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Författare Ämne: Parish record for Elin Maria Gustafsson  (läst 2804 gånger)

2008-08-18, 16:10
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My grandmother Elin Maria Gustafsson was born 22 Dec 1893 in Katrina forsamling in Stockholm  Her father was Karl Erik Helge Gustafsson born 2 Jan 1871 in Sct Olai in Oster Gotland.  How do I find her birth record.  Thank you for your help.  English is preferred but I do read Danish.

2008-08-18, 17:45
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This is very strange:  
Elin Maria born 22 dec 1893 in Katarina is born at the Southern delivery hospital. She is listed in their books, in the Katarina parish birth register (picture 00006809_00162 SVAR data base, page 120) as the illegitimate daughter of Selma Amalia Björnström, in the birth registers (both) she is said to be 19 years old. She lives at Hammarbygatan 13. The Stockholm rotemansarkiv (population register) shows Elin Maria as a foster daughter to Karl Oskar Kummelin and his wife in Katarina parish. Elin stays there for 5 years and is then registered as moving to Norrköping Hedvig parish on 8 Nov 1898. The mother is said to be Selma Amalia Björnström born 19 Aug 1852(!), probably misread in the records.
 
Hedvig parish does not have the moving in records on-line for 1898 so I have not been able to check if Elin is the right Elin, but in the 1900 census Elin Maria born 1893 in Katarina is living in St Olai parish in Norrköping with father Karl Erik Helge Gustafsson and mother Hulda Josefina Karlsson (from Hedvig parish). She is noted as their daughter before marriage. They live in the Klockan quarter of Norrköping. Hopefully, someone has access to the books and can show if this Elin is the right Elin.
 
Selma Amalia Björnström is in the 1890 census:
 
Post 72923
 
Björnström, Selma Amalia
Städerska (cleaner)
 
f. 1874 i Stockholm (Stockholms stad)
 
Ogift kvinna, ensam i familjen (unmarried)
 
Masken N:o 6
Katarina rote 14 (Stockholms stad, Uppland)
 
Födelseort i källan: St.
 
She may be married in 1900, and in that case no surname is given so I cannot be sure.

2008-08-18, 17:52
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The population registers in Stockholm (rotemansarkivet) tell me that Selma Amalia lived with the Kummelin family from 3 Oct 1893 to 20 Dec 1897, that is also where her daughter was. She then married Gustaf Emanuel Sköld Andersson in about 1898. That is when Elin is sent to Norrköping. So, assuming that Elin Maria is the right one, was Karl Erik Helge the father? But he and his wife took her as theirs? Unfortunatel I cannot prove this without the books for Norrköping.
 
Karl Erik and family (a son has been born 17 May 1901, Sven Helge) emigrate to Århus, Denmark from Norrköping Matteus parish 29 April 1904.
 
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2008-08-18, 18:13
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Hello Eivor and Chris!
 
Karl Erik Helge Gustafsson was born 1871-01-02 in S:t Olai (city of Norrköping) SCB S:t Olai GID 100005.41.49100 - parents were Frans Erik Gustafsson born 1845-11-28 Vadstena, Östergötland and Klara Johanna Knut born 1850-01-03 Styrstad, Östergötland. Frans Erik was working at the Holmen company factory as a tygmätare (measuring textile?). They lived at the Hornet qvarter in S:t Olai AI:100 (1888-1894) page 140, GID 346.162.1100.
 
 
Karl Erik Helge Gustafsson moves to Kungsholm, Stockholm 1891-05-09 according to this parishrecord. The parents move to page 86 1894 (to the next book).
 
In the 1890 census there is the wrong year of birth on Karl Erik Helge, he is said to be born 1872 instead of 1871. The correct year is 1871 as you can see above.
 
Perhaps Chris can find him in Stockholm, that is not my area at all...
 
This is a picture from the parishrecord mentioned above:


 
 
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2008-08-18, 18:22
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Karl Erik Helge Gustafsson is found as a sailor in the Navy, Skeppsholm parish, in Stockholm. He came there from Norrköping June 9, 1891 and returned home April 14, 1896.
(Skeppsholm parish records 1885-1896 AIIa:30 p. 119, 1896-1903 AIIa:34 p. 24)
 
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2008-08-18, 18:36
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Elin´s foster father Kummelin is also a sailor, but presumably a merchant navy one. So, it is feasible that Elin is Karl´s daughter with Selma Amalia? Assuming that it is the same Elin Maria, but I think it is.
 
 
(Britt-Marie, I do not know how you can find people in the Norrköping husförhör so quickly, Norrköping is a big mess to me!).

