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2008-09-29, 00:18
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Looking for information on family listed below.  Particular interest in learning about my grandfather, Carl Rikard Carlsson could be spelled with K's.  Married Karin (below) in Worcester Ma. (1916ish).  Returned to Sweden the following year after Karin passes from childbirth possibly went to Skinnskatteberg
 
 
Swedish census 1900
 
Wiksten, Erik Gustaf          1857              Far
 
Källman, Ingeborg              1856              Mor
 
Lindström, Anders Gustaf 1879              Barn
 
Lindström, Alma Katarina 1886              Barn
 
(Barn), Ester Maria             1888              Barn
 
(Barn), Johan Albin            1890              Barn
 
(Barn), Karin Emilia           1895              Barn

2008-09-29, 05:13
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Mark Hoenig

Hi Wendy
 
I could not find a Johan Wiksten born 1890 in the 1947-2006 Death Index, not could I find an Ester Maria born in 1888 in Västanfors (Looked up the birthplace in the Census) in the same place.  They may have emigrated themselves, and/or they may have died befored 1947.

2008-09-29, 10:29
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Swedish Death Index 1947--2006
 
18790929-695
 
Lindström, Anders Gustav
 
Stg 1722 Box 742 Meling
 
Dead 12/19/1963.
 
Registered in Västanfors, Fagersta kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Born 9/29/1879 in Västanfors (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Widower (9/30/1950).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Västanfors-Västervåla, Fagersta kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Parish of birth in the records:
Västanfors (Västmanland)
 
Source records:
DB, AL, FB, AK / DOR 63
 
 
18860417-6928
 
Eriksson, Alma Katarina Skog
 
Pensionärshem 6
734 00  Hallstahammar
(Address as of Nov 1, 1970)
 
Dead 6/10/1976.
 
Registered (1976) in Hallstahammar, Hallstahammars kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland). Registered for taxation (1976) in the same parish.
 
Born 4/17/1886 in Västanfors (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Married woman (10/12/1932).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Hallstahammar-Berg, Hallstahammars kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Parish of birth in the records:
VÄSTANFORS (Västmanland)
 
Source records:
MTL 71 / RTB 76
 
 
18901224-691
 
Lindström, Johan Albin
 
Solliden 1 Hamnväg 6
 
Dead 10/24/1966.
 
Registered in Västanfors, Fagersta kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Born 12/24/1890 in Västanfors (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Married man (12/18/1915).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Västanfors-Västervåla, Fagersta kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Parish of birth in the records:
Västanfors (Västmanland)
 
Source records:
DB, AL, FB, VB, FS, AK / DOR 66

2008-09-29, 10:39
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FYI I checked book of births re Alma Katarina;
 
her death record was like this (as above)
 
18860417-6928
 
Eriksson, Alma Katarina Skog
 
Pensionärshem 6
734 00 Hallstahammar
(Address as of Nov 1, 1970)
 
Dead 6/10/1976.
DOB corresponds with date given in death record --  
birth record found at GID 100019.15.2200,  [Västmanland]  _scb Västmanland,  .875, Födde,Vigsel,Död, 1886-1886, 0-0,  Bild 22 av 405
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av rannug den 29 september, 2008)

2008-09-29, 10:46
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Ester Maria born 23 Sept 1888 Västanfors. Not baptised.
 
Source:  GID  100019.18.42600,  [Västmanland]  _scb Västmanland,  .935, Födde,Vigsel,Död, 1888-1888, 0-0,  Bild 162 av 398

2008-09-29, 10:51
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Johan Lindström is father of almost all children, except for Karin Emilia.
this is mr Lindström according to Census 1890
 
Post 3830854
 
Lindström, Johan
Grufarbetare=miner
 
f. 1855 i Norberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Gift man, far i familjen
 
Mortorp.
Västanfors (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Födelseort i källan: Norberg, Westm. l.

2008-09-29, 10:55
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Lindström - Källman had two more children according to Census 1890:
 
Post 3830860
 
Karl Johan
 
f. 1882 i Norberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
s.
Pojke, barn i familjen=boy, child
 
Mortorp.
Västanfors (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Födelseort i källan: Norberg, Westm. l.
 
