Carlson, Alfred W b1862 Sweden. Emigr ca 1883 - Swedish roots ?

[Barry Hill]

HoooooooooooooooooRRRaaaaaHHHHH!  I went through every post systematically picking out every name date and place and linking it into Roots Magic.  I made notes for every detail date and saved those along with the dates in Roots magic.  I saved lots of other info as well.  I still have a list Arkivdata links that I think Olle posted that I have to check out but I have made a lot of headway from everyone's research. I have caught up to the bulk of the information.
 
I have about 20 names of past family members, some great family history facts, and some living relatives all from the help I got from those that use this website.  In the process I have met some of the greatest people in the world.  All of you deserve a tremendous amount of credit and recognition for what you do.  In the days ahead I will have time to get to some general questions and hopefully I can keep you posted on contact with my cousins
 
Time for bed in Pennsylvania.

[Barry Hill]

OK, I have sent letters to 3 living cousins, 2 on Selma's side of the family and one on Alfred's side of the family. I would hope that out of 3 letters I will hear from someone in the family.  I gave my email address so I hope it comes by email to speed it up some.
 
I typed the letters so it might be easier for them to read than cursive hand-writing.  I also hand addressed the envelopes and printed one of the photos above on the letter along with a photo of myself,so it would not look like some junk mail or advertisement that they throw in the trash without reading.  I am pretty excited to see what happens but I have also prepared myself that they may not be interested.

[Barry Hill]

I hope someone notices this post.  I just looked up Selma Elisabeth Jonnson's birth record (my first real search by myself).  First I looked it up on Ancestry.com in the Slöta, 1870 birth record (born 27 Oct 1870 birth #35). The Ancestry film was SC-933. While I could not translate some of it I could tell it was her.  
 
Then I just wanted to see if it was much better in ArkivDigital.  In AD I went to what I thought was the exact same record (Slöta C1:9 image 11 birth #35)  Strangely while the info is similar, the image is of different books.  The columns are laid out differently, the handwriting is different, the column headings are different.  Why does it look to me like there are 2 different birth records?  I am confused.
 
Barry
PS: I made contact with one of Selma's brothers g-granddaughters and got a reply .

[Carl Wolf]

Hi Barry, I think the book you looked at in ArkivDigital is the original parish birth and baptism book whereas the record on Ancestry.com is the SCB Extract.  You can tell if it's an SCB Extract because the Swedish word Utdrag (meaning extract) is the first word in the heading on each page.  See page 121 in Cradles in Sweden for more explanation but basically starting in 1860 each parish filled out extract forms for all of the births, deaths, and marriages during the year and these were sent in to the central church.  That's why the columns are different since there were different forms that were used for the parish books and the extracts, though as you noted the basic information in each is the same.  Also usually you'll find that one person filled out the extract forms for a given year while several different priests made entries in the parish book.

[Barry Hill]

You are of course absolutely correct.  It does have Utdrag at the top.  I wondered why it looked like almost like large loose pages rather than the nice bound books.  Thanks Carl, that makes it clear. I have not gotten much into Cradled in Sweden yet but I love Your Swedish Roots what a great book.

[Kristina Gunnarsdotter]

The extract was sent to SCB, Statistiska Centralbyrån (Central Bureau for Statistics), for demographic statistics. It has nothing to do with the church.
 
http://www.scb.se/default____2154.aspx

[Carl Wolf]

Kristina, thank you for correcting my error!

[Barry Hill]

Back at the beginning (about the 6 post from when I first started this search), Mats Ahlgren found Selma Elisabeth AI:11, page 94 line 5
 
It shows her emigrating to N.Amerika.  I just looked this up on AD and it refers to an emigration Attest.#29  I guess this is some official emigration document.  If that is true, and there is such a record, is there a place I could find such a record and what would it show?
 
Also I can not come up with a good translation for Fräjd Och Särskilda Anteckningar  I can find enough to now it is Specific notes about something.  There is writing there for Klas that I cannot read.  
 
Thanks
 
Barry
 

[Barry Hill]

As I look at this #29 again for Selma I realize it must be a reference to the page of another book.  I would presume it to be a parish moving out book for the the year range that includes 1889 but I have yet to find it.  I want to understand everything on this record not only to improve my ability to research but also just to fill in small clues about the family.

