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[Courtney Fosberg]

I am looking for more information regarding my great, great-grandparents Charles C. Fosberg and Christina Fosberg. They were both born in Sweden in the later 1800's. They both were married in 1899. They left for New York,USA after that. They had two children Edith and Edwin.

[Kerstin Farm]

Hello Courtney
 
Do you have a more precise birth date? There are a lot of Charles or  Karl which is his name in Sweden.
 
And perhaps a location in Sweden?
 
Kerstin Farm

[Kristina Gunnarsdotter]

Fosberg doesn't sound Swedish. In the 1890 census there is only one: Maria Johanna, born 1847. Husband Jöns Petter Eriksson, born 1841. They have a son Karl August, born 1875 in Överluleå, Norrbotten.
 
It's more likely that the name would be Forsberg, whereof you find 3915 persons in 1890.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Kristina1 2011-03-26 22:48)

[Mats Ahlgren]

In census 1900 is information missing about Charles and Christins birth and the information about marriage 1899 seems to be wrong.
Edith was born in Massachusetts feb 1891 by Swedish parents.
 
This is probaly the family from 1920
 
1920 United States Federal Census  
about Carl A Fosberg  
Name: Carl A Fosberg
[Carla Fosberg]  
Home in 1920: Boston Ward 2, Suffolk, Massachusetts  
Age: 67  
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853  
Birthplace: Sweden  
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]  
Spouse's Name: Christina Fosberg  
Father's Birth Place: Sweden  
Mother's Birth Place: Sweden  
Marital Status: Married  
Race: White  
Sex: Male  
Home owned: Rent  
Year of immigration: 1882  
Able to read: Yes  
Able to Write: Yes  
Neighbors: View others on page  
Household Members: Name Age  
Carl A Fosberg 67  
Christina Fosberg 54  
Edith Fosberg 27

[Chris Bingefors]

Here is the birth notice for Edith, I wonder if the father was not called Forsberg in Sweden
name:   Edet Elvera Fosberg
gender:   Female
baptism/christening date:   
baptism/christening place:   
birth date:   19 Feb 1890
birthplace:   Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts
death date:   
name note:   
race:   
father's name:   Charles Fosberg
father's birthplace:   
father's age:   
mother's name:   Christina
mother's birthplace:   
mother's age:   
indexing project (batch) number:   I01922-1
system origin:   Massachusetts-EASy
source film number:   592820
reference number:   4471

[Chris Bingefors]

In the 1910 census:
Carl A Fosburgh   52
Christina Fosburgh   49
[47]  
Edith Fosburgh   10
[20]  
 
Immigration for Carl here given as 1874, in other censuses 1884

[Mats Ahlgren]

What happened with Edwin, any idea of his age?

[Inga Olsson]

Could it be this family who left Sweden from the parish Maria Magdalena in Stockholm to Boston on the 29th of Aug 1883?
The persons were
father Carl August Forsberg born in Svennevad,Örebro county on the 14th of July 1848
mother Christina Forsberg born Jansson in Visnum, Värmland county on the 9th of April 1853  
and the daughter Signe Augusta born in Maria Magdalena parish on the 7th of Feb 1879.
This info according to Rotemansarkivet in Stockholm

[Courtney Fosberg]

Thank you all so much for responding. It was said that my last name did use to be Forsberg, not Fosberg, but no one knows why it was changed or who changed it or even if that was true. My grandfather's name is Charles and that would make sense if his great-grandfather's name was Karl (Charles in English).---The only thing my grandfather knows about his grandparents is that their names are Charles (likely Karl) and Christine Fosberg. They were both from Sweden and had 2 children Edith and her younger brother Edwin (my great-grandfather). I do know that Edwin was born in the US around 1903--not sure about Edith. I would guess 1890's. Edwin and his wife Margaret raised their family in Massachusetts.---I tried gathering dates on Ancestry.com, but now think I may not have had the correct Charles. I will search Karl Forsberg. I don't know why Edwin hasn't come up on the census records, because all the other information looks to be the family I am looking for.I so appreciate all your help! Please let me know if this helps to narrow anything down. Thank you again and Happy Spring!  
I wish my family had kept better records! I will start the tradition with my little boy

[Courtney Fosberg]

Karl Fosberg was born in 1858. I check with Ellis Island records. He arrived, at age 35, to New York on June 10th 1893. I did not see his wife's name on the list of passengers. I would assume his real last name is Forsberg. If anyone has any information regarding his place of birth, occupation, etc. it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much! Courtney

