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2009-04-27, 00:03
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Utloggad Art Berggreen

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I believe that this section is for illegitimate births.
I'd like help reading and translating #3 in 1728, the
birth of son Hans to Nils Bargren.
 
Thanks for any help,
Art

2009-04-27, 12:07
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GID 2712.37.96900, [Stockholm] Svea Livgarde, C.1, Births,Baptisms, 1717-1735, page 307.
 
It seems to be an illegitimate birth, birth (or baptism?) date 17 Oct 1728
Child's name: Hans
Father: the grenadier of Captain Wrangel's company Nils Bergren.
Mother: Maria Persdotter.
Remark: Bergren (the father?) received permission to take Maria Persdotter as his wife [sentence I can't read], moved to page 189.
Witnesses: ??? ??? Anders Joensson, wife Catharina Brunberg.
 
Their marriage is on page 39 (GID 2712.37.84000), 1st marriage of 1729.
 
// Bo Johansson

2009-04-27, 20:19
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Bo, thanks!
 
I looked on, and near, page 189, but could not find any notes about this birth.  Was this more just to note that the birth had been legitimized?
 
I'm trying to establish that this Nils Bargren is the same that married Christina Lind in May 1728 (GID 2712.37.96900, 5 May 1728).  Christina Lind died in Jul 1728 (GID 2712.37.93200, 6 Jul 1728).  Then illegitimate birth of son Hans occurs in Oct 1728 (GID 2712.37.96900, 17 Oct 1728).  Then Nils Bargren marries Maria Persdotter in Jan 1729 (GID 2712.37.84000).  About the same time the son Hans dies (GID 2712.37.93300, 3 Jan 1729 - assuming error in father's name).  Finally another son also named Hans is born in Apr 1730 (GID 2712.37.94500, 1 Apr 1730).  I believe that the second Hans is my ancestor.
 
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2009-04-28, 19:37
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GID should be 2712.37.84000 for banns read 5 May 1728:
 
The grenadier at captain Wrangel's company Nils Hansson(??) Bargren and maid Christina Lind, married 26 May.
 
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GID 2712.37.93200, Christina Lind, wife of grenadier Hans Bargren of captain Wrangel's company.
 
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GID 2712.37.96900, Hans born or baptised 17 Oct 1728, see prevoius posting from me.
 
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GID 2712.37.84000, marriage of the grenadier of Captain Wrangel's company Nils Bargren and his fiancee Maria Persdotter.
 
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GID 2712.37.93300, death or burial 3 jan 1729 of Hans, son of grenadier Hans Bargren of captain Wrangel's company.
 
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GID 2712.37.94500, birth or baptism 1 Apr 1730 of Hans, son of the grenadier of Captain Wrangel's company Nils Bargren and his wife Maria Persdotter.
 
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Since there should not be more than one soldier with the same surname in a company, this is probably the same man. Perhaps the name confusion Nils/Hans comes from the man being named Nils Hansson Bargren? If that is the name in the 1728 marriage record...
 
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2009-04-28, 19:41
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BTW, page 189 might refer to som other book , perhaps a HFL book that has not been preserved.
 
// Bo Johansson

2009-04-28, 20:24
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Thanks Bo!
 
This is pretty much what I've been assuming.
 
It appears that his patronymic name was Nils Hansson, particularly since he named his first son Hans (commonly after paternal grandfather).  Is it likely that he added the surname Bargren upon joining the military?  Unfortunately, Nils Hansson is probably very common, and so far I've gotten no clue where he came from.  Is Bargren just a variation in spelling from the more common Berggren, or is there any chance that Bargren has more significance?  His son Hans Bargren becomes a comb maker and over the years changes his last name to Berggren.
 
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