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2015-06-13, 16:16
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Oppeby AI:4 (1814-1816) Image 41 / page 67 (AID: v28378.b41.s67, NAD: SE/VALA/00289)
 
Since it says not to enter names of individual names, I have not mentioned them below but it is obvious on the archive page.
 
The person on the top of this page in ArkivDigital online has several notations that I cannot understand.  
Just below Frossvik the words frälse säteri appear which Google translates as nobility manor.  Does this mean he lived in a manor or what?  
There is another line below that it looks like förre frälse befallnings which translates to former tenant's command, which makes no sense to me.  
Before his first son is the phrase nuvarande befallningsman, which translates to current sheriff.  Is this correct?  What does this imply?
 
I do not know if this is the correct place to post this, but as I do not know Swedish, I picked what I thought was a reasonable place in the English discussion section.  Feel free to move it where it belongs.  Thank you for your help.

2015-06-13, 20:20
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Hi David!
 
You may mention names, except for now living persons. Frälse and Säteri to some part mean the same thing: this property did not had to pay the normal taxes, however they had other duties. A Säteri is (was) a quite large property and the Befallningsman is the Manager/Trustee in charge. First Erik Vibom was the Befallningsman, but during this period he was replaced with his son, probably because of what is written to the left, Sjuk = Sick. Note that Förre and Nuvarande is not written from the start of this book, it is added later. Frössvik has six pages in the survey, all with people living at this Säteri and having duties for which the Befallningsman was in charge.
 
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2015-06-14, 23:55
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Hi Leif,
 
Thanks, that is very helpful.  I assume that the manager does not own the land.  Anyway to find out who owns the land?
 
Vibom does not sound like a Swedish name.  Why would he have this name?  Sometimes I have seen it written as Wibom instead, do you know which is likely correct?  What does östra Roten at the top of this page mean?
 
Since the 1820 to 1825 book is missing and he is not in the 1826 to 1830 book, I lose track of him after that.  I did not find him in the death records for 1811-1849 in those years.  Any thoughts as to how to find when he died?  I believe my line follows from his Daughter, Liskon, who leaves in 1814.  Unfortunately, she moved to Horn, which has no records until 1851, where I believe she marries Niles Mansson Rylander.  In 1851, I believe I find her son (birthdate 26 March 1818) in Skalfalla.  He says Niles M. Rylander is his father.  This is uncertain as far as I can tell but it was in another family tree that I used.  
 
There is a Nils Rylander death record in Kättilstad CI:5 (1828-1860) Image 298 / page 581 (AID: v38647.b298.s581, NAD: SE/VALA/00209) which I could use your help reading.  It talks about a Lisa Vibom, which could be Liskon, I assume.  
 
Any thoughts on how to confirm this linkage with the loss of Horn records?

2015-06-15, 03:47
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Hi David,
 
In Oppeby AI:6 (1826-1830) Bild 56 / sid 98 (AID: v28380.b56.s98, NAD: SE/VALA/00289) you find Nils Månsson and Elisabeth Vibom who got a son Anders Johan, March 19, 1827. That should be the link. I will return with more answers later.
 
What is Skalfalla?

2015-06-15, 05:25
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Skälfalla, Tjärstad, Östergötland: Tjärstad AI:11b (1851-1855) Image 141 / page 265 (AID: v29480.b141.s265, NAD: SE/VALA/00377)
 
Thanks for the Oppeby reference.  This also provides marriage year. Do you know why the Rylander is dropped here?

2015-06-15, 17:36
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Nils death notice appears in Kättilstad CI:5 (1828-1860) Image 298 / page 581 (AID: v38647.b298.s581, NAD: SE/VALA/00209).  This uses Rylander instead of Månsson.  Can you translate this?  I see he died of stomach disease and it appears he had a second wife: Eva Lotta Samuelsdotter, but the rest is not clear to me.  Thanks.