2008-08-18, 19:15
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The fosterfather Karl Oskar Kummelin was probably a relation of Selma Amalia's. He was married to Charlotta Carolina ne Wiberg/Viberg, born 1849, Maria parish Stockhom. Selma Amalia's mother was Selma Maria Björnström ne Wiberg/Viberg born 1851, also in Maria parish Stockholm. The father was Nils Bengtsson Björnström born 1847, Boda parish Värmland. As a widow the grandmother Selma Maria lives in the Kummelin household.
 
There are some notes about the Björnström family being poor and that the father was drinking (www.ssa.stockholm.se).
 
Between 1891 and 1896 Karl Erik Helge Gustafsson is living in Stockholm, Skeppsholmen parish. In 1896 he moves back to Norrköping according to the same records.
 
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2008-08-18, 19:30
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Yes, one Björnström daughter was taken into care and then died 15 years of age from nephritis. The son was in prison in 1902, but then seems to have managed his life as far as it is possible to follow him (1910). They repeatedly get vouchers for food and for firewood. Anothe daughter also lives with the aunt Kummelin for a while.

2008-08-18, 19:46
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Karl Erik Helge Gustafsson and his family is found in Norrköping Matteus parish records 1901-1905 AIIaa:6 p. 548. block Valnöten, address Sandgatan 4,6,8. They moved in Oct 30, 1901 from Norrköping S:t Olai.
His wife Hulda Josefina Karlsson was born Dec 6, 1874 in Norrköping Hedvig. They were married Aug 1, 1896.  
Children:
D. Elin Maria (legalized) 93 22/12 Stockholm Katarina
S. Sven Helge 01 17/5 S:t Olai

 
June 29, 1904 the family moved to Århus, Denmark.
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2008-08-18, 20:03
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Elin Maria is noted in Katarina parish migration roll Nov 9, 1898 as leaving for Norrköping.
 
Her mother Selma Amalia Björnström b. June 4, 1874 in  Maria Magdalena parish, Stockholm, and shoe facory worker Gustaf Emanuel Andersson Sköld b. Sep 18, 1874 in Örebro, were married Dec 16, 1898 in Maria Magdalena (EIII:5 p. 153).
Children, all born in Maria Magdalena:
D. Elna Linnéa b. Feb 24, 1899
S. Nils Gösta b. Sep 8, 1903
S. Sven Einar b. Aug 22, 1905
 
The family moved to Uppsala in December 1906.
 
(Rotemansarkivet, a population register of Stockholm city 1878-1926)
 
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2008-08-18, 21:52
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So, Elin was legalized as their child, not only his? There was no note in the birth book in Stockholm.

2008-08-18, 22:17
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I would think she was legalized as his child. Probably his faderskapserkännande (acknowledgment of paternity?) can be found in Hedvig or S:t Olai parish records after 1898, yet not available online.
 
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2008-08-19, 17:27
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Thank you for all of your information.  This is just what I have been looking for, my aunt in Danmark does have the ancestry on the Gustafsson side but not Selma Amilia. My records show that Karl Gustafsson moved to Danmark in 1902.  Thank you so much for your time and consideration.

2008-08-20, 22:01
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I subscribed to Genline.  Is there anyway that I can get a copy of the birth record of Elin Maria Gustafsson.  I did not find it in Katarina Stockholm on Genline.  I did print out the records of her father Karl Erik and I would like to print out the record of her mother Selma Amalia, but can not find that either.  Any help would be great!!  Again its amazing the information that you sent me.  Thank you
 
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2008-08-20, 22:21
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Eivor,
I will send you the copies.
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2008-08-20, 22:42
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2008-08-21, 21:39
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I tried looking for Nils Bingtsson Björnström on Genlin and think I found him GID 466.13.71800 in July right side bottom. But on ssa.stockholm.se it says that he is born Jul 4, 1847. I see him at Jul 24, 1847??Would you translate for me please. Thank you. I have also tried to find  Selma Amalia Björnström/Viberg and her  parents but could not. With them I will have all my ancestry that I need. The Swedish side as been easier than the Danish side and I read Danish!!

2008-08-21, 23:03
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Eivor,
If you look again at www.ssa.stockholm.se you'll see that Nils Björnström is listed as being born on both dates, 4th and 24th of July. Probably a missread of the date.
 
[from] Takenetorp: Bengt Jansson h.(wife) Cathrina Olsd[otter]
[witnesses] Olof Andersson h.(wife) Maria Olsd[otter] ibm (ibidem = same place).
 
