Williams, Harry F b1863 in Sweden. Emigr 1887 ?

[Richard Williams]

Swedish emigrant from Sweden to America.
Harry F Williams born Sweden August 1863(census data)
 
Immigrated 1878 (in 1910 census) or 1888 (census 1900), prefer 1878 dating.
No ship lists found with his name as passenger.
First papers indexed in Philadelphia 1880 for Harry Williams from Sweden.
Naturalization in New York for Harry F Williams from Sweden in 1891.
 
Married in 1898 to Swedish emigrant Serafia Ekstrom (i have her family in Sweden ok).
Lived in Philadelphia 1900-1914. Half brother of Serafia Ekstrom found living nearby in Philadelphia.
No death or marriage certificates found yet.
 
I'm not sure how to proceed. A good Swedish genealogist looked for Harry F Williams in Swedish outgoing records. No luck.  
No marriage or death certificate indexes found in Philadelphia, so i can't request more documentation from them.

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Have you searched the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center? They have a website which you can google, but their extensive collection of records is NOT online. We need to go there to research or pay them to research for us. They have records which are difficult or even impossible to find elsewhere, and many of us have found the parish of birth there. We can also find records of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, and funerals until about 1930 using their records.
 
Judy

[Richard Williams]

i've only used ancestry and familysearch.  i'm hoping that genetic matching might help find a paternal match in sweden someday. the ever elusive harry f's name change is a silent thing, he probably just started using it off the boat and that wouldn't leave any paper trail to follow today. all those would might know what his family name in sweden was are dead, so unless a stray note pops up in their papers someday, i'll probably never know.

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Apparently you aren't going to try to find information at the Swenson Center. It has helped many people.
 
Judy

[Richard Williams]

I'm long term unemployed. I can't justify paying money for research.
Thanks to help received from e.h. and jab we've gotten really close to the ever elusive Harry F Williams.
 
3 potential 1st cousins:
1. Carl Arvid Kalstrom b:1874, only known to be a cousin.
 
2. Theresa Josefina Carlsdotter b:1867, her brother Charles Kilstrom b:1874 d:1913.  
Their parents Carl Johansson d:bef 1880 Inge Sofia Kilstrom b:1835
 
3. John Carl Kilstrom b:1874 his mother Carolina Wihelmina Kihlstrom b:1855.
 
All the people lived in Philadelphia PA 1895-1920.
 
Anyone familiar with researching these names, or have researched Philadephia Swedes with similiar names asked to share their expertise.
I'm so close to knowing my paternal line that it's getting pretty exciting *grin*.
 
If anyone is a potential relation (names similiar to those above) with I2a2-Isles paternal haplogrop is encouraged to email me, and submit dna data to gedmatch and y-chromosome results to Adriano Squecco's SNP comparison project at
http://daver.info/ysub/ because i have an unusual mutation that will show relationships nicely.
 
Thanks for all the essential help received from people. It is really gratifying to see so much effort on my behalf.
rmwilliamsjr@gmail.com

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Richard,  
 
This looks like Teresia. The mother was listed with a patronymic last name and not a surname, but the birth year fits. There is a brother named Karl (who would have been Charles in the U.S., probably).
 
1880 Swedish Census CD:
 
Johansdotter, Inga Sofia   1835   Mother
Karlsdotter, Teresia Josefina   1867   Child
(Barn), Johan Paulus   1871   Child
(Barn), Karl Rudolf   1874   Child
 
 
Record 1880-15-124-876
 
Johansdotter, Inga Sofia
Fattighjon
 
b. 1835 in Länghem (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Widow, mother
 
Torestorp Säteri
Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Place of birth (in the database): Länghem Älvsborgs län
 
 
Record 1880-15-124-877
 
Karlsdotter, Teresia Josefina
Fattighjon
 
b. 1867 in Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
d.
Woman, single, child
 
Torestorp Säteri
Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Place of birth (in the database): Svenljunga Älvsborgs län
 
 
Record 1880-15-124-878
 
Johan Paulus
Fattighjon
 
b. 1871 in Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
s.
Man, single, child
 
