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Författare Ämne: Olson, Olof Gustav b1814 - Emigr 1868 - Relatives ?  (läst 2126 gånger)

2010-06-29, 07:14
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My great-grandfather was born in Sweden in 1841 and emigrated to the United States in 1868.  His name was Oloaf Gustav Olson and he was born on 19 March 1841.  I do not know where in Sweden he was born.  However, I do have a photograph of his parents but no name for them.  I have posted below the photograph and the name of the studio where it was taken.  I wonder if anyone can tell me the names of the couple in the photograph and any other information available.  If that is not possible, can anyone give ma an address where I might contact the studio, if it still exists.
 
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Carl Olson
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2010-06-29, 07:36
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Carl, this could be him from the cd Emibas - and it's not too far from the city of Trollhättan:
 
Post 540851
Olofsson, Olof Gustaf
Dräng (unmarried man)
b. 3/19/1841 in Gärdhem, Älvsborgs län (Västergötland)
Emigrated 3/19/1868
from Halltorp, Gärdhem, Älvsborgs län (Västergötland)
to Amerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 119
Emibas migration file ID: Gärdhem P 1868 002
 
Olsson is a common name of the same root as Olofsson (Olof's son could have the name Olofsson or Olsson).
 
I looked briefly in a register over Swedish photographers in 1899, and did not find Ida Mellgren there.
 
A look at the household records (clerical survey) for Gärdhem in the volume that covers the period 1867-1881 (AI:9, page 119) shows farmhand Olof Gustaf Olofsson, as above. He is noted to have moved in from Trollhättan in 1863 and emigrates in 1868.
 
According to the notice in the book of births and baptisms (Gärdhem volume C:5, covering the years 1818-1843, page 205) his parents were Olof Peter Olofsson and his wife Maria Forsberg, in Halltorp, Gärdhem parish.
 
That is the same couple that is still living at the farm in 1868, on the same page 119, and Olof Peter is given to be born on 25 May 1811 in Gärdhem, and wife Anna Maria Forsberg was born 1791 in Trollhättan (no date given).
 
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Eva

2010-06-29, 08:53
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Björn-Åke Petersson

I can add that Olof Peter Olofsson died 1901 dec 1 and the wife 1887 Apr 19, both quite old.
And if it is the couple on the picture well shaped for thier age!  
I will search for facts abot Ida Mellgren

2010-06-29, 09:25
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Ida Mellgren was born 1853 and died 1918, She lived with her mother och grandmother in the block Vulcan in Trollhättan. She was also an artist.
 
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2010-06-30, 05:22
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Eva and Björn-Åke
 
Thank you very much for the information.  I have two additional questions for now.
1.  How would I proceed to aquire a birth certificate for Olof Gustaf Olofsson?
2.  Is it possible that the date for his mother's birth (Maria Forsberg)is in error?  If she was born in 1791, she would have been 50 years old when he was born.  That seems very old even for one of healthy Swedish stock.
 
Thanks again
Carl Olson

2010-06-30, 06:14
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Carl, there are no birth certificates issued in Sweden, a copy of the birth book is what you get. I looked at it at one of three providers of Swedish church books on Internet (in my case ADOnline), the original book is kept at the Regional Archives in Gothenburg.
 
Yes it might be an error, that may be established by looking at every volume of the household records backwardss and then to find her birth and baptim notice.
 
Unfortunately I don't have the possibility today to make a print screen copy of the birth notice for Olof Gustaf and upload here or to follow his mother. Hopefully someone else will step in.
 
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Eva

2010-06-30, 07:19
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New information
 
Maria Forsberg was born 1798 Apr 25 at Trollhättan, daughter of Eric Forsberg och Helena Nilsdotter
in her first marriage with Nils Jacobsson in Velanda skattegård, Väne-Åsaka parish. With him she had 6 children
 
Maja Lena Nilsdotter b. 1820 febr 14
Johan Nilsson        b. 1821 mar 14
Eric Magnus          b. 1822 nov 7
Anna Catharina       b. 1824 oct 4
Johanna Sofia        b. 1826 may 11
Brita Stina          b. 1828 apr 19
 
and in the 2-nd with Olof Peter Olofsson
 
Eva Sara             b. 1832 july 2
Inga Lena            b. 1834 may 29
Carl August          b. 1836 jan 16
Anders Johan         b. 1837 june 4
Svante               b. 1839 July 21
Olof Gustaf          b. 1841 mar 19
 
Now we can say that Maria Forsberg is mother to Olof Gustaf Olofsson
 
 
Björn-Åke
 
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2010-07-01, 17:59
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Carl,
 
yes, Maria Forsberg is really mother of Olof Gustaf
 
from Gärdhem birth record march 19 1841

 
Christina
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2010-07-03, 17:28
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Carl when Anna Maria Forsberg died in 1887 following paper is given.
 
