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Författare Ämne: Info Emil William Johnson & Jennie Sophia  (läst 2745 gånger)

2010-02-17, 21:01
läst 2745 gånger

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I am looking for information on my material grandmother & grnadfather.
 
Jennie Sophie (Sophia) Peterson (Pettersen) born Jan 1867 either Sweden or Denmark, died Oct 1938 Chicago.
Emmigrated to US 1888? as noted in Census record 1900 Chiago.  Found under William Johnson.  This record shows my grandmother Frances Johnson.
Possible record -- Nov 1888 on ship Republic from LIverpool as passanger #66 Jennie Petterson from Sweden along with a number of other Sewish servant girls.
Also found a marriage listed for a William N. Johansen & Jennie S Petersen in Cook County Ill on Nov 1889.  The church as been consoliated into anothr Lutheran church.  I have contacted the church about looking into the old records, but have not a reply.  Call twice, and do not want to push to hard.  I live in Florida
 
Emil William Johnson born 1866 Denmark, Died 1907 Chicago??  Not sure but have requested death certif from Cook County waiting for reply.  The only record found for Emil William Johnson was the 1900 census in Chicago as noted above.
 
I am planninga trip to Denmark, Sweden and Norway this June and hope to confirm information of Jenie & Wiliam along with other material grandfathers family.
 
Note in later Census 1910, 1920 Jennie listed that she came from Denmar.  No recored found in Danish records.
 
Any suggestions will be appreciated.  
 
Thanks in Advance
 
Neil

2010-02-18, 06:26
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Perhaps.
Proposal.
Jenny Sofia born 1867 jan 02 Björkmossa, Virserum, Kalmar län
Emigrerar 1887 may 20 to Rockford Ill
Kod: 32:207:113

2010-02-18, 17:02
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Hello,
 
I know very much about the relatives from Virserum. It is not in Björkmossa but Rödmossa and Jennie was the sister of my grandmother's brother-in-law.
I think I have lots of photos from this family. Among other I can send photo of Jennie's mother and her little house. Please write to me on e-mail and tell what you are interested in.
 
It would be possible to find some relatives in Virserum or other part of Sweden.  
 
Best regards,
 
Claës Linder

2010-02-19, 14:25
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Thank you for resonding to my request.
 
I am intersted in family history, per name spelling (Peterson, Pettersen), parents names, birth information, baptism infor, where lived, if she came to the US with any relatives.
 
Again the little family history I have on Jennie from the 1900 Chicago census indicates she cametothe states in 1888.  Any specific reference when she left, name of the ship.  
 
Rockford, Illinois is close to Chicago.  It is interesting note that one of Jennies daughters Nellie andher husbond lived in Rockford in their early marriage years.
 
Again thank you for responding.
 
Neil Collins

2010-02-22, 19:00
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I am a little confused afer Claes Linder email which indicated that the information on Jenny as wrong.
 
Did that also include the informaiton e mailed from Marianne?
 
If so any sugestion to continue my research?  
 
As noted I am planning a trip to Sweden, Norway and Denmark in June and hope to visit the towns my family came from.
 
Again thanks for the information sent.
 
Neil

2010-02-28, 09:54
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Hello,
 
I have now found information about Jenny Sophia Johansson born 2nd of Jan, 1867 in Virserum who must be this person
according to Emigranten and by the help of Chris Bingefors  
 
i.e. EmiHamn,  
Surname:   JOHANSSON
First name:     JENNY S
Age:       20            Female
Born: 1866/1867
Parish:  VIRSERUM    County: H
Place of departure:    GÖTEBORG
Date of emigration:  1887 05 27
Destination: ROCKFORD ILLS
Company:   No
Reference (källkod):     32:207:113
 
We now wonder if she is the same person that lived in Chicago according to the census 1910  
 
 
1900 United States Federal Census about Jennie Johnson  
Name: Jennie Johnson  
Home in 1900: Chicago Ward 15, Cook, Illinois  
Age: 33  
Birth Date: Jan 1867  
Birthplace: Sweden  
Race: White  
Gender: Female  
Immigration Year: 1888  
Relationship to Head of House: Wife  
Father's Birthplace: Sweden  
Mother's Birthplace: Sweden  
Mother: number of living children: 4  
Mother: How many children: 5  
Spouse's name: William  
Marriage Year: 1890  
Marital Status: Married  
Years Married: 10  
Residence : Chicago City, Cook, Illinois  
Occupation: View on Image  
Neighbors: View others on page  
Household Members: Name Age  
William Johnson 33  
Jennie Johnson 33  
Emilia Johnson 9  
Francis Johnson 7  
Nellie Johnson 7  
William Johnson 1/12  
 
Is there anybody who can look in the census 1890 to see if this could be the same person or could suggest some information to help us.
 
Claës Linder

2010-02-28, 10:30
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Sorry, Claes there is no census 1890, someone burnt it!
The only reasonably correct data in the US we have so far is the 1900 census. We cannot even be sure that the maiden name was Peterson, the marriage note may be for someone else. The rest has to be confirmed since her name is so common. Apparently, William was born in Denmark and Jennie in Sweden. I have not been able to find the family in later censuses.
 
