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Författare Ämne: Unknown place in Värmland  (läst 925 gånger)

2003-12-08, 04:38
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I need help deciphering what I think is a place name, probably in Värmland.
 
In the early 1760s, some of my ancestors lived in Gustås, Arvika (S). The father died in 1763 and the rest of the family moved elsewhere around 1764. The HFL entry for 1760-64 contains the following notation:
 

 
I am assuming this refers to a place. It is written in such a way to indicate maybe the whole family moved there. It could just be where one of the family relocated. In either case, it would help to know what is the place name (it is written indistinctly) and where is it? This is my only clue as to any of their whereabouts until about 1774.
 
In case it helps, the HFL entry is Arvika AI:1, 1760-64, page 48. Genline ID 463.51.72800.
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
Jeff

2003-12-08, 08:33
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Bo Johansson

Fröjel?
 
But Fröjel is a parish on the island Gotland, so perhaps it isn't Fröjel.
 
// Bo Johansson

2003-12-08, 10:02
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Hi Jeff, I could not make out the place either, but checked the name Hellgren in the history of the Karlstad diocese (Karlstads stifts Herdaminne), and found in volume 3, page 329, that Robert Niclas Hellgren was married to Cajsa Greta Ramsell.  
 
Their daughter Brita Maria (born abt 1732, died 1775 May 7 in Ny) in her first marriage was married to Daniel Olavi Eklund, parish priest of Gunnarskog and Ny, born 1708 Sep.16, died 1760 May 4 in Gunnarskog. She married 2nd 1764 March 21 in Jösse Ny parish to the forest warden Carl Rytting, born in 1727, died in Jösse Ny in 1770 March 6.  
 
So when the mother became a widow, she might have moved in with her daughter in Ny, perhaps.

2003-12-08, 20:18
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Bo, Elisabeth:
 
Thanks for your comments. I didn't want to bias anyone by initially giving my guesses about the name. The handwriting is comparatively good for its day but this bit is rather faint in the original. I think it's likely the last three letters are 'jel'. The first letter is, I think, 'F', 'J' or maybe 'T'. The remaining two or three letters are the question.
 
Whatever it is, no parish in Sweden seems to match. Nor does it seem to be any place (on the HFL list) in Arvika. The writer seems familiar with it so probably it is close, perhaps in a neighboring parish? I haven't yet scanned all the town lists.
 
Elisabeth, your guess about Ny is quite plausible. R. N. Hellgren and family lived in Ny (Prästgard & Stommen) around 1750-55, before moving to Arvika. Twins, C. Friedr. and Maria E., and a son, Carl, were born in Ny in 1750 and 1752. I am related to one of the sons, Claes Friedr. Hellgren. There is conflicting and inconsistent birth information about CFH in later years and about the two sons above, so I am not certain which person I am related to(probably the older one). I hope locating the family after 1763 will help clarify things. More about the family is discussed at 'Värmland:Efterlysningar:Hellgren,Maria Elisabet född i Arvika 1750-06-18.'
 
MVH,
Jeff

2003-12-08, 21:36
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Could it be Trysil in Norway? It was not unusual that people in Värmland moved there.

2003-12-08, 21:49
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I guess the place mentioned is Trangärd in Grava
parish, Värmland. Written in old local dialect
this would be Tranjel.
Kenneth L. Mangskog

2003-12-09, 04:07
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To all who offered help I give my sincere thanks.
 
Kenneth: You were exactly right! However, it was only one daughter, Sarah Beata, who went to Trangärd, Grava, not the whole family. The line, '1764 i Tranjel' was written next to her name. So, one mystery is solved but not the most important one for me. I also find that there is no HFL for Ny between 1750 and 1772 so that makes the search harder.
 
Thank you again,
Jeff

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