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[m robinson]

I am seeking information regarding Bodins - name before that was Pederson, I think.  From Vestra Emtervik, Varmland.
 
1. John Pearson Bodin  born 1852 or 1858?  
Changed family name from Pederson to Bodin when he entered the Swedish Army.
Married Wilhelmina
Children Carl David  born 12-24-1881
         Paul J.     born 6-21-1883
John and Carl immigrated to US 1886
Wilhelmina and Paul immigrated to US 1887
 
2.  Brother also named John Bodin (my grandfather) born 1856
Immigrated 1882 or earlier
Married to Maria   born 10-1-1852?
Can her maiden name, place of birth,
 marriage date and place be found?
 
3.  Brother Gustaf Bodin  born 10-24-1863
Immigrated 1882 with sister Louise
 
4.  Sister Louise
Married to whom?  When?  Where?
Immigrated with brother Gustaf 1882
 
5. Brother Adolph  born 1866 or 1867
Immigrated in 1884.
 
6.  Sister - never married.  Remained on family farm, caring for parents, and then died in 1930s.
 
7.  Possibly another sister married to a Finnish man.  Never immigrated to America.
 
I am seeking more accurate names, birth dates, immigration information (ports of exit, entry etc.)
And name of the parents and the family farm and location in V Emtervik.  I would be so grateful for any help and all information about my family.  Thank you!

[Karin Ekeroth]

Here is some information about the family and especially brother no 2.
 
Johan born April 6 1858 to Per Persson and Maria Olsdotter, Bråten, Västra Emtervik, Värmland. Birth Records Västra Ämtervik 1825 -60.
 
In Household records AI:13 1871 - 75:
Per Persson Bonde (farmer)  
Maria Olsdotter
Children
Johan b April 6, 1858
Christina Jan 17, 1864
Per Adolf Nov 8, 1867
Marie Louise Oct 1, 1871
 
I have more about the family, but to show it is the right family:
AI:15 Bodin, Johan Person b April 6 1858
Wife Maria Katarina Vilhelmina Olsdotter born May 25, 1860 in Jakobs Parish in Stockholm.
They have two children. GID 544.27.6900
 
Ina hurry. Off to work.

[Karin Ekeroth]

Sorry!
Brother numer one!
The kids are called Carl David and Johan Paul.
 
 
Karin

[Karin Ekeroth]

Would somebody please try to put this family together. I cannot find the births for the family M Robinson lists. I am totally confused. Why would the family have two Johan? There was one born in 1852 who died six months old in Jan 1853. I don?t find any Johan born 1856. Please set things straight.
 
Karin

[m robinson]

Dear Karin - many thanks!  The information regarding Brother 1 - John and his family matches with my records.  Also Adolph.
 
I cannot understand two Johns in one family - did a parent have a second marriage? Are John (my grandfather) and Gustaf stepchildren?
 
Is there more information for Kristina and Marie Louise?
 
I appreciate your wonderful help!!!
 
M Robinson

[Mats Ahlgren]

I'm not sure this helps but a Johan Bodin left for US in 1880
 
From CD Emibas
Post 847950
Bodin, Olof Johan
Farmhand (man)
b. 10/1/1855
Emigrated 2/29/1880
from Bråten, Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
to Amerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 113
Emibas migration file ID: Västra Ämtervik S 1880 001
 
 
From the same CD  
 
Post 848170
Persson, Per Adolf
Owners son (man)
b. 11/8/1867 in Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
Emigrated 4/24/1886
from Aplungstorp Norra, Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
to Amerika
0501886013 - Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Emigrantregistret i Karlstad
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 58
Emibas migration file ID: Västra Ämtervik S 1886 013

[Karin Ekeroth]

Mats,
Thank you for the information about Olof Johan born 1855. I was looking for a Johan born 1856 and could not find him. There was a Johan born 1852 who died early and the Johan born 1858.
 
I?ll give it another try.
 
mvh, Karin

[Mats Ahlgren]

Karin
 
I want to point out that Olof Johan left Västra Ämtervik for USA, but Emibas doesn't say where he was born.

[Karin Ekeroth]

Mats and M.,
 I found an Olof Johan born Sept 30 1855 and christened Oct 1 1855. He was born in Asplung, V Emtervik. His parents were Jonas Andersson and Kajsa Olsdotter. In the Hfl AI:9 he is called Olof and said to be born Oct 1, 1855. This would fit in on the Johan Olof you found. How he came to be a Bodin is still yet to be found out. I\m working on it.
 
Regarding the family with Johan born 1858: They had a Christina born Oct 27 1855 who died April 3, 1857. As you can see, the names were recycled.
 
Karin

[Mats Ahlgren]

Karin
Can you see if Jonas and Kajsa had a son named Gustaf, born 1863?

