Karlskrona stadsförs records

[Karen Norwillo]

I'm totally confused as to how to read their Genline Household Examination Rolls. I found what I believe to be the two Moving-In records that I need, but I can't figure out where in the village records to find them. GID: 1761.144.5900 for Cajsa Olsdotter in 1852 and 1761.145.47600 for Ingrid Maria Olsdotter in 1853. Their record seem to be set up very different from any others I've encountered. Can anyone help?

[Don Tuthill]

Hi Karen,
 
You can find Cajsa at GID: 1761.104.18300, page 185.
 
Ingrid Maria can be found at GID: 1761.107.32300, page 44.
 
Have a nice day!
 
Don

[Karen Norwillo]

Thank you so much Don. I was so confused with their household rolls. They had an alphabetical system that I'd not encountered before and I was completely baffeled as how to locate them. Hopefully I can figure it out. Karen

[Karen Norwillo]

OK, I give up. When the places are given,as for example, A, B, C+ a number, how do you know which household record to look in? On that GID 1761.130.31400 Ingrid Maria Olsdotter moved-out to Amt in 1856. Where is that? On 1761.104.22300 Kajsa Olsdotter moves out to Flackholm in 1853. Where is that? Why are the places in this parish given as letters instead of villages? I'm so glad other parishes didn't do this.

[Ingela Martenius]

But Karlskrona isn't a country parish. It's a town, founded in 1680 and historically quite important since it was vital to the Navy. And so the household rolls were differently organized. All towns had a system that differed from the country system; the towns used similar but not identical town systems. Many towns didn't note places (Karlskrona didn't); we have thus no idea where all these people lived.
Instead people were entered into the household rolls according to the last name of the head of the household. To be able to find people they were indexed at the start of each volume.
 
The letters, A/B/C etc refers to the volume, the actual physical book. Since town parishes were quite large they didn't fill just a single book but several. So in order to find people quicker, the volumes were designated volume A, volume B etc. And after the volume letter follows the page number. B:44 is thus volume B, page 44. The trick is however that in the 1856 migration record this actually refers to the 1851-55 household roll... Simply because the clerks hadn't had time to transfer everybody before they moved out.
Always check the previous volume when it's the first year of the next household roll (and the next volume if it's the last year of the previous household year).
 
And there they both are: Ingrid Maria Olsdotter, born 1831, and (her sister??) Kajsa Olsdotter, born 1833. B:44 - page 44 of the second volume of household rolls for 1851-55.
GID 1761.107.32300
 
Ingrid Maria moves to Amt. which is just short for Amiralitetsförsamlingen (the Admiralty parish), also in Karlskrona. However, most navy bases and town regiments had their own parish. These military parishes were always non-territorial, which is to say that you belonged to the military parish regardless of where you lived as long as you were employed (or even pensioned off) by the military.  
So Ingrid Maria either marries a navy man or goes to work for a navy family.
 
Kajsa doesn't move to Flackholm. She moves to Stockholm, the capital.
 
A little bit clearer?
Ingela

[Karen Norwillo]

Ingela,
  Yes, your explanation helps alot. These women are indeed sisters. They are the sisters of my maternal great-grandmother. I was able to trace the other sister Elin easily. Luckily she didn't move to Karlskrona. I have much information about my great-grandmother Anna Cecilia Olsdotter thanks to clues and help from the wonderful people here on Anbytarforum.
Karen

[Karen Norwillo]

I found Ingrid Maria's moving-in record GID: 1760.247.79900, but I don't see where she was going within the parish. I checked every household alphabetical list for 1856-1860, but didn't see her listed in the O's My Swedish is minimal, so I got the jist of what the moving-in document says and the fact that she came into the parish 2 Sept 1856. Any help appreciated. Karen

[Ingela Martenius]

Ingrid Maria isn't necessarily listed under O - she is, as I wrote earlier, listed under the last name of the head of the household. And she wasn't a head.
You've been looking at the actual certificates, but they rarely state where people are going to live (the exact place I mean), only where they came from. So, what you need is the migration roll, the index of the certificates, because that's where it's noted where she was going.
 