Torestorp Säteri
Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Place of birth (in the database): Svenljunga Älvsborgs län
 
 
Record 1880-15-124-879
 
Karl Rudolf
Fattighjon
 
b. 1874 in Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
s.
Man, single, child
 
Torestorp Säteri
Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Place of birth (in the database): Svenljunga Älvsborgs län
 
 
 
1890 Swedish Census CD:
 
Post 2815449
 
Johansdotter Kilström, Inga Sofia
Arbeterska
 
b. 1835 i Länghem (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Enk.
Widow (mother)
 
Fattighuset
Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Länghem
 
 
Post 2815450
 
Karl Rudolf
 
b. 1874 i Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
s.
Man, single (child)
 
Fattighuset
Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Svenljunga
 
 
Emibas CD:
 
Post 585843
 
Carlsdotter, Theresia Josefina
Piga = female farm worker. (unmarried woman)
 
b. 11/3/1867 in Svenljunga, Älvsborgs län (Västergötland)
 
Emigrated 10/14/1887
from Gullberg,Backagården, Örby, Älvsborgs län (Västergötland)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 293
 
Emibas migration file ID: Örby P 1887 019
 
 
1900 Swedish Census CD:
 
Record 1658092
 
Kilström, Inga Sofia
Inhyseshjon
 
b. 1835 in Länghem (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Widow
 
Ebbarp
Svenljunga (Älvsborgs län, Västergötland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Länghem Älvsborgs län
 
 
Emibas CD:
 
Post 589116
 
Carlsson, Carl Rudolf
Unmarried man
 
b. 7/27/1874 in Svenljunga, Älvsborgs län (Västergötland)
 
Emigrated 3/11/1892
from Fattighuset, Svenljunga, Älvsborgs län (Västergötland)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 415
 
Emibas migration file ID: Svenljunga P 1892 004
 
Judy

[Richard Williams]

i have:
1900 Swedish Census Fam. nr 1 About the person Name: Karl Johan Kihlström Homeparish: Jakob och Johannes rote 8 Residence: Hägerberget N:o 39 County: Stockholms stad Year of birth: 1874 Parish of birth: Västervik Kalmar län Born Nov 13 to Carolina Wilhelmina Kihlström. was illegit. page 172 for HE Occupation: Telefonarbetare Marital status: Unmarried (O) Gender: Man Family status code: Single (E) Page: 128 Row: 4 Karl Johan Kihlström, b. 1874 in Västervik Kalmar län, Telefonarbetare
 
Carolina Wilhelmina Kihlström
born about 1855.
 
is it possible to find her parents in sweden?
i'm hoping they are related to:
   
Johan Svensson
Birth 1811 in Ullasjö Parish, Älvsborg,sweden  
and
Britta Stina Callins  
Birth 1814

[Moderator USA]

Topic moved from Discussions in English as part of restructuring work.

[Harriet Hogevik]

Richard,
in 1880 census Carl Johan b 1874 in Loftahammar lives with his mother Carolina Wilhelmina Kihlström b 1858 Ed, (Kalmar county). They live in Kalmar and she is piga f.s.s. ( maid, försörjer sig själv = self supporting)
In SCB-draft 1874 for Loftahammar Carl Johan is noted as born, Nov 13, and baptised, but no age is given for the mother as she is actually lving in Västervik.
However, I can´t find any Carolina Wilhelmina born in Ed (= Västra Ed)1858
Harriet

[Richard Williams]

Continuing the saga of Harry F. Williams
 
I have this piece of data.
Name:   Carl A Kallstrom
Arrival Date:   20 Sep 1902
Age:   32 Years
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1870
Gender:   Male
Port of Departure:   Liverpool, England
Ship Name:   Noordland
Port of Arrival:   Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name:   H F Williams
Last Residence:   Sterldrola
 
I would like to know if this is him in Sweden:
1900 Swedish Census CD. Record 281807 Kjellström, Karl Adolf Dräng b. 1870 in (Stockholms stad, Uppland) Man, single Förteckning å qvarstående obefintlige åren 1892-1901 1900 Jakob och Johannes rote 7 (Stockholms stad, Uppland) Place of birth (original source): Stockholm  
 
