI:12(1871-1877), page 216 (334.25.38900), line 4
3.  Hfl Viby, AI:8(1869-1875), page 236 (407.19.37400), line 9
4.  Hfl Viby, AI:9(1875-1882), page 238 (407.21.6500), line 17
 
Again, I thank you very sincerely for your help,
Kathryn

[Mats Ahlgren]

Hi
 
the 4 lines with comments
 
1. Se föregående husf sid 220 (See the household eamination before this page 220  Ljung AI:10 (1861-1865) Bild 231 / sid 220 )
The line below:  Inackorderad i Linköping, Bevis till Nattvardsgång ?? 19/10 1870 . Boarding in Linköping. Certificate for  the Holy Communion ?? 19/10 1870
 
2. Not sure, but it seems like he got some sort of certificate 30/1874 to go to Norrköping, can't read more.
 
3  Certificate of 30/10 75 for enrolling with Gardet(?)  (regiment)
 
4 Same as 3
 
Regarding fosterson, will see what can be found (or perrhaps someone else can answer)

[Bo Johansson]

Gardet is probably a Life Guards regiment in Stockholm, they had full-time enrolled (värvade) soldiers.
 
// Bo Johansson

[Kathryn Stone]

Mats and Bo,
Thank you for your translations. Of course, it leads me to having many more questions  . . .  sorry.
 
1. Under what kind of circumstances does boarding in Linkoping make sense? [he was about 14 years old]  
 
2. Would he have been confirmed at the same time as receiving his certificate for Holy Communion?
 
3. How long would he have been obligated to serve as a Gardet/soldier? Do I understand correctly that he volunteered to be in the Gardet, rather than wait to be drafted into military service of another kind? What do Gardet soldiers do?
 
And  . . .  does it make sense for me to continue these questions here? or should I start a new inquiry?
 
Tack så mycket,
Kathryn

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[Bo Johansson]

Kathryn:
 
1. Apprenticeship, education, or...
 
2. The certificate was probably so he could take first communion.
 
3. The regular army was manned by the allotment system, where the (volunteer) soldiers lived in the soldier cottages spread around the parishes. Some regiments, artillery and life guards, were värvade (enrolled), with full-time paid soldiers.
The conscripts (beväringen) did two short training periods, and could then be mobilized as a reserve for the regular army if there was war. But here wasn't...
 
The Guard regiments had their own parishes in Stockholm.
 
I see moving-in number 82, 2 Nov 1875, Frans August Karlsson born 1856-06-17 Klockrike, coming from Wiby Östergötland, father's profession carpenter, recruit's profession shoe-worker, unmarried, moving to v.Rosen's company.
GID 2725.6.21300, [Stockholm] Göta Livgarde, BI.2, Moving in, 1840-1876, Image 112 of 120.
 
Military info here:
 http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/swegen.htm
 
// Bo Johansson
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Bojoha 2012-04-16 13:20)
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Bojoha 2012-04-16 13:21)

[Kathryn Stone]

Bo -
As always, I cannot thank you enough for all your help.  
I am going to move on now to the next leaf on the family tree, though I am still hoping to hear back about fosterson arrangements/relationships.  I actually have several people in the family who have had fosterson written before their names at some point.
 
Kathryn

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Kathryn,
 
Foster children relationships are not specifically mentioned in the following link, but the sections for Rotehjonsystemet and (especially)Utackordering might interest you.
 
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~swewgw/Fact/Cult/facCulSoc01.htm
 
My farmors mormor (father's mother's mother's mother) and her siblings had to live as roteflicka (rote girl) and rotegosse (rote boy) when their mother died. (Their father had disappeared a few years earlier. I haven't been able to find him.) Each year they were in a different place. Their parents were married.)
 
My farmors far (father's mother's father) was a foster child with unknown parents, and stayed with the same family until he was old enough to go out on his own. When he married his second wife in the U.S., he named those foster parents as his own but they were not, of course.
 
My farmor and her siblings were foster children also. Their father had gone to the U.S. and their mother died. They lived with different foster families and two of the three stayed with those families until they grew up. (The foster parents of my farmor paid for her wedding, so they cared about her.) My farmors sister had two foster families. The wife in the first family died and then she was taken in by the family of her mother's sister.
 
Judy

[Kathryn Stone]

Judy,
 
Thank you for the information, the rootsweb article was helpful.
Your personal stories were also very interesting  -  and it was so very kind of you to share them,
 
Kathryn