 
Post 3830861
 
Per Hjalmar
 
f. 1884 i Norberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
s.
Pojke, barn i familjen= boy, child
 
Mortorp.
Västanfors (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Födelseort i källan: Norberg, Westm. l.

2008-09-29, 11:00
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Karl Johan Lindström from Census 1900 SWEDEN
 
 
Record 2642719
 
Lindström, Karl Johan
Dräng=farm-hand
 
b. 1882 in Norberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Boy
 
Moren
Västanfors (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Norberg Västmanlands län
 
 
Per Hjalmar Lindström from Census 1900, SWEDEN
 
Record 2617654
 
Lindström, Per Hjalmar
Dräng=farm-hand
 
b. 1884 in Norberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Boy
 
Römyra
Skinnskatteberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Norberg Västmanlands län
 
 
Karl Johan Lindström from Swedish Death Index 1947//2006
 
 
18820220-697
 
Lindström, Karl Johan
 
Fallet 3, Mariavägen 27
 
Dead 3/5/1957.
 
Registered in Västanfors, Fagersta kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Born 2/20/1882 in Norberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Married man (6/4/1911).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Västanfors-Västervåla, Fagersta kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Parish of birth in the records:
Norberg (Västmanland)
 
Source records:
DB, AL, FB, VB, FS, AK / DOR 52-60
 
 
Per Hjalmar Lindström from same source:
 
 
18840316-701
 
Lindström, Per Hjalmar
 
Solliden 1 Hamnväg 6
 
Dead 9/6/1964.
 
Registered in Västanfors, Fagersta kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Born 3/16/1884 in Norberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
Widower (8/12/1958).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Västanfors-Västervåla, Fagersta kn (Västmanlands län, Västmanland)
 
Parish of birth in the records:
Norberg (Västmanland)
 
Source records:
DB, AL, AK / DOR 64

2008-09-29, 11:03
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The only Karlsson I found who may be yours is this:
 
18961222-2316
 
Karlsson, Carl Rickard
 
Jordberget Hulje
595 00  Mjölby
 
Dead 2/23/1983.
 
Registered (1971) in Högby, Mjölby kn (Östergötlands län, Östergötland). Registered for taxation (1971) in the same parish.
 
Born 12/22/1896 in Normlösa (Östergötlands län, Östergötland).
 
Widower (9/24/1972).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Mjölby, Mjölby kn (Östergötlands län, Östergötland)
 
Parish of birth in the records:
NORMLÖSA (Östergötland)
 
Source records:
RTB 83 / SPAR 90
 
From Swedish Death Index 1947//2006

2008-09-29, 11:52
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Thanks for all this great information.  Interesting to see other children than what I had originally found.

2008-10-02, 03:24
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Please...If anyone can help...is there any information about my great-grandmother...Ingeborg Kallman--specifically death record and marriage records.
 
Also...if anyone has emigration records...Which Karl Ricard Carlson emigrated around 1912? The one above or perhaps this Karlsson, Karl Rikard
 
Centralv 19 B
779 00  Skinnskattebe
 
Död 13/10 1982.
 
Kyrkobokförd (1973) i Skinnskatteberg, Skinnskattebergs kn (Västmanlands  
län, Västmanland). Mantalsskriven (1973) på samma ort.
 
Född 7/2 1893 i Skinnskatteberg (Västmanlands län, Västmanland).
 
I am still wondering if either came on the boat with Karin Pettersson...whose record states Utvandrad 4/10 1912

2008-10-02, 06:34
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Wendy, is this your Karin?
 
From the cd Emibas
Post 904677
Pettersson, Karin Emilia
Bryggaredotter (unmarried woman) - brewer's daughter
b. 2/3/1895 in Skinnskatteberg, Västmanlands län Västmanland county, (Västmanland province)
Emigrated 10/4/1912 (10 April 1912)
from Lindbo Moren, Västanfors, Västmanlands län (Västmanland)
to Nordamerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 1917
Emibas migration file ID: Västanfors U 1912 003
 
The two options you have been given are not found on the cd Emibas (which has about 75 % of the emigrants from Sweden).
 