2015-06-15, 19:29
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Hi Leif, since you have been so helpful, if you have time, can you look at this also:  Oppeby CI:1 (1676-1754) Image 191 / page 373 (AID: v39574.b191.s373, NAD: SE/VALA/00289), at the bottom right appears to be the birth of Erik Wibom (Lisa's/Liskon's father).  The date and location matches what he said in household surveys, but it does not say Wibom.  It is also very hard to read.  If this is really him and you can read the names of his parents, we might be able to push the ancestry back another generation.  Thanks again.

2015-06-15, 20:02
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I was prepared to say that Erik Vibom was the owner, but then I found this: Frössvik. Klick the link to page 232, start at the bottom of this page, the owners are found at the top of next page. Ownership changed 1818 and 1829. You have located Frössvik on some map, such as Google Earth?
 
Vibom is not a very common Swedish name, there are only 200 adults having that name today, but still it is guite Swedish. Names at that time was not very fixed, thus Vibom and Wibom are the same. Also Lisa, Elisabeth and Lisken (Little Lisa) are the same. And if Rylander is dropped (was it dropped or did he take that name later?) means nothing.
 
Rote is a subdivision of the parish for taxation purpoises. The Rote had to supply some soldiers and support them and their families. Östra is the East Rote.
 
So far I have no trace of Erik Vibom after 1820, but a new manager at Frössvik arrived 1823.
 
Erik Magnus Rylander in Tjärstad is probably a son of Nils Månsson Rylander, but the day and month is not the same as in Oppeby AI:6. That is probably an error made somewhere in the records, you have to follow him all the way to find out. However it is very unlikely that this should be two different persons.
 
I suppose you now find all records that tie this together, or ask again!
 
The Death Record in Kättilstad read: Nils Rylander, September 4 (the death date), Homestead owner in Valla (Valla Östergård), born in Horn 1789 14/2, arrived to this parish 1838, married 1st time with Lisa Vibom, 2nd time 1832 with (still living?) Eva Lotta Samuelsdotter. ??? child Maria born 1837. Buried 11/9. He died of stomach illness, was 70 years old and married.

2015-06-15, 20:43
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OK, you already translated some parts yourself! The Birth Record in Oppeby CI:1 must be Erik Vibom. It says: Erich: the 21 March born and 23 Ejusdem (=same month in Latin) baptised Nils Johansson's and his wife Ingrid Knutsdotter's little son Erich i Wånga. (After that baptise wittnesses.) It is quite normal that it says nothing about Vibom, as that is most probably a name he took later.
 
Have you his marriage record, no 11 in Åtvid CI:3 (1745-1791) Bild 58 / sid 221 (AID: v42523.b58.s221, NAD: SE/VALA/00468)? That is in 1785 and he is already Vibom in Frössvik (already, well he is 39 years old).

2015-06-15, 23:48
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Hi Leif,
 
Thanks for all your help.  The information on names was most helpful, if a bit confusing when trying to perform genealogy.  I did not have the marriage record, thanks.  It has a slightly different date 16 vs. 25 than stated in household surveys.  Probably a record problem.  There are several words on that record that are not clear to me could you try to make out and translate the entire record?  And what is in the last column?  It looks like a 3.  Thanks.
 
On Erik Magnus Rylander, I see the error but I have lost his father's trail (Nils Mansson Rylander) in 1831 when the Knappesvik survey (Oppeby AI:7 (1831-1835) Image 61 / page 109 (AID: v28381.b61.s109, NAD: SE/VALA/00289)) says they moved to Hagerstad.  If you can find where they really went, that would help.
 
Thanks for translating the death record.  That confirms for me that he remarried and had another child with Eva.  Lisa Vibom must have died sometime between 1831 and 1832 as she shows up in the Knappesvik survey in 1831 when it says they are moving to Hagerstad but I can't find they ever made it there.  Since he was a homestead owner in Valla, does that mean he was in a different county?  I do not see Valla in Kattilstad county.

2015-06-15, 23:54
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Vibom or Wibom is just a question of spelling. It is pronounced the same way, the i like in in, it, is. Today there are 207 Wibom and 22 Vibom in Sweden.
 
The name sounds very Swedish and was used as a soldier's name.

