Karl Johan Frisell

[John Hage]

Hello,
I wonder if there is family of origin information available for Karl Johan Frisell, born 1847 in Skedevi, Östergötland?  Also for his wife, Kristina Eriksdotter, born 1851 in Julita, Södermanland?  To help identify them, their first child, Alva, was born October 2, 1870, in Skedevi.  In the 1890 census Karl and Kristina were living in Eda Glasbruk, Värmland, where he was a glass cutter.  They emigrated to Norway May 9, 1897 (Embias migration file: Norrköpings Hedvig E 1897 005).
Thank You,
John H.

[Kerstin Thölix]

Hello John!
 
Carl Johan was born on the 9of Mars 1847 and he was baptised the 14 of mars.His parents were Johan Frisell and Anna Köhler in Reijmyra. Johan Frisell is a tailor.Baptist vitnesess were glascutter A P Köhler and his wife Beata Köhler farmhand Frans August Kron and maid Hedda Petterson
 
Source Skedevi kyrkoarkiv Födelse och Dopböcker SE/VALA/00332/C/4(1825-1855)
 
MVH Kerstin
 
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[Kerstin Thölix]

Johan Fredric Frisell was born 1818 in V.Vingåker and moved to Skedevi in 1845. There he got married to Anna Sophia Köhler in 1846. She is born on the 21 of dec 1820 in Risinge. They got 2 children Carl Johan born in 1847 and Christina Sophia born on the 17 of april 1849 in Skedevi. They also got a daughter, Emilia Maria Born in Skedevi on the 25 of mars 1852 and a son, Gustaf Wilhelm born the 31 of january 1858
 
Source Skedevi kyrkoarkiv Husförhörslängder SE/VALA/0332/AI/19 1860-1863 Del 1
 
MVH Kerstin

[Kerstin Thölix]

And it seems to be so that Carl Johan was married to another woman before he was married to Kristina because in the houseold sources of 1872-1879 it looks like this  
Glasscutter Carl Johan Frisell  
Wife Augusta Blom Born the 6 of June 1845 in Julita  
Son Johan Axel born  on the 17 of mars 1868 in Skedevi
Daughter Alma Maria born on the 2 of okt 1870 in Skedevi  
Daughter Sofia Amalia born on the12 of april 1873 in Skedevi
Son August Waldemar born on the 9 of may 1876 in Skedevi
The family is living in Reijmyra Glasbruk but on the 1of august 1877they are moving to Eda in Värmland  
 
MVH Kerstin
 
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[John Hage]

Hello Kirsten!
This is fascinating!!  Sofia Amalia was my grandmother.  I didn't know that Kristina was not her mother.  Did Augusta Blom die?  When did Johan marry Kristina?  Is the birth date for August Waldemar correct?  It seems too close to Sofia's birth date.
Thanks,
John H.

[Åke Bjurström]

Hello John
My family came from Rejmyre glassworks in Skedevi, but not related to this family.
Augusta Blom was born in Julita, Södermanland 6/6 1845 and married to glasscutter Karl Johan Frisell 19/12 1869 in Skedevi, Östergötland.
She is the mother of all the children before the family moved to Eda, Värmland 1/8 1877 and she was living when they moved.
August Valdemar was born 9/5 1876.
Åke

[Åke Bjurström]

John
Dead 25/9 1880 at Eda glassworks, Värmland.
Glasscutters wife Augusta Frisell b. Blom 35y 3m 19d. Cancer in stomach.
If you are familiar with Genline, this is GID 100017.39.38000.
Åke

[John Hage]

Hello Åke,
Thanks for all this.  There should be one more daughter, Augusta Elisabet, born to Augusta Blom in Eda sometime in 1879.  Sofia Amalia left for Arvika sometime in 1890 to live with Karl Gustaf Ludvig Böttiger and Britta Elisabet Källstrom.  Because she is shown there in the 1890 census as a Piga rather than a Hushållsarbetare can I assume they were relatives?  I have heard of Genline but am not familiar with it.  Is it an on-line database that I can access?
John H.

[Kerstin Thölix]

And this is from the household sources of 1886-1895
Eda kyrkoarkiv husförhörslängderSE/VA/13091/A I/28
and it says that Kristina Eriksdotter was born in Julita 24/7 1851 and that she was coming from Näshulta in Nyköping Parish in 1881  
 
Carl Johans son Johan Axel has got married to Maria Olofsson born 10/2 1869 in Eda. They got the following children. Augusta Maria born 27/9 1890
Johan Oskar born 23/2 1892 Gerda Kristina born 24/9 1894
 
Alva Maria Frisell has moved  to Hedvig parish in Norrköping in 1895.
 
Carl Johan, Kristina and the rest of the family, August Waldemar born 1876 Augusta Elisabet 27/3 1879 Anna Kristina born 15/11 1881 Karl Anton born 25/2 1884 Adolf fredrik born 15/7 1885 Alfred erik born 5/11 1889 and Artur Hugo born 3/12 1891 are all of them moving to Hedvig parish in Norrköping in 2/5 1894.
 
MVH Kerstin

[Eva Dahlberg]

John, Genline is a pay database (like Ancestry), but if you do your research in Värmland an Östergötland there is a cheaper database often with better pictures, ArkivDigital.  
 