[Olle Kandell]

Yes it is a reference to Slöta BI:4 In- och utflyttningslängd 1870-1889 = Moving in- & out records (Arkiv Digital).  
You can find Selma Elisabet in record #29 (in frame 80 or page 87) as in cut below.
(N.B. This book is combinated with the Wedding book for same period - starting from frame 83).
 

 
Sometimes appendices to the moving records can be found. Those documents showed a lot more information.
As far as I can see, there are not any for Slöta the actual period. You can find a sample for an earlier period
under Slöta HII:1 (1801-1868) further down in AD search index for Slöta.
 
Sinc
/Olle

[Leif Lundkvist]

Hi Barry,
 
It is Slöta BI:4 (1870-1889) Bild 80 (AID: v28488.b80, NAD: SE/GLA/13491). It does not really give more information than what you can see in Husförhörsboken. The attest is the paper that she got to show in the parish she moved to, containing her data, such as name, birth date, if she was free to marriage, and other things. So far I have never used the actual attest in my research, only the note about them in move out and move in books.
 
Leif

[Laars Lövdahl]

Barry,
 
I can add that Fräjd (Also spelled Frejd or Frägd sometimes) in the column heading has the  
meaning of Reputation or personal character. Sometimes the Clergyman gave a note about a  
person's moral character. For Klas I think the writing are notes about payments for work that  
Klas has done some years. Arbetsbet. = Work payment. In the column “Flyttat” “Moving out to”  
you often see a Parish name, i.e. the parish they moved to. If you see a number there they  
have moved to a place within the same parish and the number refers to a page in the same  
Household examination book. You can also see N.b 375, as in this case, which means page  
375 in the new book (Nya boken). Sometimes, In the column for “Flyttat in från” Moving in  
from” you can see the abbreviation G.b. (Gamla boken) = Old book' i.e. the page in the old  
book they moved from.  
 
Lars

[Leif Lundkvist]

Barry and Lars,
 
I think that Arbetsbet. = Arbetsbetyg = Work attest (CV???). An example of a move out attest is found at .
 
Leif

[Laars Lövdahl]

Leif,
 
Thanks for correction, you are right.
 
Lars

[Barry Hill]

Even though the Family History Center 10 minutes away has free access to both AD and Genline data over Ancestry.com, I still signed up for a summer subscription to AD just for convenience. I am determined to understand these records.  Your Swedish roots has helped a lot but I still get confused.  Your last 3 posts all add pieces to the puzzle.  Even if I learn one little thing per day I feel it is progress.  
 
I know I will have many questions coming in the next several days while I actually try to learn to follow these tracks myself. I would love to be able to sit down with one of you for about an hour.  
 
That N.B. 375 is for the Slöta Husförhörsboken 1880-1894 for Klas Levin Adamsson. Does that mean I would expect to see him on page 375 of the next Husförhörsboken 1895 - 19XX in Slöta if there was actually one available? (in this case there is not one in Arkiv Digital)

[Barry Hill]

Two posts were made while I was in the middle of making my last post but this is what I am doing.
It was clear from the Slöta household record that Klas Levin was born in Hångsdala. It was also clear that there were some non-typical spacing of children. Mother Maja Lena was b:1830, Klas b:1858, Amanda Agusta b:1866
 
To me this means there were likely children between Klas and Amanda and maybe even before Klas.  Going back to an earlier household record 1870-1880 in Slöta (A1:10 page 76 line 14) I find Maria Charlotta b:1856 in Hångsdala.  I confirmed both Maria & Klas birth in Hångsdala C4: pages 35 & 49.
 
Question 1: If I want to look at the Hångsdala Husförhörsboken for about 1858 or later? Do I have to just scan the hundreds of images in the entire book or am I missing some way of narrowing down the search to a town or farm where they lived?
 
Question 2: The Slota A1:10 page 76 shows Selma and Hilda born in what looks like ibm.  I found both of them in the Slota birth book however (CI:9 image 29) All the children have a number in parenthesis.  Next to Hilda is (.  My guess this means she is the 8th child to this mother.  If so it confirms my guess that 3 are missing.