2015-06-16, 01:08
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Hi Leif,
 
I finally found Erik Vibom in Hagstead in Hägerstad AI:6 (1824-1830) Image 85 / page 159 (AID: v26022.b85.s159, NAD: SE/VALA/00151), where he died on 11 May 1826 (my best reading of the record).  He appears to have moved with his wife to live with his next youngest daughter Brita and her family.  The youngest daughter appears to have married in 1824, returned in 1827, and left again in 1828.
 
Hi Kristina,
 
Thanks for the information.  Not a lot of Wibom/Vibom left.  Why would someone just take that name?---I see the answer, he was a soldier.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av djc2002us 2015-06-16 05:49)

2015-06-16, 03:39
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How did you found Erik in Hägerstad? Often the old parents lived with one of their children, and sometimes you se them move from one child to another. Brita and Erik lived in Fulmestad in Hägerstad.
 
Have you seen that there is a section on Wibom on this site? Use the search function. There seems to be a few unrelated Vibom in the 18th and 19th century, and those now living should be decendants to them. Erik seems not to be mentioned on the Wibom page. But there are meny more Vibom's now than in the 18th century.
 
Eric's marriage record say: 11  September  16  Fogden Eric Wibom från Frössvik med p.(igan) Brita Persdotter i ????torp  8
 
Fogde is the same as Befallningsman. Pigan is her title and say that she has not been married before. I don't manage to interprete where she comes from, but it ends in torp. The 3 is actually an 8 and is the amount of marriage fee they had to pay to the church. The richer you are, the more you have to pay, so Eric had to pay a lot. The 25 that you see in household survey is probably taken from the row above.
 
Walla is where they lived in Kättilstad, Kättilstad AI:15 (1856-1860) Bild 242 / sid 229 (AID: v24994.b242.s229, NAD: SE/VALA/00209).

2015-06-16, 05:47
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Hi Leif,  
 
I tried 3 different translation programs and received 3 different results for the article on Frösvik.  
 
I denna Socken märkes
 
Frösvik, 2 mantal Frälse-Säteri, med 1.5 underlydande Frälse-hemman vid Åsunden, .75 mil sjöledes och 3.8 mil landväg frän Kyrkan, har tillhört Kongl Rädet Gr. Jac. Spens, hvars mäg, Lagman D. Sparrsköld, sålde det till Löjtn. F. Duseö det tillhörde 1760 dess son, Löjtn. L. Duse, år 1818 Häradsh. Grefve J. M. Spens, Kapitenen Grafve C. Spens, 1829 Hof-Controllören J. Elg och Kamereraren C. Apelgren.
 
My best understanding from the 3 results follows:
 
In this parish:
 
Frösvik, 2 mantal on noble-manor, with 1.5 subordinates on noble-homestead Åsunden, located .75 miles seaborne and 3.8 miles overland from the church. It belonged to the Royal Council Gr. Jac. Spens, whose mag, Judge D. Sparr Shield, sold it to Löjtn. F. Duseö in 1760 and it belonged to his son Löjtn. L. Duse. In 1818 it belonged to Häradsh. Count JM Spens Kapitenen Grafve C. Spens. In 1829 it belonged to Hof Controllören J. Elg and Kamereraren C. Apelgren.
 
Can you help with this?  Sorry for the bother but I suspect the language used may be out of date causing the translators to have major problems.

2015-06-16, 06:01
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Hi Leif,  
 
I found Erik in Hagerstad by going page by page through the book. Thanks for the rest of the information.  I will try the search to see what else I can find.

2015-06-16, 17:24
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Hi David,
 
Most translation is correct, but Kongl Rädet is actually Kongl Rådet (Royal Advisor) and mäg is måg, i.e. son in law. Distances are in Swedish Mil = 10 km = 6 miles. But the distances in the document are reversed, it should be 3/8 mil (2 miles) across the sea and 3/4 mil (4 miles) by road. Sparrsköld is a name. Löjtnant and Kapiten are military ranks. C. Apelgren is the only one of the owners that actually lived at Frössvik.