I have ruled out these 3 KAK:
1874, born Carl Arvid Källström, in Haraker, Västmanlands län jab Verified this birth 30 Jun 1874 with the Swedish Church records. Sometimes the name actually looks like Kättström. Followed Carl Avid from birth to 1896 where he is listed as dead on June 17, 1896 while a resident of Gubbvad, Kila Parish, Västmanland County,
 
Karl Arvid Karlsson Källström, b Aug 31, 1872 in Hult, Jönköpings län, Småland. Emigrates April 18, 1890 from Hult. I think this is his sister: Karolina Charlotta Karlsdotter Källström, b Dec 31, 1862 in Eksjö, Jönköpings län, Småland. Emigrates April, 18, 1890 from Hult
 
Eva Kristina Johansdotter born 1829 had a son called Carl Alfred Källström born 6 sep 1872 in Fattigstugan in Härlunda. He died 1933 in Villa Bror in Svenljunga.
 
I think I have the right Karl Johan Kihlström who becomes John Karl Kilstrom in the US and marries my ggmother's sister Hilda. Thanks to help given above.
 
Likewise i think i have Charles Kilstrom born Carl Rudolph Carlsson, brother to Teresia Josefina Carlsdotter correct. He lives with my ggparents and dies in Philadelphia in 1913.

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Se också FamilySearch Forum och WeRelate.

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Karl Adolf Kjellström was born 1870-MAY-03 in Stockholm.
 
Rotemansarkivet 1889-1891
 
Personuppgifter
Namn: Karl Adolf Kjellström
Titel: Utan titel
Födelseuppgifter: Stockholms stad
Status: Ogift,ej HF,Anställd utan familj
 
Inflyttningsuppgifter
Inflyttad: 22/10 1889
Som: Inflyttad från ort utanför Stockholm
Från: Björnlunda
 
Boendeuppgifter:
Häftets nummer och tidsperiod: 43666 (1885-1898)
Arkivrote och stadsdel: 17 (Kungsholmen)
Församling: Kungsholmen
Littera: W 3
Fastighet: Mälaren,2
Gata: Svea Trängbataljonens 2-dra Kompani
 
Utflyttningsuppgifter
Utflyttad: 27/10 1891
Som: Utflyttad till annan rote
Till: 07
 
Övriga uppgifter:
Hushållsföreståndareuppgift: Rubrik:2-dra Komp Trängbataljonen
Titel, kommentar: 101
Kyrkoskrivningsuppgift: Träng Bat.
Utflyttningsuppgift: /Lund/  
 
Rotemansarkivet 1891-1900
 
Personuppgifter
Namn: Karl Adolf Kjellström
Titel: Dräng
Födelseuppgifter: Stockholms stad
Status: Ogift,ej HF,Anställd utan familj
 
Inflyttningsuppgifter
Inflyttad: 27/11 1891
Som: Inflyttad från annan rote
Från: 17
 
Boendeuppgifter:
Arkivrote och stadsdel: 07 (Norrmalm)
Häftets nummer och tidsperiod: 06996 (1889-1903)
Församling: Jakob
Littera: G 3
Fastighet: Hästskon,3
Gata: Hamngatan,24
Ägare: Bagaren,Sven,Engdahl
 
Utflyttningsuppgifter
Utflyttad: 99/99 1900
Som: Utflyttad till annan fastighet inom roten
Till: H 4
 
Övriga uppgifter:
Hushållsföreståndareuppgift: Engdahl
Militäruppgift: /Inskrifningssk.1896/172-2-96
Sida och rad i häftet: 4/1  
 
Rotemansarkivet 1900-1906
 
Personuppgifter
Namn: Karl Adolf Kjellström
Titel: Dräng
Födelseuppgifter: Stockholms stad
Status: Ogift,ej HF,Ensamstående utan barn
 