It is not translated in english, but you see the children och that Olof Gustaf is the only one
who was in Amecia. I noticed also that the parents had given big loans to the swedish liveing children.
15.000 sw kronor. And that was lots of money in 1887.
 
 Väne härad ST 1887 A P nr 9
 
År 1887 den 1 juni förrättades efter uppdrag bouppteckning efter avlidna hustrun Anna Maria Forsberg i Halltorp som avled den 19 april detta år och utom efterlevande mannen Olof Petter Olsson såsom arvingar efterlämnat med honom i senare giftet sammanavlade barn sönerna Karl August Olsson i Getås, Fors socken, Svante Olsson i Vargön, Olof Gustaf Olsson vistandes i Amerika, men vars rätt härvid bevakades av hans tillförordnade gode man Karl August Olsson i Getås samt döttrarna avlidna Eva Saras efterlevande barn nämligen Johan Oskar, myndig och Karl Alfred, omyndig vars rätt bevakades av hans fader och förmyndare Janne Andersson under Sylte, Olivia Maria, gift med verkstadsarbetare Karl Hajlmar Hernvall, Ida Charlotta och Selma Kristina som befullmäktigat fadern nämnde Janne Andersson att vara närvarande, även Inga Lena gift med skomakaren F F Widén i Uddevalla och Anna Kristina gift med lantbrukaren K J Andersson i Olofstorp, alla härvid själva genom förordnande och fullmakt närvarande.
Dessutom finnes barn i förra giftet nämligen Maja Lena och Katharina för vilka förevisades av dem givna kvittenser, vari upplyses att de i förskott uppburit sin blivande arv efter dess moder samt avsagt sig vidare arvsanspråk. Testamente av den 18 maj 1859 och tingsförd samma dag finnes, vari den avlidna förordnat att i händelse hon före sin man Olof Peter Olsson skulle med döden avgå så äger han att kvarlåtenskapen i deras bo oinskränkt under sin livstid behålla och bruka.
Boet uppgavs av änkemannen och antecknades i följande ordning.
 
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2010-07-04, 23:45
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I would like to thank everyone who sent in data on this request.  Your efforts are greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks Again
 
Carl Olson

2010-07-05, 16:59
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My Fathers Mothers Mother was a sister to Ida Mellgren. Their parents was Leornard Mellgren born 1800 died 1854 and Martina Liliebjelke born 1804 died 1897 Trollhättan
It´s good to see she is in USA
My  English its not so good but I am suprise when I read your messenge  
best regards Ulla-Lena

2010-07-05, 23:32
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Ulla-Lena
 
I did not mean to imply that Ida Mellgren or her relatives were in the USA.  The reference was to a photograph she apparently took of my ancestors.  I think she ran a photography studio in Trollhätten around 1880-1900.  Here is a link to some other photographs that she took.
 
http://www.genealogi.se/portratt/files/22/Trollhattan_Ida_Mellgren.html
 
Carl

2010-07-06, 00:02
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I wonder if I might impose on you for one more question.
 
Olof Gustaf Olson married Matilda Charlotta Engstrom in the USA in 1874.  She was also an emmigrant from Sweden.  Here is what I know of her:
 
Name:  Matilda Charlotta Engstrom
Birthday:  29 September 1849 or 28 September 1849
Place of birth: Sweden (I have no other details)
Emmigrated to the USA in 1869.
Married to Olof Gustaf Olson in 1874 in Denver, Colorado, USA
A man named John Engstrom stood for her at her wedding.  He may have been a brother or cousin or some other relative.
She lived in the state of Kansas in the USA from 1870 until she died.
 
Any information available on her possible birthplace and parents would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thank You
Carl Olson

2010-07-06, 00:17
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Hi Carl,
 
This could be her. She's not called Engstrom here but she's worth looking into. See also the Anders Magnus Engstrom leaving from the same place, same year. Also worth looking into.  
 