[Karin Ekeroth]

M.Robinson,
 
This seems to be a question of two families!  
The Gustaf you mention cannot be found in the family with the Johan born 1858. The Olof Johan born 1855 has a brother August, which could be Gustaf perhaps, born Oct 29, 1862. He also has a sister Kristina born Feb 17, 1866 and another sister Lovisa born Feb 13, 1859. This Olaf Johan is shown with the surname Bodin. He also has the fact Baptista next to his name. This can be found in GID 544.25.33400. ( GID is an identification number for the genline records online. The actual record is: Värmland, Västra Emtervik AI:14 1876-80.
 
I wrote earlier that Wilhelmina was born in Jakobs parish. It was Johannes. Sorry.
 
I have now come to Johan 1858 when he marries Wilhelmina. He also has the surname Bodin or Boden.If someone could help you read and understand GID 544.27.11900 you can gain a lot of information about the family. It seems that Maria Lovisa i handicaped. There is a notation about her Feeble-minded. Cannot speak. Idiot. There is no remark about her going to America with her brother, which also makes me think that this is not about one family only. It looks as if there is a marriage with a Finnish man somewhere.
 
It is getting late (or early). I am going to Spitsbergen(Svalbard) and cannot do any more research for about a week. I hope someone else can go on.
 
karin

[Karin Ekeroth]

This is so puzzling - how the names change. It makes it difficult and challenging. One last try...
 
I looked in _scb Värmland 1863 and 1862. Nothing of use for us in 1863 - no Gustaf. In 1862 Jonas Andersson and Kajsa Olsdotter in Aplang get a son Lars! I then looked at the household record AI:10 (1856 - 62) and there I found the family in Aplang, but Lars was not registered. The next one AI:11 (1861 - 1865) had this:
Jonas Andersson b Jan6, 1826
Kajsa Olsdotter b August 14,1828
Olof Johan b Oct 1, 1855
Lovisa b. Aug 13, 1859
Lars August b Oct 27, 1862
The family moves from Aplung to Bråten in 1864. It is the same book, the same years, just a different page. Here Lars August is merely August. That is how you change from Lars to August! One more child is born in Bråten:
Christina b Feb 18?? 1866.
 
As you can see the names and dates differ a bit in the various records. A human being has transcribed everything and it is not strange that things like this happen, I suppose.
 
M. Could there in any way be a blend of families in your first question? How have you got your information? If you use both families the statements fall in place.  
 
Now, no more.
Karin

[Mats Ahlgren]

Hi
 
I found the following persons in Emibas, with the new information from Karin.
 
Post 848032
Jonsson, Lovisa
Maid (unmarried woman)
b. 2/13/1859 in Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
Emigrated 3/20/1882
from Bråten, Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
to Amerika
0501882024 - Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Emigrantregistret i Karlstad
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 119
Emibas migration file ID: Västra Ämtervik S 1882 024
 
Post 848017
Jonsson, August
Shoe maker (man)
b. 10/29/1862 in Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
Emigrated 3/11/1882
from Bråten, Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
to Amerika
0501882009 - Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Emigrantregistret i Karlstad
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 119
Emibas migration file ID: Västra Ämtervik S 1882 009
 
The emigration date mentioned is not the day the left Sweden, it is the day the where given the permission to leave. If the above shows Johan Bodin's siblings they could very well have conducted the journey together.
 
As you can see is August almost spot on, the records used by Karin gives both Oct 27 and 29.
Lovisa is said to be born in Feb in one record and August in another (and Feb in Emibas). This needs to be examined in the original sources, but she looks as an very interesting person to research.
 
I think Karin discoveries makes it rather clear that we here have two families.
 
Regards
Mats

[m robinson]

I  believe you have  found the family members I am looking for.  And yes, it looks as if it is two families.  Karin and Mats - thank you for all of your time.
 
We never heard of Mary Louise and her condition.
 
Regarding:
Christina b. Jan 17, 1864 to Per and Maria
Christina b. Feb 18, 1866 to Jonas and Kajsa
...are there any records that:
one married a Finnish man, a count?
one remained single and on the family farm until her death in the 1930's?
 
Regarding the name, Bodin, can you see if Johan Persson served in the Swedish Army and when.  Did he at that time have his name changed to Bodin?  (We understood he made the name change then all followed.)
 
I wonder if between Per and Maria, and Jonas and Kajsa, that each lost a mate.  Then the remaining two married.  Are there any records of that occurring?
 
Are there any records indicating if my great grandfather, Olaf Johan Bodin, was single when he emigrated?
 
He received a severe injury after he had been in America about ten years.  What an immense loss!   He was hospitalized for the remained of his life and his records are so limited.    However, hospital records indicate he was Baptist.  (I never heard that to be true of his brothers or sister, Louise.)
 