Inflyttningsuppgifter
Inflyttad: 00/00 1900
Som: Inflyttad från annan fastighet i roten
Från: G 3/4
 
Boendeuppgifter:
Arkivrote och stadsdel: 07 (Norrmalm)
Häftets nummer och tidsperiod: 07949 (1899-1906)
Församling: Jakob
Littera: X
Fastighet: Bilagan,
Gata: Bilagan,
 
Utflyttningsuppgifter
Utflyttad: 99/99 1906
Som: Kvarstående till slutet av mantalshäftets tidsperiod
Till:
 
Övriga uppgifter:
Militäruppgift: 172-2-96
Kyrkoskrivningsår: 1891
Sida och rad i häftet: 4/20

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Oäkta sonen Karl Adolf (f. 1870-MAY-03 i Stockholm) bor med sin moder mamsell Sofia Albertina Kjellström (f. 1833-MAR-11 i Björnlunda) i Bredsäter, Björnlunda [1].
 
Sonen flyttar 1889-AUG-19 till Trängbataljonen i Stockholm [2].
 
[1] Björnlunda AI:21 (1886-1890) p 409 (AID: v54542.b418.s409)
[2] Björnlunda B:2 (1861-1893) Image 112 (AID: v54546.b112)

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

I Bredsäter, Björnlunda bor 1881-1885 mor och son samt en brorson - Johan Hjalmar Kjellström, f. 1857-FEB-10 i Gryt [1].
 
[1] Björnlunda AI:20 (1881-1885) p 399 (AID: v54541.b398.s399)

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Johan Hjalmars födelsenotis 1857-FEB-10. Fader: Skolläraren och klockaren Johan Adolf Kjellström. Moder: Johanna Kristina Andersdotter [1].
 
[1] Gryt C:3 (1814-1861) p 132 (AID: v59149.b136.s132)

[Richard Williams]

Thank you Claes-Goran. Google translate works quite nicely here.
Thank you to Anna who supplied details via email.
 
Propose:
Johan Hjalmar Kjellström, f. 1857= my ever elusive ggfather Harry F Williams
Karl Adolf (f. 1870-MAY-03 i Stockholm) =Carl A. Kellstrom who arrives 20 Sep 1902 in Philadelphia on Noorland.
 
Question:
When/if Johan Hjalmar Kjellstrom immigrates from Sweden?
Does Karl Adolf Kjellstrom exit in the months prior to Sep 1902?
 
Data:
Last Swedish sighting: 1900 for KAK, 1885 for JHK.
 
I have a potential arrival for Johan K.
Name:   John Kjellstrom
Arrival Date:   17 Nov 1882
Birth Year:   abt 1858
Age:   24
Gender:   Male
Place of Origin:   Scandinavia
Port of Departure:   Liverpool, England
Destination:   Chicago, Illinois
Port of Arrival:   New York
Port Arrival State:   New York
Port Arrival Country:   United States
Ship Name:   Baltic
 
 
Problems:
Harry F Williams birth on 1900 US Census is given as Aug 1863, on 1900 Census about 1866
JHK is going to Chicago.
 
Request:
Either of these men listed as emigrating from Sweden?
 
aside:
What English names go with Hjalmars? Harry seems a stretch. If HFW is Johan Hjalmas where does the F. come from? Johan H. does have a brother who died young: Adolf Werner Kjellström
Birth 19 JAN 1859 in Gryt, Östergötlands län, Östergötland. Died . Death 4 JAN 1860, which might be source of Williams.

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

If this is the right Carl A. Kellstrom I think you should check Sofia Albertina Kjellström's siblings and their children.