[Harriet Hogevik]

Hi Barry,
in Slöta the Husförhörslängder stops with 1894. The New book thus is called Församlingsböcker 1895-1927 (which is available at SVAR) and it is at page 375 in Församlingsbok /församlingsböcker (there are several) you should look for Klas Levin.
In Hångsdala C4 an address within the parish is given both for Maria Charlotta 1856 and Klas Levin 1858 - I think it might be interpreted as Skatte-(gården ?) Hångsdala. In the Husförhörslängd there is sometimes (not always!) an address index, called ortreg.(=ortsregister) of the farms and other places within the parish to help narrowing the search. The address index could be found at the beginning OR the end of the husförhösrslängd.
The number, for example ( given in C1 is the number of the child for the couple.  
Regards Harriet
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av HKH 2012-06-06 22:26)

[Leif Lundkvist]

Hi Barry,
 
AD too has those books, it is Slöta AII:2 (1895-1927) Bild 1440 / sid 375. But it is Maja Lina that is moved to the new book (N.B. 375 is on her row) and Clas Levin moves to Söderhamn 7/7 (July 7) 1885, move out certificate nr 43 that year.
 
Regards
Leif

[Leif Lundkvist]

Barry,
 
After 1927 you might find people in Mantalslängden (records for taxation) for the year 1941. In Slöta it is the next last item in the list of volumes, Vartofta häradsskrivare FIIc:297 (1941-1941). It works only if they have not moved or died...
 
Regards
Leif

[Barry Hill]

I am looking for suggestions on the logical way to proceed so I can learn how to best work my way back or forward. This may be too  
much to expect others to follow
 
I know Maja Lena Carlblom Jonsson had 8 children.  She was b:1830 married:1855  The obvious gap is between Karl Levin B: 26 May 1858
in Hångsdala (confirmed in birth records) and Amanda Agusta B:31 July 1866 in
Mossagarden,Slöta  
 
I see the family in 1861-1870 Slota AI:9 page 163.  Four children are at home.  The oldest Maria Charlotta b:6 July 1856 is gone.
 
what is the logical course to see a family record of the family before the period of the Slöta AI:9 page 163 record? I checked under
Mossagarden in the prior Slöta record.  I checked in two family record volumes for Hångsdala 1849-1860 and 1861-1868.  In Hångsdala I checked
Skattegården, Skäddaregården, and Skatte).
 
I don't expect others to do the search but if you can follow the clues I have, and what I want to find (evidence of other children at home),  
where would an experienced person begin the search.  I am prepared to look at every page in the two parish Household record books if needed
but not if there is a smarter way.
 
So far I have printed and saved images of every record and they are rather organized in a 3 ring binder.
 
One last question, After Klas, Selma, Hilda it looks like ibm. Does that mean like a ditto mark meaning a repeat of the parish listed above?  

 
As always, Thanks for the help, and I fully understand if you get to the point that you can't invest any more time with my endless questions.  
Barry

[Olle Kandell]

The ibm. = ibidem (latin) means in the same place.
 
/Olle

[Harriet Hogevik]

Hi Barry,
the missing children may have died very early and maybe not been noted in the family record but only as birth and death. You could search interesting years as 1855 and 1859-1865 in Hångsdala and Slöta for the children. If you find them, maybe you get a good address at the same time.
 
Or maybe start by searching the marriage - where did the couple live at that time?
Regards Harriet

[Barry Hill]

Harriet, Thank you.  Once you mentioned a logical path it seems so obvious that I should have though of looking in birth records and scanning parents names.  Sometime I just need a nudge (or a hard shove) in the right direction).
 
And Olle K. thanks to you. I actually looked for a parish with that name or abbreviation   then the more I looked at it I began to see a pattern.  I even vaguely remember reading that in  Your Swedish Roots but could not find it.

[Harriet Hogevik]

Hi Barry,
in Slöta AI:9 page 163 is given under the heading Flyttat från, år (= moving in from, year):
p 107, 67 which means the family moved within Slöta.  
If you look at Slöta AI:9 page 107 you will be able to go on backwards.
Regards Harriet

[Barry Hill]

Harriet,
 
There they are in Enåsen Slöta and there also are two of the missing children with their birth and death dates.

 
 
 
Harriet, clearly I have to stop and study the way these records are linked because I overlooked that info:
Hi Barry ...in Slöta AI:9 page 163 is given under the heading Flyttat från, år (= moving in from, year):  p 107, 67 which means the family moved within Slöta. If you look at Slöta AI:9 page 107 you will be able to go on backwards.

[Olle Elm]

Hi Barry,
 
When we had our last discussion, I made the following notes in my database.  
Perhaps you can use it, when you do your own research.  
f = birth
hfl = family archives (as above)
d = death
v = marriage
LJ = webside I have mentioned before
 
Regards from,
Olle E.  
 
