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Författare Ämne: Walbert, Andrew John  (läst 1401 gånger)

2005-02-05, 07:47
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Andrea Walbert Guidebeck

Immigrated to America in 1882 with his wife Maria Anderson Walbert.  He sent for his sisters Minnie, Matilda and Augusta in 1888 and his mother in 1891.  I would appreciate any information and assistance to locate where they came from in Sweden.

2005-02-05, 16:01
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Bo Johansson

Emigranten CD has only one Walbert/Valbert, a woman named CLARA WALBERT age 35 returning to America in 1909.
 
There were 4 Wahlberg in 1882, but none of them named Anders, Johan/Johannes/John, or Maria.
 
So they probably emigrated using another name.
 
// Bo Johansson

2005-02-05, 17:21
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According to an older posting a Clara Walbert had sisters Augusta and Wilhelmina and a mother named Marie/Mary - the sisters' names are the same as yours (Augusta and Wilhelmina - Minnie).  
 
Anbytarforum: Discussions in English: Emigrants: CD Emigrant Lookup for Walbert. Clara born 1874 in Dave's posting matches the above Clara in age.
 
Do the dates and Chicago fit in your information?
I'd guess they took the name Walbert in the US. What kind of research have you done for the family in the US?
 
 
By searching for Walbert I also found you old postings were the name is referred to, in connection to the Hård af Segerstad-family - if someone recognizes the name Walbert from previous discussions.
 
Anbytarforum: Discussions in English: Emigrants: Hard af Segerstad
 
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Eva

2005-02-05, 17:55
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Clara Walbert is in 1909 indexed as Clara Wolbert on Ellis Island, and is travelling to Chicago, mother Mrs Marie Walbert on 5494 Lexington Avenue. She's been in USA, Chicago since 1890. The closest relative is uncle (mother's brother or father's brother) Johannes Johansson in a Swedish town I cannot read (not Ousby because that belongs to the passenger above).
 
Not any closer to your Anders Johan - which probaly was his given names - but more info for you to check how it fits in with your people.
 
There is a Andrew John Walbert in the Illinois Death Index (free on-line) is he yours? That places him in Chicago ...
WALBERT       ANDREW     JOHN          M/W  UNK  6017172 1934-06-18 COOK        CHICAGO             34-06-19
 
The index also has one Mary, one Maria and one Minnie (and several others as Walbert is not so uncommon).
 
Minnie is found also in Chicago Tribune - she died unmarried and the death notice from 1947-02-02 gives her siblings
 
Minnie Walbert, dear sister of Mrs. C. W. Veleta (which I presume is Clara), and the late Matilda, Andrew J., Mrs. Marie Olson and Mrs. Augusta Johnson.  
 
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Eva

2005-02-05, 18:30
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Andrea Walbert Guidebeck

This is my family.  Andrew J. is my great grandfather, they settled in Chicago his son Gustave married Alma Christine Härd of Segerstad these are my grandparents,their son Andrew Hard is my father.  We have been unable to find any information about name or where they came from until now.  I do appreciate all the help I am being given.
Thank you
Andrea

2005-02-05, 19:06
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Do you have any birth dates or year for Andrew J? His sisters seem to be born in the time span 1866-1874 - if we take Dave's information from the posting I refer to above:  
 
* Wilhelmina/Minnie (unmarried) 1866 died 1947
* Augusta (married name Johnson) 1870
* Clara W (married name Veleta, marries after 1909) born 1874, died 1960
 
Matilda, Marie (Maria?) and Andrew John (Anders Johan?) are born when? They as well as Augusta seem to be dead before 1947.
 
Andrew John you say is married by 1882 (Gustave E Walbert is born in 1888) - so he must be born in the early 1860s at the latest.
 
Do you have his data? His wife's data? His mother's data? Have you looked at any of the US census (1900/1910/1920/1930)? Do you have any of the death certificates?
 
Have you tried to locate them in any Swedish-American church records? Did they attend a Swedish church or a society? Where any of the children (Gustave had several siblings I see) confirmed in any Swedish-American church?  
 
Several of the death notices in Chicago Tribune for the Walbert/Hard family members mention Services at Elim Lutheran church which was a Swedish church - see here. The church records have been filmed, quote from the webpage I link to Membership records from 1885 to 1928, and church minutes from 1901 to 1931 were microfilmed as Augustana #A8 and are available through the ELCA Archives and the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center. The original records - as well as the ones from the 1930s and onwards, are, according to the webpage, maintained at the Reformation Lutheran Church in Chicago which is the result of Elim merging with another church.
 
They might be buried in the church without being members, but the church records may give a parish of birth in Sweden.
 
Good luck,
Eva

2005-02-05, 22:30
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This site lists a publication which has extracted records from Elim.  
 
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ssghs/sspub.htm#SSGHS Publications
 
Move to Volume 12.
 
Vol. 12: The Greater Roseland Area of Chicago - Svenska Evangelical Lutheran Elims Församlingens (Elim Lutheran Church) 1885 - 1900. Extractions from the records (ca. 1885-1900) of The Elim Swedish Lutheran Church (113th & Forest Ave., Chicago, IL).  The data consists of  family listings, baptisms, confirmations, marriages, funerals, receptions and dismissal of members.
Extracted by Jan Helge.  77 pages.  Published 2004.   $20 Plus $3 p/h (P/h is postage/handling, apparently.)
 