Neil - is there any more information available, sunh as death certificates, birth certificates etc?
 
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2010-02-28, 11:23
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Anyway, found then in 1910. Jennie then listed as being born in Denmark. Daughter Emilia married William F Nitz 28 Aug 1907. One daughter, Gladys. She is living with her grandmother Adeline and aunt Lydia in 1920 and 1930 (in Evanston then). William F Nitz is living in Chicago in 1920, divorced.
 
Their daughter, Gladys, marries an Uddberg according to William Nitz´s WW2 registration. She dies in 1958:
UDDBERG  
Edition: Chicago Tribune  
--Gladys A. Uddberg, nee Nitz, Feb. 20, 1958, late of 4147 N. Long avenue, beloved wife of Thage W.; dear mother of Jill and Jack. Resting in chapel, 5149-51 N. Ashland avenue, at Foster, until noon Monday. In state in North Park Mission Covenant church, Christiana and Berwyn avenues, until time of services, 2 p.m. Interment Memory Gardens cemetery. Longbeach 1-5147.
 
Would this family have more information?
 
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2010-02-28, 11:42
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Jill Uddberg marries Bertil (Bert) Bohrnell who dies in 2005 in Sun City Huntley, before that they lived in Barrington. Jack Uddberg lived in Kentucky and died in 1992. They had several children according to the obituary. If I am right this family shoud be descendants of William and Jennie Johnson in Chicago through their daughter Emilia.

2010-02-28, 17:04
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Many thanks for the information.
 
The items listed by Chris are of course my great grandmother Jennie Peterson Johnson.  The listing in the 1900 Chicago census is confirmed as the grandmother Frances and her borthers and sisters are also listed.
 
After a long wait I finally received Jennie Sophia Johnson death certificate copy from Cook County Illinois.
 
The information on the certificate open more questions.  The information on the certificate was apparently given by my grandmother Mrs. C.R. Jensen (wife of Clarence Russell Jensen) Frances Johnson Jensen.
 
    1. Jennie date of birth on the certificate is listed as January 17, 1868.  The 1900 census lists her date of birth as Jan 1867, and her toomstone at Mout OIlve Cementary shows 1866 - 1938.  Another line shows her age at time of death (Oct 25, 1938 to be 70 years 9 months and 8 days.
 
    2.  The certificate lists her place of birth to be Copenhagen Denmark, and parents listed as unkown.
 
So..bottom line I am not sure which date of birth to use or even which country of birth to use in further  research...Any ideas...
 
Again mnay thanks for all the time each of you have spent on my request.
 
Neil

2010-02-28, 18:18
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As so often happens, the knowledge was lost over the years. I tend to believe that the information in the 1900 census, when memory was still fresh is correct. If William was not a US citizen (and many waited for years) then Jennie would have become, or considered herself, a Danish citizen on marrying him. He apparently was out of the picture quite early, so the children would not have known the facts.

2010-03-01, 15:12
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Chris
 
Your note makes sense.  It was my sisters memory that she was from Sweden.  
 
Any sugggestion as to spelling for Peterson (Pettersen, Petterson) and is Jennie (Jenny) a short spelling for a Swedish name??  I cannot find any emingeration records outside of the 1888 group of Swedish servant girls sailing from Liverpool.
 
I'll keep trying to find her where she came from on her journey to the states.
 
Neil

2010-03-01, 19:42
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-sen is Danish/Norwegian. The original Swedish spelling (used in the 19th century) would be Pettersson or Petersson (note the double s). However, both versions were usually very quickly Americanized into Peterson.
 
And unless this girl came from a town she would probably have started out as Petersdotter or Pettersdotter or even Persdotter.
 
Jennie/Jenny is not at all a Swedish name; no Swedish name would be abbreviated into it either. But English/American names came into fashion in the mid 19th century, so a Swedish girl could be baptized Jennie/Jenny.
Or she was perhaps originally called Johanna and later Americanized it (very common).
 
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2010-03-02, 06:25
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Hej Ingela!
Jenny är ett ganska vanligt namn i Kalmar län. Finns från 1850-talet. Men kanske ursprunget kommer med emigrationen.

2010-03-02, 14:44
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Ingela
 
Thank you for the informaiton.
 
I found a Possible lead in  emmerigation records for New York (Ancestry)
 
A Jenny Petterson listed as a  Passanger on ship Hekla, which departed from Copenhagen and arrived in New York 1 Oct 1887.
 
The ships log lists a Jenny Petterson, age 20  place of origin - Kristvalla, Sweden
 
Any way to find additional inforamtion on Kristvalla? and the Jenny listed  Google maps shows an open for field for Kristvalla.
 
I tried to attach the record but coldnot  figure out how to do it.
 
