Springert (Springer), Bror Karl and Erickson, Gustava

[Kimberly Maher]

Charles Bernard Springer was born Bror Carl Springert on 12 Oct 1850 in Härnösand, Vasternorrland. I believe he is illegitimate. I have seen his birth record from the parish records, but, of course, I cannot translate it. His mother was Maria Britta Wilhelmina. Apparently he and his mother moved to Sundsvall, but I can't find them. Any idea how to figure out who his father was?
 
He married abt 1978 to Gustava Erikson who was born 31 Jan 1854 in Sunnansjo, Normadling, Vasterbotten. I have seen what I believe is her birth record, too, but I cannot tell who her parents were.
 
Can anyone translate those two birth records for me? And tell me who their parents were?
 
Thank you!
Kimberly

[Mattias Kvarnström]

Oktober
[Born] 12
[Christened] 14
[Name] Bror Carl / oäkt [illegitimate]
[Mother] M. Br. W. Springert / [Mother's age between (for statistical purposes)] 20 - 25
[Witnesses]  
Skom. Springert och hustrun [Shoemaker Springert and his wife]
Bonden A. Sjöman o. hustrun  
från Sjöns S:n o. Korsta by [The farmer A. Sjöman and his wife from the parish of Skön and the village Korsta]
Bonde Sonen Jonas Lundqvist
från Häggdånger och Lindom [Farmer's son Jonas Lundqvist from Häggdånger and Lindom]
och
Sara Joh. Springert  
From: Härnösands domkyrkoförsamling CI:4 (1834-1860) Bild 121 / sid 117 (AID: v121646.b121.s117, NAD: SE/HLA/1010081)
 
Between 1843 and 1850 Maria Springer lived in Skön, Tunaby.
Skön AI:5 (1845-1852) Bild 22 / sid 27 (AID: v122324.b22.s27, NAD: SE/HLA/1010180)
 
 
Between 1879 and 1882, the worker Bror Karl Springert and his wife Gustava Ersdotter (born 1854-01-31 Nordmaling) with the children Augusta (1879-12-02 Skön) and Karl Gustaf (1881-04-10 Skön) lived in the parish Skön, Korsta. They married 1879-07-13 in Skön. The family (formally) emigrated from the parish to North America 1882-07-10.
Skön AI:8a (1873-1882) Bild 318 / sid 314 (AID: v122328.b318.s314, NAD: SE/HLA/1010180)

[Chris Bingefors]

He has his mother´s surname and there is no mention of a father. Parents had the right by law to remain anonymous in those days, so finding out who the father was will be difficult or impossible.
 
Brita Maria Wilhelmina Springert moved to Skön, a parish close to Sundsvall. She was working as a maid and married worker Nils Bertil Hanell 12 Sept 1868. She died from stomach cramps 22 April 1869. Bror Carl moved into the same parish 19 Nov 1862(same date as his mother), he married 13 July 1879 and moved with his family to N America 10 July 1882.
(Source:Indiko database)
 
Brita Maria had been living in Skön between 1847 and 1850, she was a maid at Tunaby (Source: Skön AI:5 (1845-1852) Bild 22 / sid 27 (AID: v122324.b22.s27, NAD: SE/HLA/1010180), Presumably, the father of Bror is to be found in Skön

[Chris Bingefors]

Two answers at the same time! I am wondering about the witness from Skön - could there be a clue as to the paternity there?

[Karen Van Etten]

Kimberly - Gustava's mother's name is abbreviated in the birth record, as Gr.St.Pährs., i.e. Greta Stina Pehrsdotter.  The father is named as Eric Jonathonss., i.e. Jonathon's son.  Her mother is more formally known as Margreta Christin Pehrsdotter, as seen fairly well in Nordmaling's household record for 1863-1872 [GID 2012.23.59900]. Her parents married during September, 1845 [GID 2012.2.13300].  There were quite a few other children born to the couple.

[Kimberly Maher]

Oh my GOODNESS. You people are amazing! This is beyond fantastic. Thank you so much!!! (Seriously, it is quite fun to go to bed with lots of questions and wake up with all these answers!) We have known NOTHING about my great-great grandparents. This is fabulous. Don't worry, I will be back with more questions, probably.  
 
I am pretty good with US Genealogy, if y'all have any questions here.....
 
Tack
 
-Kimberly

[Kimberly Maher]

Mattias and Chris -  
 
You both mention that Maria Springert worked in Tunby b/t 1843 and 1850. I see the page that you mention. On that page are several different categories of people, it seems. Could you tell me what the different categories are? Are they the same household? Are they different types of workers? In the middle of the page there is a Carl Anton Jensen. He seems to come from the same area as Maria. Could you tell me what the words are between his name and his moving in and moving out days? I wonder if he might have been the namesake for my Great-Great Grandfather? How would I say that in Swedish? Mor-Mor-Far-Far? (Bror Carl is my mother's mother's father's father.)
 
Thanks guys....

[Chris Bingefors]

He is a Mechanicus (Mechanic) the words are his moral status: Reading and understanding is acceptable and his conduct respectable.
 
It i not possible to prove paternity unless there is more definite proof such as a court case.

[Kimberly Maher]

Thanks!

[Kimberly Maher]

I have one more question about Gustava Ersdotter from above. The last time I see her with her family in Sunnansjö, Nordmaling, Västerbotten is GID Number:    2012.32.68700
Volume: AI:14B Roll/Fiche Number: HA-63 Page Number: 518. She moved to Sunnsvall and married Bror Carl Springer and emigrated to the US.
 
My grandmother (Gustava's granddaughter) remembers her grandmother talking about one of her sisters who moved to the US, but they never found her. Is is possible to figure out which of her sisters also emigrated? That Household examination that I cited shows Gustava leaving for Sunnsvall (I think) but none of the others have any indication.
 
Any ideas?
Thanks!

[Eva Sandevik]

In AD AI:16b page 659 you find that a sister, Leontina, is written out to N Amerika in 1893. You also find Leontina in AD BI:3 page 98 nbr 30 Leontina Eriksdotter to N Amerika April 29 1893.

[Kimberly Maher]

Thank you very much, Eva. I don't know how you found that. But that page is full of information on some of the other family members, too, when I look carefully.
 
Thanks much!!!

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