Ingela

[Ingela Martenius]

This is what the certificate (GID 1760.247.79900) says:
Pigan Ingrid Maria Olsdotter
hvars föräldrar äro Inhyses Ola Svens-
son och Stina Petersdr,
är född i Christianopel den 31ste
October 1831. /Trettio Ett/
Ankom år 1853 ifrån Söderåkra
flyttar nu till Kong Amts försam-
ling med vitsord om försvarlig chri-
stendomskunskap och god frejd.
Begick H. h. nattvard härstädes sed-
nast den 3/2 detta år.
Hon är till äktenskap ledig, har
haft vaccin koppor och är förelö-
pande året mantalsskrifven härstä-
des. Attesteras - Carlskrona den
2 september 1856.
signerat
 
Translated:
The maid Ingrid Maria Olsdotter
whose parents are tenants Ola Svens-
son and Stina Petersdr,
was born in Christianopel on the 31st
October 1831. /Thirty One/
Arrived in the year of 1853 from Söderåkra
now moves to the Royal Admiralty pa-
rish with a testimonial of passable know-
ledge of Christianity and a good character.
Went to Holy Communion in this place la-
test on the 3/2 [03 February] of this year.
She is free to marry, has
been vaccinated against smallpox and is this pre-
sent year registered for taxes in this
place. Attested - Carlskrona on the
2 September 1856.
signed
 
Ingela

[Ingela Martenius]

I see there are no migration registers for this particular period. Isn't this always the case!
 
Well, the only thing is to do what you've already started doing...go through the household roll by hand... Because there is of course no way of telling what Ingrid Maria's master's last name was.
 
Ingela

[Karen Norwillo]

Thanks, Ingela. I was able to translate some of that certificate, but your translation is so much appreciated. I started to go through the rolls, but gave up for now. The 1900 census has an Ingrid Maria Frid  born 1831 in Kristianopel, a watchman or constable's widow. Her location in 1900 says Apendix Karlskrona stadsförs. I found an Ingrid Olsdotter who married a Per Larsson Frid, but her date of birth doesn't match.Says 1834 10/1. I found a P.Frid and Ingrid Olsdotter married 21 May 1860 in Västra Vingåker. Finding them in the household rolls show them from Malmsbergs and Wad, so I ruled them out. So either my Maria also married a Frid or the census is in error. The mystery continues. Karen

[Karen Norwillo]

After searching 7 of the 9 household rolls for 1856-1860, I found Ingrid Maria Olsdotter and her husband Anders Andersson Frid. They were married 2 Nov 1856 and had a son, Axel Mauritz 20 July 1857. At least now I know the one I found on the 1900 census is the correct one.

[Ingela Martenius]

Karen,
 
That's fantastic!! I'm so glad you found the elusive Ingrid Maria. And a son too - find his children and you may be able to trace some living relatives.
 
I must say that you have shown an amazing amount of patience and perseverance! Most particularly since it's all in a foreign language!
 
Ingela

[Karen Norwillo]

Ingela,
  That would be wonderful. I have found many cousins in Finland, but no new ones on my Swedish side. It will be hard to trace the female immigrants as most of them probably married and changed their names. So far I haven't found any new males who came to the US. I do have many cousins who are descendants of Swedish-born ancestors here in the US, but I've not located any living relatives in Sweden.
Karen

[Karen Norwillo]

Can someone tell me where to find the records for Västergötland on Genline? GID: 1760.226.40700 says Anders Frid was born in Långhem, which I found was in Västergötland, but I can't locate that place on the list on Genline. Was it called something else in the 1850's? Also, where would No.51 be as shown on that GID as the place they moved to in 1858? I appreciate so much all the help from everyone. Karen

[Calle Lindström]

Karen, I think it is Länghem in Älvsborgs län. Try that. Good luck,
Best wishes,
Calle

[Karen Norwillo]

Calle,
  Thank you so much. I appreciate your help.
Karen