They cover the same timeperiod but ArkivDigital has made new photos of the church books, as compared to scanning the mormon films, and ArkivDigital also have original churchbooks of births, deaths and marriages in stead of the extracs that Genline uses.
 
Genline has a webpage in English here, ArkivDigital doesn't have a webpage in English but contact the person in charge of the subscriptions here Gabriel, to ask for information in English.
 
ArkivDigital at the moment has seven counties complete in their database, three more are under way.
 
regards,
Eva
 
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[Åke Bjurström]

John
Karl Johan Frisell married Kristina Eriksdotter 23/9 1882 at Eda glassworks.
She is houskeeper, his second and her first marriage.
Regards Åke

[John Hage]

Åke and Kerstin,
Thanks much.  I believe Kristina's youngest son, Olof Vilhelm, was born in 1895.  Was he born in Hedvig parish, Norrköping?
Thank you,
John H.

[Åke Bjurström]

John
Olof Vilhelm b. Hedvig 14/11 1895 to Karl Johan Frisell and Kristina Eriksson.
Åke

[John Hage]

Hello,
Thank you again.  Are there records of the family that Augusta Blom was born to in Julita, Södermanland?
John H.

[Åke Bjurström]

John
Augusta Blom´s father was shoemaker Erik Gustaf Blom b. 6/9 1805 at Trosa, Julita, Södermanland. Mother Brita Stina Hällström b. 30/12 1806 in Husby-Rekarne, Södermanland.
Erik Gustaf´s father, shoemaker Pehr Lennart Blom b. 5/2 1781 and mother Brita Olofsdotter.
Pehr Lennart´s father shoemaker Erik Blom b 1737, d. 1803 and mother Brita Stina Linman, all living at Trosa, Julita.
Åke

[John Hage]

Hello Åke,
Did Augusta have brothers or sisters?  Also, is there an indication that either Karl Frisell or Augusta Blom's religion was other than Lutheran?
Thanks,
John H.

[Åke Bjurström]

Lutheran Yes

[Åke Bjurström]

Perhaps someone else can help John.
Julita AI:10B 1846-50 page 48, GID 53.13.77000.
(out of time right now)
Åke

[Chris Bingefors]

John
 
Everybody was Lutheran, that was the state religion and you had to belong to the state church with very few exceptions for foreigners. In the mid-1800s the so called free church started to recruit members. They were, for example, baptists, pentecostals or mormons. This was not allowed and you can usually see notes in the church books if someone was of these faiths. This opression was very often the cause of emigration to the US.

[John Hage]

Thank you Chris,
The reason I asked is my father told me he had heard that his mother's family had originally come from France as part of the Hugenaut exodus.  Probably just an unfounded rumor, as I suspected.  I have not yet registered in Genline.  Could you help with the look-up of Augusta Blom's siblings?  Åke noted it is Julita AI:10B 1846-50 page 48, GID 53.13.77000.
Thanks,
John H.

[Chris Bingefors]

Daughter Berta (?) Stina born 7 april 1831
Daughter Anna Lotta b. 7 feb 1834
Son Erik Gustaf b 1 april 1837
Son August b b 8 march 1842
Son Carl b nov 1849

[Kerstin Thölix]

Eric Gustaf Blom and his wife Brita Stina Hällström had these children.
Brita Stina born 7/4 1831 in Julita
Anna Lotta born 7/2 1834 in Julita  
Eric Gustaf born 1/4 1837 in Julita
August born 2/3 1842 in Julita  
Augusta born 6/6 1845 in Julita
Carl born 5/11 1849 in Julita  
Johanna Sophia born 19/12 1852 in Julita
This is from the household sources of 1846-1850 page 48 and from the household sources of 1851-1855 page 120

[John Hage]

Thank you Chris and Kerstin,
Are the household sources the records found at Arkiv Digital?  Is it a better source for original documents than Genline or should a person use both?
John H.

[Jeff Benson]

John,
 
Arkiv Digital is a worthy competitor to Genline but doesn't yet have records available for all of Sweden. In particular, they don't appear to have Södermanland church records. You'd best check their website to see if they have the parishes you are interested in.
 
AD's image quality is superior to Genline's and it may well be cheaper but I recommend you stick with Genline for now. The biggest reason is that, despite appearances, AD's website doesn't yet directly support on-line purchases by credit card. You might be able to order something from them but then you'd have to figure out how to pay for it in a way that they will accept. Depending on where you live (I assume somewhere in North America) that might not be easy -- nor cheaper than Genline when all is said and done. By contrast, ordering on-line from Genline is quick and convenient and you can be researching in minutes (after you've installed their browser software). Genline frequently has special subscription offers that are significantly cheaper than list price.
 
However, if you do try AD-online and succeed in getting a subscription, please let us know. I'm guessing there are a lot of researchers in North America wanting to give it a try.
 
Jeff

[John Hage]

Thanks Jeff,
I am in Colorado, USA, so method of payment might become an issue.  I am not ready to subscribe yet due to finances, but when I do I think I'll try asking the Arkiv Digital Webmaster some questions.  Learning Swedish is a goal of mine, so Arkiv Digital may provide language immersion for me.
John H.