[Richard Williams]

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Björnlunda AI:10 (1831-1835) Bild 349 / sid 344 (AID: v54531.b349.s344,
NAD: SE/ULA/10120)
 
1831-1835, Klockaregården, Önnersta, Björnlunda, Södermanlands län,
Södermanland
 
Joh(an). Er(ic). Kjellström, b. 12 MAR 1805 in Kärnbo, Södermanlands län,
Södermanland
Anna Cajsa Persdotter, b. 25 JUL 1791 in Björnlunda, Södermanlands län,
Södermanland
 
Their children
Johan Adolf, b. 27 MAR 1827 in Björnlunda, Södermanlands län, Södermanland
Sophia Albertina, b 11 MAR 1833 in Björnlunda, Södermanlands län,
Södermanland
-----------------------------

[Anna Persson]

Hej Claes-Göran,
Jag letade lite baserat på vad du hittade och problemet är att Sofia Albertina bara har en bror
 
Johan Adolf Kjellström, b. 27 MAR 1827 in Björnlunda, Södermanlands län, Södermanland. Han gifter sig med Johanna Christina Andersdotter, b. 12 OCT 1833 in Gåsinge, Södermanlands län, Södermanland och de får två söner. Johanna Christina Andersdotter dör 25 APR 1860 och det verkar inte som Han gifter om sig.
Johan Hjalmar, b. 10 FEB 1857 in Gryt, Östergötlands län, Östergötland.
Adolf Werner, b. 19 JAN 1859 in Gryt, Östergötlands län, Östergötland. Adolf dör 4 JAN 1860.
 
Saken är den att vad som eftersöks är en kusin till Carl A Kallstrom som möter honom när han kommer till USA, denne kusin är Harry F Williams.
Vad jag inte kunnat hitta är om Sofia Albertina Kjellström's son, Karl Adolf Kjellström emigrerade 1902 (vilket är vad Carl A Kallström enligt Emibas gjorde) eller inte. Eftersom han ska till sin kusin Harry F WIlliams hoppas vi genom att hitta den rätte Carl A Kallström, slutligen finna Harry F WIlliams (som har ett väldigt amerikaniserat namn).  
 
Jag tappar bort Johan Hjalmar Kjellström efter 1870 Björnlunda AI:17 (1866-1870) Bild 288 / sid 279 (AID: v54538.b288.s279, NAD: SE/ULA/10120). Jag har dock inte stora förhoppningar på att Johan Hjalmar är Harry F Williams, men det hade varit gott att kunna utesluta honom om inte annat. Det hade också varit bra att kunna verifiera Carl A Kjällström, om det nu är han som är den Carl A Kjällström som emigrerar 1902 eller inte.
 
Anna

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Johan Hjalmar bor med sin faster och kusin Karl Adolf i Bredsäter, Björnlunda, enligt folkräkningen 1880, och som synes ovan.

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Finner inte Johan Hjalmar i folkräkningarna 1890 eller 1900.

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Han flyttar till Stockholm 1885 och återfinns i Rotemansarkivet (åtminstone en bit in på 1890-talet).

[Richard Williams]

re: Johan Hjalmar K.
He moved to Stockholm in 1885 and is located in [color=0000ff]Rotemansarkivet[/color] (at least well into the 1890s).
 
If you can find last occurrence, I'll search for arrivals from that date. First firm date for Harry F Williams is his marriage to Serafia EKSTROM in 1899. There are Harry Williams' in Philadelphia directories but we can not show from address continuity or occupation conclusively that they are him.

[Helene Jorsell]

Johan Hjalmar Kjellström, born in Gryt on february 10th, 1857, died on the 16th of March 1898, living in the Stockholm parish Adolf Fredrik. By then he had lived in Adolf Fredrik and at Lundagatan 44 since October 1896.
 

 
Source: Adolf Fredriks kyrkoarkiv, Död- och begravningsböcker, FI:15 (1895-1899)

[Richard Williams]

Thank you Helene, cross another possibility off the list.

[Moderator USA]

In the posting above dated 26 oktober 2011 - 20:55 an adjustment is made (formatted [color=0000ff]blue[/color]), as Google translate has not managed this ok. It had translated Rotemansakrivet into Lanzarote's archive.
 
As ther's no official name in English for this part of Stockholm City Archives, I think the best way is to use original language in this case. I do not see any connection with the island Lanzarote (among the Spanish Canary Islands)...

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Added Teresia Josefina Karlsdotter (1867-) to the WeRelate wiki.