[Mats Ahlgren]

The man arriving on board New York to New york on June 10 1893 is Karl Forsberg from Tuna in Västernorrland, travelling together with Per A Forsberg and Alfred Forsberg. They left Gothenburg May 26 and are heading for Warren, Pa
 
On Emibas is the following found, another possible man??
Post 453151
Andersson Forsberg, Karl
Skomakare (gift man)
f. 10/5 1858 i Hjärnarp, Kristianstads län (Skåne)
Utvandrad 10/4 1893
från Mölle B 28, Brunnby, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
till Amerika
Källa: Husförhörslängd, s. 235
Emibas emigrationsakt: Brunnby M 1893 007

[Helene Jorsell]

Before we try to find a Karl Forsberg/Fosberg, who emigrated from Sweden to America, maybe the question about Edwin's background ought to be discussed.  
 
Courtney, I believe this is your great-grandfather (from the SSDI)
 
First Name: Edwin
Middle Name:    
Last Name: Fosberg
Name Suffix:    
Birth Date: 1 March 1903
Social Security Number: 030-01-4633
Place of Issuance: Massachusetts
Last Residence: Middlesex, Massachusetts
Zip Code of Last Residence: 01760
Death Date: August 1978
Estimated Age at Death: 75
 
I have gone through the birth certificates of Massachusetts without finding any Edwin Forsberg/Fosberg. Do you know whether he was actually born in Massachusetts? There is one Edwin born on March 1, 1903 in Boston, however he was the son of a John E. Johnson and his wife Frances C Leary.  
 
Do you know with all certainty, that Charles (Karl) Fosberg and his wife Christine, lived in Massachusetts? The fact remains, Edwin is not with the above family in census 1910 and 1920.  
 
Kind regards Helene
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av hjor 2011-04-03 10:56)

[Helene Jorsell]

The above mentioned Edwin Johnson is to be found in the 1910 census, living with his parents and a large number of siblings. I was wondering if he possibly - at some point - could have been a foster child of a Forsberg / Fosberg family but so far, no sign of that;
 
Census 1910;
 
Name: Edwin Johnson
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Residence: Boston Ward 20, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Massachusetts
Mother's Birthplace: Massachusetts
Family Number:    252
Page Number:    10
    
Household   
Parent    John E Johnson, 39y
Parent    Frances C Johnson, 33y
Children;  
Helen M Johnson, 12y
Mildred Johnson, 10y
Edwin Johnson, 7y
Grace Johnson, 3y
William Johnson, 0y 0m

[Helene Jorsell]

I have searched the 1930 census without finding Edwin Fosberg. When and where did he married Margaret?
 
Helene

[Helene Jorsell]

This topic might be of some interest. Charles Forsberg was born in 1876 in Sweden and he married in 1906 in Worcester, Massachusetts. He came to the U.S already in 1896. http://aforum.genealogi.se/discus/messages/241/99485.html?1167933977
 
His marriage in Worcester, Massachusetts in 1906; https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.familysearc h.org%2Frecords%2Fpal%3A%2FMM9.1.i%2Fdgs%3A004329356.004329356_00855
 
Helene

[Chris Bingefors]

It looks more like this Karl:
 
Post 1880-17-69-958
 
Karl Gustaf
 
f. 1877 i Brunskog (Värmlands län, Värmland)
 
s.
Pojke, barn i familjen
 
Brunsbergs bruk
Brunskog (Värmlands län, Värmland)
 
Registrerad födelseort: Brunskog Värmlands län
 
Family 1880:
 
Forsberg, Gustaf   1840   Far
Landgren, Kajsa   1842   Mor
(Barn), Anders   1867   Barn
(Barn), Anna Kajsa   1871   Barn
(Barn), Augusta   1874   Barn
(Barn), Karl Gustaf   1877   Barn
----------
Landgren, Maria Kajsa   1859   Ensam

[Helene Jorsell]

You're probably quite right Chris.
 
The question still remains, there is no sign of any Edwin Forsberg or Fosberg (born around 1903) in any of the federal censuses of the U.S (1910, 1920 & 1930).
 
Helene

[Chris Bingefors]

But he certainly exists according to the SSDI

[Helene Jorsell]

Yes he certainly did! I do not question his existence, just his background!