 
                     *** Generation I ***
 
         m
       3 Maja Lena Carlbom, born 1830-11-21 in Valstad skattegård,
         Valstad. f,hfl).
         
         Married 1855-02-25 in Hångsdala to  
         Adam Jonsson, born 1833-11-13 in Frälsegården, Härja,
         dead 1890-11-27 in Mossagården, Slöta. arbetare
         in Mossagården - hus under, Slöta. (f,v,hfl).
         
         Children:
         Selma Elisabeth Adamsdotter, born 1870-10-27 in Mossagården,
           Slöta. (f).
           
 
                     *** Generation II ***
 
         mf
       6 Johan Gabrielsson Carlbom, born 1798-03-28 in Berg, Velinga,
         dead 1853-04-03 in Bosgården 2, Valstad. bonde in Bosgården 2,
         Valstad. (f,d,hfl).
         
         Married to the following ancestor
 
         Children:
         Maja Lena Carlbom, born 1830-11-21, see ancestor 3.
         
         mm
       7 Anna Kajsa Johansdotter, born 1804-06-16 in Bosgården, Valstad.
         (f,hfl).
         
         Married to the previous ancestor
 
 
                     *** Generation III ***
 
         mff
      12 Gabriel Gustafsson, born 1749-09-29 in Haäng skattegård, Velinga,
         dead 1831-03-30 in Berg, Velinga. bonde in Berg, Velinga. (hfl,LJ).
         
         Married to the following ancestor
 
         Children:
         Johan Gabrielsson Carlbom, born 1798-03-28, see ancestor 6.
         
         mfm
      13 Katarina Andersdotter, born 1762-07-25. (hfl).
         
         Married to the previous ancestor
 
         mmf
      14 Johannes Olofsson, born 1757-09-10 in Hångs?. Resident
         in Bosgården 2, Valstad. (hfl). (Bosgården 3/8).
         
         Married to the following ancestor
 
         Children:
         Anna Kajsa Johansdotter, born 1804-06-16, see ancestor 7.
         
         mmm
      15 Stina Germundsdotter, born 1774-12-25 in Valstad. (hfl).
         
         Married to the previous ancestor
 
 
                     *** Generation IV ***
 
         mfff
      24 Gustav Månsson, born 1719-07-22 in Skattegården, Velinga,
         dead 1784-12-06 in Vrågården, Velinga. gästgivare in Haäng,
         Velinga. (LJ). Bou 1785:29 Dimbo 17/1 1785.
         
         Married to the following ancestor
 
         Children:
         Gabriel Gustafsson, born 1749-09-29, see ancestor 12.
         
         mffm
      25 Lisken Persdotter Carlbom, born 1721 in Källegården, Karleby,
         dead 1802-06-23 in Källegården, Karleby. (LJ).
         Bou 1802-07-05 Dimbo.
         
         Married to the previous ancestor
 
         mmmf
      30 Germund.
         
         Children by unknown mother:
         Jonas Germundsson. (dv).
           trol i Lillegården Otterstad? - se 1804 C:2 sid 470.
         Stina Germundsdotter, born 1774-12-25, see ancestor 15.
         
 
                     *** Generation V ***
 
         mffmf
      50 Per Olofsson, born 1690, dead 1764-04-11 in Källegården, Karleby.
         rusthållare in Källegården, Karleby. (LJ).
         
         Married to the following ancestor
 
         Children:
         Lisken Persdotter Carlbom, born 1721, see ancestor 25.
         
         mffmm
      51 Ingeborg Månsdotter, born 1703, dead 1774-06-13 in Källegården,
         Karleby. (LJ).
         
         Married to the previous ancestor

[Barry Hill]

Ollie E. thanks so much.  
 
I am on the road visiting family for about 4 or 5 days so I am not sure how much I will be online but rest assured I am following up on all this information to the best of my ability.  I am trying to build full family group records on all of the generations and fill in details about their history as there are clues (cause of death, moving, occupation,etc.)  Right now I am working on Adamsson/Jonsson and then I will work on Magnusson/Carlsson.
 
Barry

[Barry Hill]

Just an update note to let everyone here know my progress.  I have made contact with relatives in both the Carlsson and Adamsson/Johnsson line.  The relative in the Carlsson line lives in Lysekil and says I have many relatives there.  They do not speak English or have a PC but are getting help to communicate.
 
Barry

[Harriet Hogevik]

Barry,  
nice to know about your progress!  
 
Harriet