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Författare Ämne: Genline look up please  (läst 2576 gånger)

2005-02-08, 17:30
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Utloggad Al Neilson

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Hello to all,
 
I am looking for the birth record of Brita Cajsa Persdotter, born 4 July, 1803 in Skällvik (E).
 
Any help is much appreciated,
 
regards,
 
Al from Wirral

2005-02-08, 22:14
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Hi
I took a look at the birthrecords in Skällvik for that date but I did not find her. Do you know where she lived with her family?
 
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2005-02-09, 09:46
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Hi Lian,
 
In S:t Anna, Anna Cajsa Persdotter can be followed in HFL (A:9) moving in 1825 from Marö to N. Yxnö, Uvmarö, Tyrislöt and Gäddvik (p 50, 59, 117, 122 and 112). I dont know where she lived before 1825.
 
I much appreciate any help,
 
kind regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral, England

2005-03-16, 18:26
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Hello to all,
 
I am still unable to find the birth record of Brita Cajsa Persdotter, according to the HFL register she was born 4 July, 1803 in Skällvik. However there is no birth record in Skällvik.
 
I have traced her movements back from her marriage in 1837 to 1825. In S:t Anna, Anna Cajsa Persdotter can be followed in HFL (A:9) moving in 1825 from Marö to N. Yxnö, Uvmarö, Tyrislöt and Gäddvik (p 50, 59, 117, 122 and 112).
 
Is it possible to trace her movements back from 1825 to find her true birthplace?
 
Any help would be much appreciated,
 
kind regards,
 
Al from Wirral, England

2005-03-16, 23:32
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Need help to read Al, but
here?s your woman, in Hfl St Anna AI:7, p. 58 (GID 242.9.19800). I?m not sure, but it might look like she?s married to either Anders or Carl Andersson. There is also a notation about where she is born, but I cant read it.

2005-03-17, 07:14
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Sorry,
looks like a big mistake from me. This is not Anna Cajsa, but Brita Cajsa!
 
/Kaj A.

2005-03-17, 11:09
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Hi Kaj,
 
You are right, I am wrong! It is Brita Cajsa I am looking for. I wrongly stated Anna!
 
She married Anders Holmberg in 1837, changing her surname to Hellström about 1830.
 
You are suggesting she was married also around 1820?
 
I wonder how to find out where she was born so I can identify her parents?
 
Any help is much appreciated,
 
kindest regards,
 
Al Neilson

2005-03-18, 00:05
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Al, this was a complicated lady! I have a theory, but not much substance in it. First, take a look at this picture from St. Anna Hfl A1:5, p. 254 (GID 242.6.71200):


 
Here´s one of the very few Brita Cajsa in St. Anna parish, living with her mother Johanna Rydberg, who is a tenant at the widow Anna Persdotter in Gropetorpet, Cappelö. But this Brita Cajsa is born 1808-07-04(?), not 1803.
 
Then look at this picture from the next coming years in Hfl (GID 248.8.12200):


 
Here is Johanna Ryberg married to the farmer, Brita Cajsa is called Brita Catharina and is considered as stepdaughter, and Anna Persdotter is considered as mother to Johanna Ryberg! If this Brita Cajsa (or Catharina) is your woman, she might be trackable - unfortunately I havent had the time to check it out. Anyway, you should take a deeper look into this. I´m sorry to say that I am not that well trained in reading these words from the 19th century, but you can find notations about where this lady is born, as well as her mother, grandmother(?) and probably her sister.  
 
Good luck!
/Kaj A.

2005-03-18, 15:37
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Hi again Kaj,
 
Thank you for your help - it is much appreciated.
 
Your theory looks good. As the first image is from the A1.5 St. Anna HFL, this would cover from 1807 to 1812. As she was born in 1808 we can presume that St. Anna was her birth place. I understand that Skällvik is next to St. Anna so this may explain the confusion in later registers where her birth place is entered as Skällvik. Also her birth year of 1808 could easily be wrongly transcribed into the later registers as 1803. Her day and month of birth are the same.
 
The absence of a father however does not make sense, unless she and her mother had moved from her father's house after her birth in 1808. If that is true there should be an earlier entry in this HFL (AI.5) listing all the family. Also her birth would be entered in the St. Anna birth register (CI.5), which would show the father and place of birth.
 
What are your thoughts?
 
kindest regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral, England

2005-03-18, 17:39
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In the first picture above, you can see the notation oägta in a far right position. This implies that Brita Cajsa?s parents were not married (i think the english term is illegitimate). Perhaps you will have some problems in finding him.
 
On your behalf I also would like to ask someone else on this forum to explain the birthplace for Brita Johanna Ryberg, Inga Christina and Brita Cathrina (Cajsa), as noted above.
 
Regards,
 
/Kaj A.

2005-03-19, 16:17
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Hi again Kaj,
 
It looks like this is not the correct Brita Cajsa. I had the following information from the St Anna forum:
 
Brita Katarina (or Cajsa) was born july 1, 1808. In the birth record, the father is noted as unknown, the mother was Brita Johansdotter Ryberg, living in Nybygget in Capellbyn.  
 
Brita Cajsa Berggren, as she later called herself, died on sep 18, 1833 in Torrön, S:t Anna. She was unmarried, but had a son Adolf Fredrik, born january 16, 1832 at Torrön.
 
As she died in 1833 it looks like our theory is wrong! Back to the drawing board I guess.
 
Thank you for your help,
 
kindest regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral, England.

2008-08-29, 16:52
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Anders Persson (born 06 Aug 1796 in Valla, Husby Oppunda) is living at Bondby, Stigtomta in 1816-1820 (GID:2171.15.12700, Stigtomta,  AI:7,  page 123).
 
What were his movements from 1820?
 
Any help is most welcome,
 
Regards,
 
Al Neilson

2008-08-29, 17:39
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AI:8 pg 75  (1821--1825) listed at Sandstugan  GID  2171.16.27800
but in the very right column :  finnes icke= not here so his is absent.

2008-08-29, 21:20
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Hello Bo,
 
Thank you for the lookup - I guess he could end up anywhere!  
 
kind regards,
 
Al

2008-08-29, 21:48
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Pehr Persson (born 22 Apr 1805 in Husby Oppunda) is living in Stigtomta (GID: 2171.16.26700 line 15). What are his movements after 1834?
 
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Al

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