Ordering information is on that page.
 
Judy

2005-02-05, 22:34
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Oops! This is the url for that publication with Elim extractions.
 
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ssghs/sspub.htm#SSGHS%20Publications
 
Judy

2005-02-05, 23:49
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Andrea Guidebeck

Maria Walbert born in Sweden April 23, 1833. Died February 17, 1916 in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois. Maria came to the US in 1891 according to 1900 census of Cook County Illiinois.
 
Her son: Andrew John Walbert born July 19, 1864 died June 18, 1934, Chicago, Cook County Illinois.
 
Andrew John's wife Mary Anderson Walbert born March 11, 1859 in Sweden died September 1, 1928 in Wheaton City, DePage County, Illinois.
 
Known sisters of Andrew John Walbert
Augusta Walbert Johnson born Oct. 1888 in Sweden.   came to US in 1886 according to 1930 census.
 
Matilda Walbert (never married born 1860 in Sweden (about). Came to US 1886 according to 1930 census.
 
Minnie Walbert born (never married born 1866 in Sweden (about)Came to US in 1886 according to 1930 census record.  
 
I have done some research but was given the sisters names recently and have just started the research process on them and above is about all I have now.  I do have a family photograph of Andrew John, his children, his mother and some of his sisters.  Will share any information with anyone who would like it.  Thank you for the assistance I am being given.
Andrea

2005-02-06, 00:15
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Andrea, as you see from Minnie's death notice quoted above, she had four known sisters and one brother - which should mean that Andrew J had five sisters.  
 
I suggest you next try to check out the Elim Lutheran Church for possible leads.
 
Thank you for providing the dates, that facilitates for someone to recognize the family. Birth dates are not given in the CD Emigranten, but age is, so it is useful to know. There are also other databases created, or being created, that includes birth dates for emigrants.
 
Kind regards,
Eva

2005-02-06, 00:19
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PS. there must be something wrong with Augusta's birth date, if she was born in 1888 her mother Maria was 55 at the time, and she emigrated two years before she was born. Dave has her as being born in 1870.
 
/Eva

2005-02-06, 12:25
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Andrea Guidebeck

Thank you for pointing this out to me, Augusta was born in October 1870  according to the 1900 Census.  I accidently gave my grandfathers birth year.  Dave is correct.

2005-02-09, 17:40
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Andrea,
 
With so many details available it looked as an easy task to solve this but it turned out to be a bit difficult. The best direction where to look was given in the Ellis Island ship manifest from 1909 where the passenger Clara Walbert?s Swedish relative was given as Johannes Johansson in Greenstad. The place where your family came from turned out to be Grinstad parish in the province of Dalsland.
 
The family consisted of: Maja (or Maria) Lisa Johannesdotter b.1833 April 22 in Järn, Grinstad. She was married 1857 Nov 8 to Lars Andersson. The children I can find are: Anna Lisa b.1858 July 7 in Jakobsbyn in Grinstad, Mathilda b.1859 Nov 11 in Stockenäs in Grinstad, Anders Johan b. 1861 or 1863, Wilhelmina b.1866 Jan 15 and Augusta b.1870 Oct 10.  As I can access only a few of the church books from Grinstad the data above is not complete.
 
The family lived in Östra Järn in Grinstad. Lars Andersson died around 1875. Anna Lisa Larsdotter/Larsson moved to Stockholm where she died unmarried 1908 Jul 11. Matilda Larsdotter also moved to Stockholm and in a record is mentioned that she moved from Stockholm to N. America 1886, Aug 19. However, I have seen no trace of her in any of the emigrant databases. Anders Johan looks to be the Anders J Larsson 18y from Grinstad who left Gothenburg 1881 Apr 15 with ticket to New York. Wilhelmina Larsdotter moved to Stockholm where she was at least in 1886. I have seen no trace of her in any of the emigrant databases. Augusta Larsdotter also moved to Stockholm where she was at least in 1887. I have seen no trace of her in any of the emigrant databases. And finally, their mother looks to be the Maria Lisa Johannesson, 57y from Grinstad who left Gothenburg 1890 Nov 21 with ticket to New York.  Maria, a daughter 16y accompanied her. This could be Clara.
 
You could certainly get more information from someone with access to the complete church records of Grinstad. Why not place a question at Landskap/Dalsland/Socknar/Grinstad. Good luck !
 
/Rustan

2005-02-09, 19:07
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Andrea Walbert Guidebeck

Thank you very much for your assistance.  I appreciate your help in finding my ancestors.

2005-02-09, 19:18
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According to the population register of city district Kungsholmen, Stockholm, laundress Wilhelmina Larsdotter, born 1866, Jan 15 in Jern (Järn), left for America 1886, Aug 8.
Hälsar vänligen
Maud

2005-02-09, 20:44
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Andrea Walbert Guidebeck

This date fits also, thank you all so much, I am so appreciative for the help.  I could not have found all this information without you.
 
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