On the cd Emibas there is however another possibility
 
Post 869560
Karlsson, Karl Rikard Julius
Snickare (unmarried man) carpenter
b. 9/21/1893 in Karlskoga parish, Örebro län /county (Värmland province)
Emigrated 7/25/1913
from Rosenlund, Karlskoga, Örebro län (Värmland)
to Nordamerika
Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Örebro stadsarkiv.
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. M 539
Emibas migration file ID: Karlskoga T 1913 028
 
He comes back to Sweden and dies in Sweden, with a new last name.
According to the cd Swedish Death Index 1947-2006:
 
18930921-083
Kurin, Karl Richard Julius
Lorensbergsgatan 5
Dead 3/24/1956.
Registered in Högalid parish, Stockholms stad/city (Stockholms stad, Uppland).
Born 9/21/1893 in Karlskoga (Örebro län/county, Värmland province).
Married man (8/23/1930).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Högalid, Stockholms stad (Stockholms län, Uppland)
Parish of birth in the records:
Karlskoga (Örebro)
Source records:
DB, DA / DOR 52-60
 
If you don't have any data from the US (their marriage certificate, the birth certificate of your parent who is the son or daughter, the death certificate of Karin) to verify this information, you should contact the Stockholm City Archive. The Archive has the church books from Högalid parish and can check when this candidate arrived back in Sweden. It also has the estate inventory made after his death, which will state his heirs - if any children from possible previous marriage - as well as heirs in the marriage from 1930 (the widow died in 1994).
 
Their web page is found here.
 
Good luck!
Eva
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av edah den 02 oktober, 2008)

2008-10-02, 09:12
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Wendy.
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I have found one more child to Erik Gustav Viksten  born 1857 and his wife Ingeborg Källman born 1856.
Her name was Beda Evelina Viksten and she was born 24/4 1901 Moren Västanfors. She married her cousin Per Anders Källman born 6/9 1898 Västanfors dead 9/4 1970 Västanfors. They married 28/10 1920
Beda and Per Anders got a son Torsten Källman born 30/10 1970 dead 1994 Bastmora Västanfors. Torsten was the father to our Lars who is father to my grandchild Gustav born just today 5 years ago ( 2/10 )
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Margitlinnea den 02 oktober, 2008)

2008-10-02, 09:26
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Wendy
I just found out :
Per Anders Källman married to Beda Evelina
Father of Per Anders Lars Källman b. 28/2 1858 Lysvik Värmland and his wife Louisa Andersdotter had a doughter who emigrated to America.She was cousin to your Karin Emilia and her name was Frida  born 30 / 1 1890 , dead 25/7 1967 USA. Perhaps they went together
Marianne
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Margitlinnea den 02 oktober, 2008)

2008-10-05, 06:09
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Wow!! I just got shivers.  My mother always talks about Ester's friend, Frida.  She was loved and spoken of often throughout her youth.  My mother will be so pleased to hear Frida's name again! Thank you so much! Do you know more of the family?  Who is Pettersson that fathered Karin?  All her siblings have Lindstrom for a last name.
 
Eva, you do have the right Karin...do you know when Carl Carlson comes back to sweden? Karin dies in 1918 and her husband goes back to Sweden soon after so date of return would reflect this.  I do not understand name change though.    
 
Thanks to you for unraveling...

2008-10-05, 07:50
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Karl Rickard Julius Karlsson came from America to Stockholm in November 1920.  
You will find him in the Roteman database (population register of Stockholm city 1878-1926): www.ssa.stockholm.se/en/
Hälsar vänligen
Maud

2008-10-05, 11:43
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Carin Emilia was born 03/02 1895 in Baggbron, Skinnskattebergs parish, as daughter of Bryggaren (Brewer) Per Andersson and Ingeborg Källman (GID 100019.3.11800).
 
Per Andersson and Ingeborg Källman married 14/07 1894 in Västanfors parish (GID 100019.4.35000).
 