Post 210916
 
Nilsdotter, Mathilda Charlotta
Piga (unmarried woman)
 
b. 9/29/1849 in Björkö, Jönköpings län (Småland)
 
Emigrated 4/21/1869
from Rösa Lillegd., Skede, Jönköpings län (Småland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 24
 
Emibas migration file ID: Skede F 1869 049
----------------------------
 
Post 210876
 
Engström, Anders Magnus
Son (unmarried man)
 
b. 10/31/1844 in Skede, Jönköpings län (Småland)
 
Emigrated 2/22/1869
from Bengtstorp, Skede, Jönköpings län (Småland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 173
 
Emibas migration file ID: Skede F 1869 009

2010-07-06, 01:35
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Susanna,
 
Thank you very much.  Is there any information on the parents of Mathilda Charlotta?
 
Thank You
Carl Olson

2010-07-06, 15:35
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I don't see Mathilda Charlotta's birth in Björkö 1849, so there is probably some error in the birth information. GID 1069.14.19200, [Jönköping] Björkö, B.1, Births, 1846-1859, pag 31, Image 20.
 
BTW, in the Skede household record at Rösa Lillegård she is called Thilda Charlotta Nilsdotter, born 29 Sep 1849 Björkö, GID 1130.19.16000, [Jönköping] Skede, AI.11, Household examination, 1866-1870, page 24, Image 29.
 
She was in the previous HFL in GID 1130.17.34500, [Jönköping] Skede, AI.10, Household examination, 1861-1865, page 30, Image 37.
 
She had come 1865 from somewhere, in the moving-in records (number 40 1865) you can see it is Bexheda (Bäckseda) parish, GID 1130.29.30500, [Jönköping] Skede, B.2, Moving in,Moving out, 1861-1874, Image 44.
 
She is found in the Bäckseda moving-out records as number 44 of 1865, Thillda Nilsdotter moving from page 4 to Skede. GID 1075.25.2600, [Jönköping] Bäckseda, B.1, Moving in,Moving out, 1861-1870, page 41, Image 26.
 
She is recorded at Bragderyd(?) Fridhem(??) as maid Mathilda Charlotta Nilsdotter, born 1849-09-29 Björkö, had come 1864-11-01 from Björkö. GID 1075.17.900, [Jönköping] Bäckseda, AI.11, Household examination, 1861-1870, page 4, Image 9.
 
Unfortunately Genline doesn't have Björkö moving-out records for 1864, and the 1862-1869 HFL seems to be missing half of the volume.
 
Perhaps she was born elsewhere, and then when she moved from Björkö, it was just assumed she had been born there.
 
// Bo Johansson

2010-07-06, 16:12
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Hi Carl, hi Bo,
 
I did not get to it yesterday, needed some sleep after the 4th of July celebrations. Yes, Bjorko is sure missing quite a bit of information in Genline, and it may be that a lot has been destryoed over the years. However, as you can see from the table of content it is listing born in Navelsjo, and there seem to be other books for Bjorko. And, if you go to the specific Navelsjo parish, you'll see a different book, but same children. There is a Mathilda Charlotta born in Dec that year but her parents are too off to be hers. I'll see what nearby parish might be of interest in this case. It is weird as Bjorko is hardly mentioned as a place in any of these records (above).  
 
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2010-07-06, 16:47
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Ah!  
 
What a mess in those records! I had to go to Arkiv Digital...to look up what they had in available records and how they listed them. It is clearly so that Bjorko = not Navelsjo as in the birth records you find in Genline under Bjorko. Well, I went back to Bjorko in Genline and looked among all records (selecting all records, not only births) and 1069:18 C:3 contains birth/marriages/deaths 1833-1861 for Bjorko!  
 
So, here she is on Image 54; Mathilda Charlotta, b. Sept 29, baptized Sept. 30, 1849. Parents; Crofter Nils Nilsson and his wife Anna Christina Petersdotter. To me it looks like they live in Bödstugan, Björkö. I'll see if I can find the family in the hh record at that time.  
 
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2010-07-06, 17:00
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It is Rödstugan.  I find the family living in Björkö and Rödstugan, 1846-1852.  
 