It has meant so much to me to learn these things.
 
Sincerely, m robinson

[Mats Ahlgren]

Hi M
 
Answers on some of your questions.
 
I can see Jonas and Kajsa living together in Västra Ämtervik in 1900 (according to CD showing Swedish census 1900)
 
It looks like Olof Johan was unmarried when he left.

[Karin Ekeroth]

I just can´t keep away from this! I leave tomorrow morning, and I really have other things to do, but.....
 
My mistake. I am a human being and can make reading and typing errors.Looking back I see that Lovisa is born in February.
OK the two families:
 
1.Per Persson b April 14, 1826 d Oct 22, 1879
  Maria Olsdotter b Dec 12, 1825 d.?
  Johan b April 6, 1858 (Bodin)
  Christina b Jan 7, 1864
  Per Adolf b Nov 8 1867
  Marie Louise b Oct 1, 1871
 
This would be family number one, Johan married Wilhelmina.
Brother Adolf is in this family. You have his information.
The sister with the Finnish husband is also here - Christina.
Marie Louise died in 1889, so she is not the one who stayed with the parents, nor is she a Lovisa who left the country. She was an idiot.
 
After Per Persson died his wife remarried. You can find this in Ö Emtervik AI:15, GID 544.27.11900. She married Nils Persson  a widower born Dec 22, 1817. They married July 13, 1883. He died May 25, 1889 and mother Maria goes to N America 1890..
 
Christina took the name Bodin 1884. I cannot read the record in full, but she married a man from Finland. She went in Stockholm, to Hedvig Eleonora parish in 1885 and then to Finland in July 1890.
 
In Gid 544.27.6900 you can see more about Johan. He took the name Bodin 1885. He worked for a Olof Jonasson at Aplung. In 1881 he married the daughter Maria Katarina Wilhelmina born May 25, 1860 in Johannes parish in Stockholm.  They go to America in 1887. It seems that they are in Stockholm a period. Cannot read.
 
That just about takes care of that Johan Bodin.
 
 
2. Jonas Andersson b, Jan 6, 1826
   Kajsa Olsdotter b Aug 14, 1828
   Olof Johan b Oct 1, 1855 (Bodin)
   Lovisa b Feb 13, 1859
   (Lars) August b oct 29, 1862
   Christina b Feb 17, 1866
 
Jonas and Kajsa got married Dec 25/26 1855.
 
In AI:14 1876 - 1880
Johan has been in Östra Emtervik for a short time. He is listed as being the father of Johan Edvard born March 3, 1877 out of wedlock. The mother was Anna Elofsdotter Bergqvist  b Jan 2, 1854 from Ö Emtervik. She and the boy move back and forth in Ö Emtervik. The son is called Johan Edvard Olofsson Bodin. Anna married Nils Pettersson from Olsäter in Östra Ullerud on March 2, 1883 and they move to Östra Ullerud. I have not followed them any further. This Johan Bodin would be your parent´s half brother.  
 
Your grandfather Johan (Now there are three Johan Bodin to keep track of)left for N America, or got a permit to do so Feb 29,1880. I do not know if he was married then.
 
The rest of the family 2.Lovisa works for a time with the Wilhelmina the other Johan married. Both girls go back home.  
August leaves for America 1882.
Kristina leaves 1888.
Lovisa leaves, maybe with her brother 1882.
 
The parents stay in Sweden at least until 1895, which is the last I can see of them on genline.
 
It has crossed my mind that perhaps the mothers, Kajsa and Maria are sisters. That would be a later project to look into.
 
I leave you with some unanswered question - who was your grandmother. Could he have met her in America? Also some things I could not read.
 
Karin

[Karin Ekeroth]

Per and Maria´s Christina married a Finnish man, but what he was I do not know, because I could not read it.
 
Mats, could you put the question on the board if someone could read the information on GID 544.27.11900? About this family. There is information about the Finnish man there. You could translate it.
 
Jonas and Kajsa´s Christina had a permit to go to America. 1888. Do you have her in emibas, Mats? She maybe stayed at home.
 
There is no record of intermarriage between the families. Not if Maria went to America. Do you have her in emibas?

[Karin Ekeroth]

M. :In your first message you referred to Johan Bodin 2 as your grandfather. That?s why I am a generation off.
 
Mats: Is there any record of Christina in the 1900 census?
 
Karin

[m robinson]

I have read about Adolph on the Federal census before.  I have just read the entry again and it shows Adolph, Christina (his wife) and Mary (mother) - born Dec 1825 - Bodin in the household.  So I  believe she did come to America.  But we had never knew about that.
 
