Translation help, Stina Jonsdotter

[Barbara Dilling]

I have been following Stina Jönsdotter born 1766 in Hånger, Jönköping.  There are no birth records in Hånger for 1766, so I began looking at the Household Examination and Communion records.  I found the only Stina born 30 June 1766 in the Hånger communion record 264.5; A1:2; 1754-1768; Household Examination Communion  33400  0/273.  Her parents are Jöns born 14 February 1728 and Ingrid born 11 September 1722.  I next found Christina with her family on Wasabron (farm)  264.5; A1:2; 1754-1768 Household Examination 30800  0/221.  On the 1772-1788  Household Examination record  59200  0/159 for Hånger, Stina Jönsdotter is a maid in Mon???  Record:  Hånger 264.5; A1:2; 1787-1792 Household Examination 39200  0/389, there is a note on page 389  9/26  1790........I cannot read the note.    The Hånger  record:  264.6:  A1:3;  1790-1804  Household Examination 44500  0/39, there is an utflytta note 1789 with a destination that I cannot translate.  I would be grateful for any help with these translations.

[Ivar Gustavsson]

Barbara,
 
Stina Jönsdotter is first maid in Prästtorp (your ref 59200 0/159 for Hånger). She moved 1789 (your ref 44500 0/39) to the parish Dannäs (Dannäs Herregård). See GID 216.2.116600 for Dannäs Household Examination 1789-1804. Your ref 39200 0/389 says got migration certificate for .... Unfortunately I cannot interpret the name of the place.
 
Ivar
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av ivar_gustavsson 2009-10-06 07:42)

[Barbara Dilling]

Thank you Ivar.  I know that Stina Jonsdotter eventually married Carl Gustaf Casparsson, and they have a son born in Agunnaryd.  The family later moves to Pjatteryd,.  Now I have the missing link.

[Barbara Dilling]

On Hånger, Jönköping 264.5; 1782-1792 Household Examination 39200  0/389, there are two entries for Stina Jönsdotter 1766:  one in the middle of the page with 9/26 and one at the bottom of the page.  Perhaps she left and came back to the same farm.  Can you tranlate the middle note after 9/26?  
 
I still have not been able to find a marriage record for Stina Jönsdotter 1766 and Carl Gustaf Casparsson 1771 (Lekaryd) .  I have checked Hånger, Dannäs, and Agunnaryd, where their son Magnus is born 25 December 1800.  
 
 Thanks again for your help.  Barb

[Ivar Gustavsson]

This is the note where I cannot read or guess the name of the parish or place. May be someone else can help.
From 264.5.39200, Hånger,  AI:2, Husförhör, 1787 - 1792, sida 389, bild 199:    

/Ivar

[Ivar Gustavsson]

Stina Jönsdotter was married to (servant) Carl Gustaf Casparsson 1797-09-24 in the parish Södra Ljunga. They were living in Grimmarp and Carl Gustaf is said to come from Ryssby parish. GID 834.15.81800-81900
/Ivar
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av ivar_gustavsson 2009-10-06 11:16)

[Bo Johansson]

The remark is probably fått attest til (received certificate to ).
 
I don't know what the place could be. Frylöfs??
 
// Bo Johansson

[Bo Nordenfors]

Fryele,  maybe.

[Barbara Dilling]

Thank you all for the translation help.  I am away from home at present, but will check these sources out next week.  Bo:  Fryele makes sense.  Thanks to all.  Barb

[Barbara Dilling]

I printed the marriage record for Stina Jonsdotter and Carl Gustaf Casparsson.  The marriage record begins on p. 414 (bottom of the page September 24, 1797) and continues on p. 415...reference:  834.15.81800-81900 Södra Ljunga parish.  Can anyone give me a summary translation on the top of p. 415.  Were these witnesses to the marriage?  This marriage record seems unusually long.  Although the record says Carl Casparsson was from Ryssby parish, he was actually born in Lekaryd (Kronoberg) 10 August 1771.

[Bo Johansson]

Sep 24, 1797
The bachelor Carl Gustaf Casparsson of Grimmarp and maid Stina Jönsdotter of the same place, were married
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Carl G. Casparsson, having come from Ryssby parish, have handed in certificate, issued by Mr. Pastor And.(?) Kohen(??), the 21st July 1797, with which is stated, that since he had been betrothed to maid Ingrid Christophersdotter of Ryatorp in Ryssby parish, had shown the required extract from the protocol, from Växjö Domcapitel (Cathedral Court) the 22nd June , regarding the dissolution of the betrothal, was no other concerning him marriage union known, than the one he had entered with Stina Jönsdotter.
She came from Dannäs(?) parish to Ljunga parish, provided with priest's certificate, issued at Bolmsö(?), the 25th Sep 1793, about being free to marry, and also handed in certificate, issued at Rånger(?), the 28th July 1797 by vice Pastor and Comminister (assistant priest) Mr. Mårten Bolmgren, that her mother, the widow Ingrid Persdotter of Wasabron(?), declared her unconstrained consent to this marriage.
 
// Bo Johansson

[Barbara Dilling]

Wow!  This is a real surprise.  Somehow I didn't think that marriage dissolutions took place that long ago.  Thanks Bo.

[Anna-Carin Betzén]

Barbara,  
 
It doesn't sound like a dissolved marriage to me, just a broken engagement (betrothal). (As his engagement to Ingrid Christophersdotter was broken, he was free to marry Stina Jönsdotter.)

[Barbara Dilling]

Thank you Anna-Carin.  I now understand the betrothal was broken.  I didn't realize a broken betrothal would have to go to a Domcapitel (Cathedral Court).

[Anna-Carin Betzén]

You're right that there's a bit more to it than my reply suggested.
 
You could say the betrothal (trolovning) was the original form of marriage in Sweden; it pre-dates the church ceremony and during a long transition period both were valid (though the clergy lobbied for the church ceremony to be the one that really counted).  
 
Over time, the trolovning became more like an engagement, though retaining some of its legal implications up to around 1900, or even longer. E.g., a child born during the trolovning wasn't quite considered illegitimate. So in the countryside people might move in together after the betrothal, and marry months or years later. Sort of like having a civil ceremony at one point, and a church ceremony much later.  
 
BTW, there aren't records of betrothals like there are of weddings, it was more of an agreement between the families - and eventually just between the individuals, like an engagement today.
 
I don't know if the Cathedral Court was always involved in breaking a trolovning. It would be interesting to know whether Ingrid Christophersdotter became pregnant. My guess is that if a child had been conceived during the betrothal, it would've made it more like a divorce case than a broken engagement, as this would've been proof of them having lived together, but then I'm just speculating.

[Barbara Dilling]

Thank you for your insights Anna-Carin.  Your historical perspective is very interesting.