[Bengt Johansson]

(Jag ber om ursäkt för att jag skriver på svenska.)
Som Chris nämner i ett tidigare inlägg finns familjen upptagen i 1910 års census, Boston: Carl A, 52, Christina, 47 och Edith, 20, Fosburgh. Vad som är intressant är att det anges att Christina har fött två barn, varav endast ett lever vid 1910 års census.
 
Edwin Fosberg nämns i tre antavlor hos Ancestry (men två av dem är utlagda av samma person). Alla tre anger att han föddes 1/3 1903 i New York och dog i augusti 1978 i Natick, Middlesex, Massachusetts. Enligt en av antavlorna hade han sonen Robert C Fosberg, född 26/10 1925 i Framingham, Middlesex, Massachusetts, död 30/8 1993 i Natick, Middlesex, Massachusetts. (I just denna antavlan kallas fadern Frank Fosberg. Modern anges vara Christine Johnson, född 1868 i Sverige.) Här kan man kanske börja fundera lite. 1920 års census tar i Massachusetts, county Middlesex, Framingham upp Edward Fosberg, 17, född i Massachusetts, fadern född i England, modern född i Sverige. Han bor hos Charles Bater, 48, född i England, och hans hustru Christine, 52, född i Sverige. Vad som är förbryllande är att Edward Fosberg anges vara Son-in-law, fast han samtidigt anges vara ogift. (Det nämns inte några barn till paret Bater.) Man kan kanske undra om det fanns något samband mellan denne Edward Fosberg och Edwin Fosberg, eftersom båda tydligen har bott i Framingham.

[Chris Bingefors]

And there was the solution, Bengt!!
Son-in-law meaning stepson, here a marriage between widow Christine Fosberg Johnson and Charles Bater 1914:
name:   Charles Bater
titles & terms:   
event:   Marriage
event date:   11 May 1914
event place:   South Framingham, , Massachusetts
gender:   Male
age:   41
marital status:   
race:   
birth date:   1873
birthplace:   Bristol, , England
marriage registration year:   
marriage registration place:   Framingham, , Massachusetts
estimated birth year:   1873
father:   Alfred Bater
father's titles & terms:   
mother:   Annie
mother's titles & terms:   
spouse:   Christine Fosburg Johnson
spouse's titles & terms:   
spouse's race:   
spouse's marital status:   Widowed
spouse's father:   John Johnson
spouse's father's titles & terms:   
spouse's mother:   Ellen Carson
spouse's mother's titles & terms:   
record number:   18637
film number:   2409947
digital folder number:   4329372
image number:   01159
number of images:   1
 
Hon är 44 år vid vigseln, det är hennes andra äktenskap, hon står som född i Danmark i vigselregistret
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla 2011-04-03 21:12)

[Courtney Fosberg]

Okay--I was even more confused and curious after reading all your comments. I just called everyone in my extended family amd stumbled upon some answers--and more questions. Christine (Johnson) Fosberg from Denmark married Frank Fosberg from Sweden. He was born in 1855.(There was no Karl/Charles). Frank's father's name was Andrew Fosberg--also born in Sweden. Christine and Frank had two children, Edith and Edwin Fosberg. Frank died from TB on June 10th 1910 in Wellesley, Massachusetts at age 55. Christine did remarry Charles Bater in Framingham, Massachusetts on May 11th 1914. Strangely, no one has any information on Edith. She is a complete mystery. We know she did exist because Edwin's last words were now I will go see my sister, Edith. Edwin died in 1978 in Massachusetts. Another strange thing is that no one can find a birth certificate for Edwin. Maybe he was born out of wedlock?? I also don't know when Frank and Christine arrived to the US or when they married. If anyone could find out and information about Frank and his father Andrew that would be great. We do not know anything about Frank's mother. If you have any information on Edith my family would really like to know what happened to her. I wonder if she was born with some sort of mental/physical disability and lived somewhere else. I have a cousin with autism and wonder if possibly Edith suffered from that. Thank you all so very much! You have been unbelieveably helpful! P.S. Bengt--I wish I could have read what you wrote! It sounded like you had the correct family! Thanks again! Courtney

[Chris Bingefors]

Strange. There is a Frank Fosberg, born ca 1855, in Wellesley, MA in 1910, married for 9 years, but no wife in the household, immigration 1882. He is living with some lodgers: Inga Evenson from Norway and Lena Carlson from Sweden. The strangest thing of all is that in the next door house, the line above Frank is Charles Bater! He is a boarder from England, immigrated 1902.
 