I have also reread what few old letters I have.  John (Olaf Johan), Gustaf and Louise immigrated to Minnesota and built a house together.  John P. and Adolph immigrated farther west and seemed to have a little more communication between their families.  The idea of Maria and Kajsa being sisters sounds like a possibility.
 
An aunt thought my great grandfather married his wife, Maria, in Sweden.  But we are not sure.  For now, the only clues I have to find her are that she was from Varmland and that her birthdate was October 1, 1852.

[m robinson]

Correction:  John Bodine (Olaf Johan Bodin that we have found) and his wife, Maria, are my great grandparents.  My apologies for not being more accurate.  All of the brothers and sisters listed in that first discussion are that same generation.

[Thomas Vikander]

Please let me intrude here for a minute, to compliment Karin Ekeroth and Mats Ahlgren for their energy and commitment to a relentless pursuit in clarifying the names and relationships described in this message thread.  
What a great late August-early September read !

[Mats Ahlgren]

M
 
This is probably Jonas and Kajsa's daughter, just wonder whom she married. I guess her husband had left earlier (if it is the right person)
 
From CD Emibas
Post 848318
Johannesdotter, Kristina
Wife (married woman)
b. 2/17/1866 in Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
Emigrated 8/18/1888
from Bråten, Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
to Amerika
0501888037 - Bilaga/ytterligare information  
finns. Kontakta Emigrantregistret i Karlstad
Source: Emibas migration file ID: Västra Ämtervik  
S 1888 037
 
This record doesn't show that she really left, but as I can't find any sign of her in Swedish census 1890 nor 1900 I guess she left.
 
With this in mind, I think we can say that your great grandfather and his three siblings all went to North Amerika.  
 
Where in Minnesota did three of them build the house? And can you find anything mentioned about Kristina?
 
Will see if we can find anything about your great grandmother .

[Mats Ahlgren]

M
 
Regarding your great grandmother:
 
The person below might be interesting to research.
From CD Emibas
 
Post 848015
Persdotter, Maria
Piga (unmarried woman)
b. 10/2/1852 in Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
Emigrated 2/27/1882
from Aplungstorp Norra, Västra Ämtervik, Värmlands län (Värmland)
to Amerika
0501882007 - Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Emigrantregistret i Karlstad
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 71
Emibas migration file ID: Västra Ämtervik S 1882 007
 
As CD Emibas is a second source, everything needs to be checked and , in this case, is it interesting to see whether she is born first or second of October

[Karin Ekeroth]

M. They were sisters! I just checked. Details when I get back. V Emtervik C:3 1825 - 60. Parents Olof Larsson and Kathrina Olsdotter.All these kids you had all mixed up were cousins and had more or less grown up together. The farm was Bråten.
Karin

[m robinson]

If followed, I think records might show the death of both parents, Jonas and Kajsa, by the early 1900s.  Then the remaining daughter, Christina (Johannesdotter), living on the famly farm until her death in the early 1930s.
 
[The 1900 US census shows Adolph (Persson) Bodin and wife Christina (born September 1867) and Adolph's mother, Mary.  I think it is a coincidence that Adolph's wife has the same name as Christina Johannesdotter - also the birth dates are quite different.]
 
I would be glad if there was any other information that might confirm that Maria is my great grandmother.  It does sound very reasonable.  If it seemed true, I would then search Minnesota for a marriage certificate 1882 or 1883 as my grandfather was born in early 1884.
 
Many questions have been answered!!!  Again, my deepest appreciation.

[Mats Ahlgren]

Hi M
 
As showed earlier, Christina got the permission to leave Sweden in 1888. She was not living with the parents 1890 nor 1900 according to Swedish census.
 
I think it's a good idea to search for your great grandparents marriage certificate. The birth certificate for your grandfather might have the mother's maiden name also

[Mats Ahlgren]

Hi
Karin has earlier (message from 2 sept, 19.30) showed us that Per and Maria?s Christina married a Finnish man.
She has now, on another place on Anbytarforum, come the conclusion that his name perhaps was Gustaf Reinhold Törngren, Lyceilektor (senior teacher (lecturer)), Uleåborg, Finland

[Mats Ahlgren]

M
 
A short question.  
 
Did your great grandmother, Maria, leave this world for a better one October 23, 1906 ?

[m robinson]

Yes, she did indeed!  On that date.  
 
In the face of great losses, we have testimony that she had great character.
 
Maria Persdotter, Aplungstorp Norra, sounded like a very real possibility for my great grandmother.  I would be so glad to know more of her parents, siblings or any other information that might be listed.  I wish there was one more piece of a puzzle to help confirm that she  is my great grandmother.
 
Thank you Mats.

[Judy Olson Baouab]

M,
 
Have you checked the records of the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center? They have a website but their extensive records aren't online. Perhaps you can find the confirmation you need there.
 
http://www.augustana.edu/swenson/
 
Judy