It's Selma MARIA Björnström who was born Wiberg. Her parents were Lars Wilhelm Wiberg and Christina Charlotta Lindqvist. In 1855 they had three children: Selma Maria, Charlotta Carolina and Laurentius Johan. They lived in Maria norra (north) and the father was a tower guard. Look them up in the Register till mantalslängder at ssaa.
 
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2008-08-21, 23:31
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Thank you, thank you.  I have been looking up so many records!!  I appreciate the help. What is ssaa? and where to I find it.  
 
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2008-08-22, 09:21
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2008-08-22, 19:16
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Thank you,   I am having trouble finding the family in 1855.  It seems all I have to search with is Roterman and the Stockholm register where I did find Lars Wiberg born in 1814.  Would you be be kind enough to guide me through it.  
With kind regards
 
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2008-08-23, 16:43
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Eivor,
 
At www.ssa.stockholm.se click on:
 
Använd arkiven (at top of page)
Sökvägar (left)
Register till mantalsböcker (left)
Sök i registren för åren 1800-1881 (right) or below
Sök i registret för år 1855  
 
The year 1855 includes whole households (children) and birth dates.
 
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2008-08-23, 17:46
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Thank you--I think I am finally understanding.  The family  has the same reference number.   Thank you for your help.
 
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2008-08-23, 17:54
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Lars Wilhelm Wiberg is in the 1845 mantal register, he says he is a shoe worker and married to Chrstina Charlotta Österlund!  She is born 28 Dec 1821. (From the original form submitted by Lars Wiberg). In 1870 the son, Laurentius is living as lodger with the family and is bell ringer at Maria Magdalena church. The 2 daughters are living with their parents.
 
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2008-08-23, 19:46
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That is interesting and confusing.  I am not able to find their biths record on Genlin. I looked at Maria Parish, Stockholm for Selma Maria, Charlotta and Laurentius for the years 1845-1851 but could not find them.
 
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2008-08-23, 20:52
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Eivor,
 
You'll find them all in the alphabetical register GID 2700.38. Selma Maria was child number 26 born in 1851.
 
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2008-08-23, 22:18
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Thank you I found them all in the register.  Do I use this information to find their parish records? Selma Maria #26, Charlotta #1 and Laurentius #101??  I think what I am trying to find is the parents of Lars Wilhelm Wiberg and his wife Christina Charlotta Lindqvist or Österlund!  See Chris Bingefors name above.  
 
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2008-08-23, 22:34
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In the original document for the 1835 tax census in Stockholm (Mantal), Christina Charlotta Österlund born 28 Dec 1828 is living with her family:
 
Simon Fredrick Österlund b 5 Sept 1783 (I think the yera is 1783)
 
Wife Margreta Christina b 7 Oct 1800
 
Son Carl Victor b 21 Feb 1828
 
The father is a brandvakstsoldat (fire watchman)
 
They live in Maria parish

2008-08-23, 22:54
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In 1845 the wife of Simon Österlund is given as:
 
Greta (=Margareta) Christina Lindqvist born Zettergren

2008-08-23, 23:26
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Thank you so much. I hope I found Cathrina Olsdotter on Genlin 466.12.59200 9 Jul 1804 No 19. Would you translate for me please. This would be Elin Maria Gustafsson Hinge's great grand mother and of course my great great grand mother.  I want to thank you for all your help. This has been a nice experience.
 
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2008-08-24, 09:06
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Eivor,
In the alphabetical register they don't repeat the year for every child. Charlotta being the first born has a year next to her name, 1849, but Laurentius is number 101 and you have to look at one of the previously born children before you find the year, which is 1845. With this information you can look them up in the birth records.
 
The text on birth nr 19, born or baptised 9 July:
Rinfors (place) ANNA
P (parents) Jan Jansson Finne, Cathrina Olsdr
T (witnesses) Jan Perss[on], Stina Nilsdr
 
... but I think you mean birth nr 21, born or baptised 8 July:
Taketorp (place) CATHRINA
P. Olof Olss[on], Britta Benctsdr (Bengtsdotter)
T. Benct Jonss[on], Marit Benctsdr
 
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2008-08-25, 00:52
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Thank you, yes I understand that and I did find the three children. Now I hope to find the marriage of Cathrina Olofsdotter and Bengts Jansson. I did find the death of Bengts Jansson GID 466.19.2000 for Feb 11 1850 I think.  Also the birth of Nils Bengtson 466.13.71800  
 Would you translate please. Any hints on finding their marriage. Thank you so much  for all your help.

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