Per Andersson died 30/06 1896 in Baggbron, Skinnskatteberg parish (GID 100019.9.14900). Cause of death: nervfeber. Per Andersson was born 16/05 1854 in Västanfors parish. His first family: GID 2356.75.58800
 
Erik Gustaf Wiksten married Ingeborg Källman 31/12 1899 in Västanfors parish (GID 2361.52.800).
 
Ingeborg Källman's first husband, Johan Lindström, born 23/03 1855 in Norberg parish, emigrated to Northern America 9/4 1891.

2008-10-12, 01:12
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This is fascinating...We thought Carin's last name was Pettersson but it must have been that her father's name was Per Andersson.  
 
Perhaps Johan Lindstrom died in Northern America--He would have had 6 children ages 1,3 (ester),5,7,9 and 11 when he emigrated...it causes us to wonder if he went to find work.  My mother thought one of Ester's brother emigrated and became a logger in Oregon. I wonder if it was really her father.
 
Thanks Maud and Arne.... and Marianne...somehow we are connected.  Do you know anything of Ingeborg Kallman or Per Andersson's parents or family?  
 
Also any children of the original family or Karl Ricard Karlsson?

2008-10-12, 09:36
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Hello Wendy
Do you mean Ingeborg Källman born 1856?
I have her parents :
father Per Persson Källman born 29/9 1821 Ekshärad Värmland dead 1889 Västanfors (Fagersta) Västmanland married in Lysvik Värmland 4/1 1850 with
Marit Persdotter born 1/12 1823 Lysvik Värmland , dead 1905 Västanfors ( Fagersta ) Västmanland
 
Per Persson Källmans father:
Per Persson born 4/10 1794 Emtebjörk, Ekshärad, Värmland
married to
Ingeborg Larsdotter born 15/12 1795 Nästorp, Ekshärad, Värmland
 
Per Perssons father:
Per Ersson born 1755 Emtebjörk, Ekshärad. Värmland
married to  
Karin Persdotter born 1751
 
Per Erssons father:
Erik Persson born 1716
married to Brita Persdotter born 1719
 
 
Ingeborg Larsdotters father:
Lars Persson born 1761 Näs, Ekshärad Värmland  
merried to
Anna Persdotter
 
................................
 
Marit Persdotters father:
Per Jansson born 28/8 1788 Ekshärad, Värmland
married to
Britta Månsdotter born 4/? 1788 Lövåsen, Lysvik, Värmland
 
Britta Månsdotters father:
Måns Jönsson born 1763
married to Karin Nilsdotter born 1763
 
Måns Jönssons Father
Jöns Månsson born 1740
married to
Ingegerd Olsdotter born 1739
 
I have just started to look at this part of the Källmanfamily. I  am doing this for my doughters husband. He vill have it for  a christmasgift.
I hope to give you more soon, because I have booked the Genlinecomputer on Wednesday next week
 
Marianne

2008-10-12, 19:49
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Wow!  You have been busy!  Marianne, thank you so much.  Please I would love to hear more!

2008-10-12, 20:08
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Marianne, I just realized that you may want a picture of Ingeborg Kallman and I think I have one.  Do you speak english?  Perhaps if you have email I could send you the picture and perhaps you can translate what is written on the back. wabrahamson@verizon.net

2008-10-12, 23:32
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Per Andersson was born in the village Meling of Västanfors parish 16/05 1854 and baptized 21/05 1854 (GID 2361.11.24400).
 
His parents were Anders Andersson, born 29/08 1818 in Söderbärke parish, Kopparbergs län, and Brita Cajsa Persdotter, born 25/02 1809, also in Söderbärke parish. (Family in 1855: GID 2361.17.84400). Brita Cajsa was a widow in 1890 and died before 1900.
 
There is another Per Andersson born in Västanfors parish in 1854, a farmer, who married Per Andersson's sister Anna Stina. So in that family the respective Per Anderssons can easily be mixed up!

2008-10-12, 23:56
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Brita Cajsa Persdotter was born 25/02 1809 as Brita Catharina in Gamle Herrgården, Söderbärke parish, Kopparbergs län. Baptized 26/02/1809. Parents: Unga Per Olsson (The young Per Olsson) and Anna Nilsdotter, the latter 38 years old at the birth (GID 152.27.51600). Brita Cajsa's parents and siblings and a grandfather : GID 152.33.26700.
 