Apparently, Frank is separated at this time, maybe they have been separated for a long time. So, where is his wife and children? And, why does Christine marry Charles Bater,, the neighbour, four years later?

[Chris Bingefors]

Frank is often the English version of Frans, here is one possible candidate for Frank Fosberg:
Post 766765
 
Forsberg, Frans Gustaf
Dräng (unmarried man)
 
b. 3/15/1855 in Gunnarskog, Värmlands län (Värmland)
 
Emigrated 11/4/1882
from Fredros, Gunnarskog, Värmlands län (Värmland)
to Nordamerika
 
0611882114 - Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Emigrantregistret i Karlstad
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 1093
 
Emibas migration file ID: Gunnarskog S 1882 114

[Chris Bingefors]

Marriage Frank and Christine in Quincy, MA:
groom's name:   Frank Forsberg
groom's birth date:   1855
groom's birthplace:   
groom's age:   47
bride's name:   Christin Johnson
bride's birth date:   1865
bride's birthplace:   
bride's age:   37
marriage date:   15 Oct 1902
marriage place:   
groom's father's name:   Nils Forsberg
groom's mother's name:   Casa Jonson
bride's father's name:   Gust
bride's mother's name:   Elin Carlson
groom's race:   
groom's marital status:   
groom's previous wife's name:   
bride's race:   
bride's marital status:   
bride's previous husband's name:   
indexing project (batch) number:   I00858-5
system origin:   Massachusetts-EASy
source film number:   745493
reference number:   182
 
This means that the Frans Gustaf Forsberg I found above is the right person! He was born 15 March 1855 in Gunnarskog, parents are blacksmith Nils Forsberg and his wife Cajsa Andersdotter (she may have had a father called Anders Johansson).
Christine is a cook and here she is said to come from Sweden.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla 2011-04-05 07:33)
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla 2011-04-05 07:50)

[Chris Bingefors]

The birth year for Christina varies in the sources, as do her place of birth and parents between the marriages. IF she is from Sweden I have a very uncertain guess for her:
Post 270090
 
Johannesdotter, Kristina
Torpardotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 12/17/1862 in Stenbrohult, Kronobergs län (Småland)
 
Emigrated 5/1/1891
from Regnhult Oxholmen, Stenbrohult, Kronobergs län (Småland)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 308
 
Emibas migration file ID: Stenbrohult G 1891 021
 
Her mother is Elin Carlsdotter and father Johannes Jonasson which could fit with the names given in her second marriage. She emigrates to Boston via Denmark in 1891.

[Chris Bingefors]

The 1943 Natick, MA directory lists Christine Bater, widow of Charles, she is in the 1946 also, lives at Brigham Street. According to directories they moved from Wellesley about 1917. Charles is still listed in 1930, with Christine

[Chris Bingefors]

In 1900 there is a Christine Johnson, cook, at Ipswich, Essex, MA. She has March 1867 as her birth date and she is said to have immigrated 1892.That would rule out the above mentioned Kristina. This Christine is emplyed in a household, the name of the head seems to be Arthur Severton.

[Courtney Fosberg]

Wow, Chris! You are great at finding out information. Yes, Wellesley, Masschusetts is where a lot of my family lived years ago. (Framingham, Natick&Wellesley are all within a few miles of eachother.) My grandfather, Charles Fosberg, still lives at the house on Brigham Court in Natick where he grew up with his parents Edwin and Margaret and his 3 brothers. I was just there yesterday! My family all still live in Natick. I am just a town away. I heard that Christine lived with Edwin&Margaret until she passed away. I was just told that Charles Bater was an alcholic and I don't beleive it ended well with he and Christine. Still no word of Edith? I guess she will be our family mystery. That marriage date for Frank&Christine would make sense since Edwin was born on March 1st 1903. I guess the name Andrew for Frank's father was also incorrect. I know that Christine had sisters and one was named Blenda Swan. (I now have another family member attemtping research on the family tree again!) Thank you so much! I will do some research on Gunnarskog, Värmlands län in that era to get a feel for the time period and what life was like back then. Again, thank you. This is all so interesting to me. My family loves hearing what I have found out! Have a great day!

[Chris Bingefors]

There is a Blenda Swan who is naturalized in Wellesley June 12, 1933. The original documents will be in US District Court, Boston. Petition number 147023. She was born 1869 (ie 64 years on the date). In the 1930 census she is 62 years old and immigration date given as 1885.