2015-06-16, 18:34
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Hi David,
 
In Oppeby AI:7 (1831-1835) Bild 61 / sid 109 for Knäppesvik, have you seen that it is owned by S. Gustavi i Fullmestad, which is Brita Vibom's husband. Brukare (farmed by) Nils Månsson.
 
From there Nils Månsson and Elisabeth Vibom moves to Bankestad in Hägerstad AI:7 (1831-1835) Bild 19 / sid 24 (AID: v26023.b19.s24, NAD: SE/VALA/00151). Nils is Arrendator (tenant farmer) and that is where he takes the name Rylander, you see that it is added. Elisabeth dies 1832-02-03 (YYYY-MM-DD) and he marries the second time 1832-11-23. They got a child Maria Charlotta 1832-01-25 and Elisabeth died from Barnsbörd, i.e. the delivery of that child. Maria Charlotta died 1832-04-17 from Slag (stroke) and their next youngest Gustaf died 1832-05-10 from Tvinsot.
 
Next you find Nils Månsson Rylander in Hägerstad AI:8 (1836-1840) Bild 21 / sid 26 (AID: v26024.b21.s26, NAD: SE/VALA/00151).

2015-06-16, 21:38
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Hi Leif,
 
Thanks for the help in translation.
 
Thanks for the various details such as Nils farming the land of his daughter's husband.  
 
Where do you see the cause of death for Elisabeth, Maria Charlotta, and Gustaf? I do not see them on this page.
 
Using the moving in file I found that Rylander moved to Walla, Kattilstad 30 Mar 1838 -- Kättilstad BI:1 (1825-1841) Image 99 / page 17 (AID: v38638.b99.s17, NAD: SE/VALA/00209)
Kättilstad AI:11 (1836-1841) Image 216 / page 208 (AID: v24988.b216.s208, NAD: SE/VALA/00209)  
Kättilstad AI:12 (1841-1845) Image 228 / page 220 (AID: v24989.b228.s220, NAD: SE/VALA/00209) finally has Eric Magnus moving out to Tjärstad in 1842.  Unfortunately, the moving in/out records seem to be missing for that year and he is not in Skalfalla so it will require some work to find him in 1842.

2015-06-16, 22:16
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2015-06-16, 23:59
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No Kristina, Erik Vibom was not a soldier, he was Befallningsman/Fogde/Inspector.
 
The deaths are in Hägerstad CI:2 (1761-1845) Bild 187 / sid 369 (AID: v37883.b187.s369, NAD: SE/VALA/00151), all on the same page. Maybe you want interpretation and translation of Elisabeth's record? Hustru till Hemmansägaren Nils Rylander i Bankestad - Efterlämnade 8 barn - utmärkt för sann gudfruktan och ärbar vandel. Begr.(avd) d. 12 febr. Wife to Homestead owner Nils Rylander in Bankestad - Leaved behind (correct, you understand?) 8 children - distinguished for true devout and decent conduct. Buried the 12 February. Well, it is not easy to translate those old words...
 
You have Eric Magnus in Skälfalla, Tjärstad AI:11b (1851-1855) Bild 141 / sid 265 (AID: v29480.b141.s265, NAD: SE/VALA/00377). One trick is to check the children, and he have Christina Adolfina born 1846, Tjärstad CI:5 (1828-1860) Bild 1540 / sid 301 (AID: v41274a.b1540.s301, NAD: SE/VALA/00377). There you see that they live in Opphem. Still not easy as Opphem is very large, but finally you find him at Opphem Mellangård, Tjärstad AI:10b (1846-1850) Bild 42 / sid 65 (AID: v29478.b42.s65, NAD: SE/VALA/00377). There he manage to get a wife, four children and lose the wife and two of the children. I leave the rest to you...

2015-06-17, 00:10
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Hi Kristina, thanks for the links.
 
Hi Leif,
 
I finally found Eric in Opphem, Tjarstad --Tjärstad AI:9b (1841-1845) Image 38 / page 28 (AID: v29476.b38.s28, NAD: SE/VALA/00377).  This is a very informative page that could be helped by some more of your translation.  It appears that Lisa's sister Maria lives here with her husband, who also goes by Rylander.    
 