Neil

2010-03-02, 14:59
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This is Jenny frpm Kristvalla, emigrating in 1887:
Post 315975
 
Petersson, Jenny
Jungfru (unmarried woman)
 
b. 6/15/1867 in Kristvalla, Kalmar län (Småland)
 
Emigrated 9/9/1887
from Rössbo Släta, Kristvalla, Kalmar län (Småland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 169
 
Emibas migration file ID: Kristvalla H 1887 031

2010-03-02, 23:51
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Marianne,
 
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Jennie/Jenny was used in Sweden from the mid 19th century - but it wasn't a Swedish name, it was a newly imported English/American name.
 
English/American names began being used in the early to mid 19th century. Just like German names had been used until the end of the 17th century; during the 18th century we used French names.
This follows exactly most influential foreign nation in Sweden.
The Swedish language went through the exact same stages: German words were imported wholesale until the end of the 17th century, then we switched to French words and phrases - and from the 19th century the English (and to some extent American) influence was the most important, though the German influence never disappeared completely, not until WW II.
 
Emigration had more to do with how quickly the British/American influence spread, not the extent of the influence. Great Britain was undisputably top nation after the Napoleonic wars finished in 1815, and America was coming along nicely (the set-back of the Civil War off-set by the expansion to the West and acquiring colonies like Hawaii, Panama and the Philippines).
 
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2010-03-08, 15:07
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Chris
 
Thanks for the information on Jenny Petterson from Kristvalla.  Apart from the census data from Chicago 1900 indicating emmingeration to the US in 1888 this lead looks promsing.  
 
Is there any family information for this Jenny Petterson?  Brothers or sisters who may have travelled with her?
 
Neil

2010-05-26, 22:12
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I am finally making my trip to scandinavia, June 16-30 to visit Denmark, Norway and Sweden.  I have found with much help information on my relatives in Denmark and Norway, and the above lead on Jennie from Sweden.  
 
Can you recommend a place in Kristvalla, Kilmar were I may find additional informaiton on my great grandmother Jennie Peterson Johnson mentioned earlier?  
 
Recently I followed up on a lead in Chicago (Oak Park) Lutheran Church which from a consolidated church has a marriag of a Jenny S Peterson and William V Johnson.  But other than the marriage no other record of children etc.  Also got her death certificate, which didnot provide any additional inforamiton.
 
But I feel  confident that she came to the USA from Sweden and the lead for Kristvalla, Kilmar look hopeful.
Again any suggestion of wre I might get details in Kristvalla or Kilmar
Thanks.

2010-05-26, 23:36
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Hi Neil,
 
The following information is from the clerical survey of Kristvalla [Kristvalla AI:10, page 169, Släta Rössbo village]
Owner Lorens Pettersson, born 1832 Oct.23 in Förlösa
Wife Lisa Jakobsdotter., born 1837 in Madesjö, died 1886 Mar.3 in Kristvalla
d. Hulda Charlotta, born 1861 Oct.20 in Kristvalla, emigrated 1888 May 5 to North America, died 1892 in America
s. Carl, born 1866 Jan. 14 in Kristvalla, emigrated 1886 May 8 to North America
d. Jenny, born 1867 Jun. 15 in Kristvalla, emigrated 1887 Sep. 9
d. Ida, born 1868 Dec. 4 in Kristvalla, died 1890 Apr.29 in Kristvalla
d. Anna, born 1871 Jan. 15 in Kristvalla
d. Beda, born 1873 Mar. 20 in Kristvalla, moved to Kalmar city in 1892
d. Linnea Otilia, born 1874 Oct. 11 in Kristvalla, moved to Kalmar City in 1893 Sep.20
d. Clara Elisabeth, born 1876 Aug. 8 in Kristvalla
s. Emil, born 1878 Apr. 18 in Kristvalla
d. Ellen, born 1879 Jun. 19 in Kristvalla
 
This information goes to 1895, later records for Kristvalla are found at the Regional Archives (Landsarkivet) in the city of Vadstena, on Lake Vättern, south west of the county seat of Linköping. In these archives you can find all kinds of records about the parish of Kristvalla. They are open Monday-Friday 9-16, and are free to visit and they are very used to questions from the descendants of the emigrants.

2010-05-27, 18:00
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Elisabeth
 
Thank for the information.
 
I am planning to visit Vadstena during my short visit to Sweden.  Do you know how big an aea in  
Sweden they have parish records?
 
Apparently there were many Jenny Peterson who left Sweden for the US, and I hope this is the correct one.
 
A small request, I must have hit the wrong button while checking into the system and my record profile was changed and I am now receiving copies of e mails for everyone.  Do you know who I access my profile to change it back??
 
Thanks again for the informtion.
 
Neil

2010-05-27, 20:59
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Neil, I think you can learn how to change your profile if you look into the English menu in the lefthand column.
 
The archives at Vadstena covers the whole area of Småland, Öland and Östergötland, that is the counties of Jönköping, Kalmar, Kronoberg and Östergötland. And the archives building is the big castle down in the harbor.
 
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