They are listed as;
 
Crofter Nils Nilsson b. Mellby (?) 1812, Dec 5
Anna Christina Petersdotter, b. 1808, May 28 (can't read where she's born, will look into that if you want me to)  
Children;
Anna Lovisa, b. 1939, Jan 19, Nävelsjö
Johan, b. 1842, Oct 14 or 19, Björkö
Johanna, b. 1845, May 28, Björkö
Frantz, b. 1847, June 2, Björkö
and Mathilda Charlotta as above
 
Susanna

2010-07-07, 23:09
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Susanna,
 
This is very interesting information.  From what you have found, it appears as though the birth date matches with my ancestor and the year she went to the USA also matches.  Without being very familiar with naming conventions in Sweden at the time, I am still wondering about the discrepancy in the last name.  My information (which is from a marriage license) indicates her last name is Engstrom.  Could she have married before she left Sweden?  How would a women normally acquire the name Engstrom if it was not her maiden name?  I have done some preliminary searches here and have been unable to find anything.
 
Thanks
Carl Olson

2010-07-08, 16:10
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In Sweden before 1901 you could take any surname (except a noble name) at any time, and many people did.
 
The EMIHAMN database on the Emigranten 2001 CD has a MATILDA CH ENGSTRÖM emigrating alone via Göteborg 1869-05-21, home parish and county not stated, and age recorded as 0 (Source code 1:554:21234).
 
Could this be Mathilda Charlotta Nilsdotter, who got her moving-out certificate 1869-04-21 from Skede parish? In such case the age must be an error, but it seems VERY strange that someone less than one years old travels alone.
 
There was an Engström family from VINDA (Vireda parish?) emigrating the same day, destination NEW YORK (Source code 1:554:2258).
 
But a check in the HFL shows that this family did not have a daughter named Matilda Charlotta, they are found at soldier cottage number 46 under Släthög Sörgård in GID 1145.24.8400, [Jönköping] Vireda, AI.13, Household examination, 1866-1870, page 128,  Image 84.
 
Unless this Mathilda Charlotta was born for example in Göteborg before they boarded the ship, and they got a new ticket for her...
 
// Bo Johansson

2010-07-08, 20:33
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I think I have found another clue to solving the reason for the name change.  
Mathilda Charlotta Nilsdotter had an uncle who was a harmonist - playing in the army I suppose. He called himself Gustaf Pettersson Engström. Her mothers uncle, Johannes Pettersson Engström, also used this name. So the name Engström was in the family.  
(I just saw that Inga Olsson found that Mathildas brother also  when he emigrated)  
You called for the birth certificate. As said there was no such thing, but this is her birth note (the faint one at the at bottom):

It is from Björkö C:3 page 50, 1849
/Karl-Henrik
 
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2010-07-08, 23:04
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Here is some more information about Mathilda Charlotta Nilsdotter-Engström
 
She was born on Sept 29 1849 in Rödstugan under Klockaregården in Björkö parish as the youngest of 6 sieblings.  
Her parents were
2. father Nils Nilsson born Dec. 5 1812 in Skogsäng, Mellby parish and died Feb 2 1859 in Rödstugan (as above) married on Dec 27 1835 in Nävelsjö parish to
3. mother Anna Christina Petersdotter born May 8 1808 i Grimmestorp, Höreda parish and died July 27 1859 in Rödstugan (as above).  
- so Mathilda was only 10 when she was orphaned and both her parents died.
Other sieblings where:
- Frans August born Jan 8 1837 in Nävelsjö (might have died young)
- Anna Lovisa born Jan 19 1839 in Nävelsjö
- Johan born Oct 14 1842 in Björkö
- Johanna born May 28 1845 in Björkö
- Frantz born June 2 1847 in Björkö
Nils parents:
4. Nils Persson born 1765 in Hult parish (whom I could not find there) and died May 4 1812 in Skogäng, Mellby parish married May 15 1796 in Mellby to
5. Catharina Carlsdotter born Oct 8 1777 in Stora Stuveryd, Björkö parish.  
Anna Christinas parents:
6. Peter Persson born Feb 6 1775 in Änkarp? (also not in birth record) Höreda parish and died July 23 1832 while visiting his brother Johannes Engström in Skede parish. Married on Nov 14 1801 to
7. Christina Månsdotter born Dec 23 1778 in Skepperstad parish and died March 15 1820 in Grimmestorp, Höreda parish.  
I have followed these families back further in secondary sources (DISBYT). Åke Mosskull who lives in Höreda may have more info. BTW, I was born in the nearby parish Edshult.  
/Karl-Henrik
 
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2010-07-09, 18:41
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Susanna, Bo, Karl-Henrik,
 
Thank you so much for all the info you have sent.  It answers many questions my family has had for some time.  I greatly appreciate you time and effort.  This information will keep me busy for some time.  
 
Thanks Again,
Carl Olson

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