In the next census Tjärstad AI:10b (1846-1850) Image 42 / page 65 (AID: v29478.b42.s65, NAD: SE/VALA/00377), Eric's birthdate has changed and it is clearly him as the wife and daughter as still with him (until his wife dies in 1850).

2015-06-17, 00:54
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Hi Leif,
 
I did not see the death record at Hagerstad CI:2, which is what really confused me.  Thanks for the link and translation.  I understand about the old words.  
 
I see you and I found Eric Magnus at about the same time.  If you can look at the Trjarstad AI:9b image 38 and help me understand it, I would be most appreciative.

2015-06-17, 01:16
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Tjärstad AI:9b: First it say that 1/2 owner is Bokhållare (Clerk, Bookkeeper) Rylander at Fogelfors. It is also spelled Fågelfors and is a manufactury found in Högsby AI:9 (1839-1848) Bild 230 / sid 220 (AID: v22374.b230.s220, NAD: SE/VALA/00160). I am not sure if it is iron works or glass works. Books there are difficult to read, but I think there is Bokh. Alex Bagislaus Rylander, born 1822-12-16. He arrived 1840 and moved to Ulltuna 1849, no family.
 
Then there is Lieutenant Alexander Rylander, born 1779-12-06 in Horn and he arrived from Horn 1821. He marries Maria Vibom 1828-10-14 and she arrives from Hägerstad 1828. He dies 1843 and she moves to Linköping 1844. They have no children but his brothers doughter Carolina Rylander born in Oppeby 1825-02-03 is living with them and she also move to Linköping 1844.
 
Finally you have Erik Magnus Rylander and his family. The remark on him say: Eric M. Rylander and Alec Rylander own 1/4 each and farm 1/2.
 
You have a lot to do!

2015-06-17, 11:34
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Fågelfors bruk was an ironworks.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A5gelfors
 
Alexander Rylander was born 1822-02-16. The name Bogislaus came later.
Tjärstad CI:4 (1791-1827) Bild 71 / sid 137 (AID: v41273.b71.s137, NAD: SE/VALA/00377)
Tjärstad AI:5a (1822-1827) Bild 68 / sid 60 (AID: v29467.b68.s60, NAD: SE/VALA/00377)
Tjärstad AI:6b (1828-1831) Bild 29 / sid 45 (AID: v29470.b29.s45, NAD: SE/VALA/00377)

2015-06-17, 17:46
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Thanks.  That is very helpful.  I have a couple of questions.  
 
Does the remark on ownership/farm mean that half of each half (a quarter) of the land is farmed?  What is done with the other half?  
 
It appears clear with the pages that Kristina provided that Alex Rylander is the son of the Lieutenant (even though his birth year changed from 78 to 79).  Also, thanks Kristina for the link to the ironworks.
 
Do I understand correctly that Alex is a bookkeeper at the ironworks in Fågelfors?  
 
Since the ownership note was added later, should we assume that Alex inherited it from his father (after the Lieutenant died)?  Is it possible then that when Eric Magnus came in 1841 that be bought half of this from Alex, so that is why each owns a quarter?  
 
Does the remark on 1/2 being farmed imply that half of their half or a quarter of their half is farmed?  What is done with the rest?
 
On the next page, it shows the other half of Opphems Mellangård is owned by Alexander Rylander born 04 Nov 1816, who is the brother of Eric Magnus.  I believe it says he farms half and has tenants on the other half.

2015-06-17, 18:58
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To close out Erik Magnus Rylander, I decided to look at his death notice at Tjärstad CI:5 (1828-1860) Image 4130 / page 813 (AID: v41274a.b4130.s813, NAD: SE/VALA/00377).  If you could help with the translation and interpretation that would be most appreciated.  Is the third column the burial date?  Why would they delay until 07 Jan to bury him as this is almost a month after his death?  On a separate note, I see that his last son was born two months after he died.
 
Translation:  He owed a home in Opphems Brckara in Skälfalla.  He was born 29 Mar 1818. He arrived here in 1850. In 1852 he married Anna Sofia Eriksdotter his second wife.  2 daughters by his first marriage and 3 sons and Maria by his second wife are still alive.  (I can't understand any of the rest).  
 
Cause of death: ???
Arrived in Tjarstad in 1841
He is married
 
In the household survey Tjärstad AI:12b (1856-1861) Image 144 / page 271 (AID: v29482.b144.s271, NAD: SE/VALA/00377), there are additional words that I can't make out as well.

2015-06-17, 19:06
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Farms of all kinds was measured in their taxation size, Mantal. Opphem Mellangård was 1 Mantal divided on two households. One owned by Erik Magnus and Alex and farmed by Erik Magnus, who farmed the whole 1/2 mantal that they owned together. I don't know why they say farmed 1/2, it should have been enough to say that they owned it together. Furthermore, I am not fully convinced that it is really one 1 in 1/2, but what else could it be? Alex is bookkeeper at Fågelfors and therefore not a farmer, and it is very possible that the ownership comes from the inheritans, you don't see in the church records how the business was done. Alexander on the next page owned the second household. Note that the taxation siza for that part seems to have changed from 1/2 Mantal (vith the same qurious 1) to 1/4 Mantal, and taxation size sometimes was revised. Where do you see something about a tenant?

2015-06-17, 20:33
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Erik Magnus died of Vådlig händelse, which I should translate as accident, and that is the reason for the long delay.
 
The first row say that he is the owner of a homestead in Opphem, and you find that it is Mellangården, Tjärstad AI:12b (1856-1861) Bild 38 / sid 59 (AID: v29482.b38.s59, NAD: SE/VALA/00377).
 
Second row say Brukar i Skälfalla, is farming in Skälfalla. That is probably a better farm, but he is not the owner, however he still owns Opphem Mellangård.
 
Third row: Born 1818 26/3. Widower 1850
 
Fourth row: Remarried 1852 with Anna Sofia Eriksdotter. 2 doughters in 1st marriage
 
Sixth row: 1 son 3 doughters in 2nd. And there is a word I can't interpret, but it must be the cause of his death.
 
Seventh row: Legal besigtning = autopsy - Scrutinised (?)
 
Eight row: in Bankekinds District Court 29/12 (there should be a protocoll from this, unfortunately I know nothing about how to find it)
 
Nineth row: that he died of (from?) an accident
 
 
The note in Tjärstad AI:12b basically say the same thing about his death, but the word for what happened is not the same, still I can't interpret. Also, he got an honest funeral, thus it was not suicide, which was important to find out at that time.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Leif_lundkvist 2015-06-17 22:31)

2015-06-17, 22:14
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Hi David,
 
After a death an inventory (bouppteckning) has to be made, and I found Erik Magnus' in Kinda häradsrätt FIIIa:98 (1860-1860) Bild 367 / sid 727 (AID: v76984.b367.s727, NAD: SE/VALA/01548). They usually show who and when someone died and which the heirs are, such as a wife/husband and now living children. Then the assets and debts, in detail. Don't ask me to translate  but the assets ends (on page 5) and is 5002 Riksmynt. After that debts, 9694 Riksmynt, i.e. more debts than assets, which was not unusual.
 
I also found the inventory of Nils Rylander, Kinda häradsrätt FIIIa:98 (1860-1860) Bild 289 / sid 571 (AID: v76984.b289.s571, NAD: SE/VALA/01548).

2015-06-17, 23:25
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Thanks Leif for clarifying the farm information.  I do not know where I saw he was a tenant. Too many records, I must have confused this with something else.
 
By the way, the sixth row should be 1 daughter and 3 sons to match the records.  I also see his fourth son is born soon after his death.
 
If you get a chance can you translate the comments in Eric Magnus' row in the household survey Tjärstad AI:12b (1856-1861) Image 144 / page 271 (AID: v29482.b144.s271, NAD: SE/VALA/00377), there are additional words that I can't make out that might be useful.

2015-06-17, 23:49
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I already added the answer to the last question in my answer 20:33.

2015-06-18, 00:07
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Thanks Leif.  I am now on my search in Hagerstad where Erik's wife and children moved 7 Nov 1863.

 

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