Anders Andersson was born 21/2 1818 in Oppsveten?, Söderbärke parish. Baptized 23/02/1818. Parents: U.(nga) Anders Andersson and Stina Ersdotter, the latter 31 years old at the birth (GID 152.27.59900). Anders' parents and siblings: GID 152.34.72100.
 
Anders and Brita Cajsa married 22/02/1848 at Söderbärke church (GID 152.59.58400).

2008-10-14, 08:18
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Wendy
How is your mother related to Ingeborg Källman. I am trying to find out how you and my doughters husband are related?
Marianne

2008-10-19, 00:12
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Hi Marianne---Ingeborg was her grandmother. Carin was my mother's mother and she passed when my mom was 3 weeks old.  Carl Ricard Carlson was my mom's father and he returned to Sweden early on in 1920 or so.  Unfortunately, he did not stay in touch.

2008-10-19, 01:12
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I wonder often of my grandfather's return to Sweden and wonder if this (below) is him. Why the name change?? My mother wonders if it is him and the name change could be after Carin's namesake??  My mother also said year of return would be around 1920 as he stayed with Ester and my mother (infant) for about one year after Carin's death in 1918.  She says that he was disheartened as he was a draftsman by trade and could only find factory work in Massachusetts and struggled with the english language.  
 
She says that she never heard of the Julius part of the name.   He did not keep in touch.
 
 
 
Post 869560  
Karlsson, Karl Rikard Julius  
Snickare (unmarried man) carpenter  
b. 9/21/1893 in Karlskoga parish, Örebro län /county (Värmland province)  
Emigrated 7/25/1913  
from Rosenlund, Karlskoga, Örebro län (Värmland)  
to Nordamerika  
Bilaga/ytterligare information finns. Kontakta Örebro stadsarkiv.  
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. M 539  
Emibas migration file ID: Karlskoga T 1913 028  
 
He comes back to Sweden and dies in Sweden, with a new last name.  
According to the cd Swedish Death Index 1947-2006:  
 
18930921-083  
Kurin, Karl Richard Julius  
Lorensbergsgatan 5  
Dead 3/24/1956.  
Registered in Högalid parish, Stockholms stad/city (Stockholms stad, Uppland).  
Born 9/21/1893 in Karlskoga (Örebro län/county, Värmland province).  
Married man (8/23/1930).  
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:  
Högalid, Stockholms stad (Stockholms län, Uppland)  
Parish of birth in the records:  
Karlskoga (Örebro)  
Source records:  
DB, DA / DOR 52-60  
 
Any ideas on how to confirm the marriage to Carin Per Andersson(change to Petersson on emigration records)

2008-10-19, 12:11
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Utloggad Marianne Bengtsson Rosander

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No i dont think so. I Have in my records that Karin and Carl Rickard Karlsson emigrated 10/4 1912.
See my e-mail
Marianne

2008-10-19, 17:03
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Marianne hello!
Do you say that Karin and Carl came to North America together?  My mother said that she had been told that they met in Worcester.  Here is Emibas for Karin--- Have you found one on the same day for a Carl Rikard Karlsson?  
 
 
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Pettersson, Karin Emilia
Bryggaredotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 2/3/1895 in Skinnskatteberg, Västmanlands län (Västmanland)
 
Emigrated 10/4/1912
from Lindbo Moren, Västanfors, Västmanlands län (Västmanland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 1917
 
Emibas migration file ID: Västanfors U 1912 003
 
 I found this family on the  
1900 census CD:
 
Record 2642735

2008-10-19, 18:22
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Marianne---There seems to be a gap here--an error of sorts (see below message of yours).  There must be a generation between Beda and Torsten as she would be 69 years old when Torsten is born in 1970.  Perhaps the picture I sent you of Torsten in 1929 is the son of Beda and the Torsten born in 1970 is his son.  If so, who are the other two children in the picture...Ragnar and Birger?  Did you notice that Frida's son was also a Birger but born in North America?  Who are Frida's siblings?
 
 
Postat torsdagen 02 oktober 2008 - 09:12            
 
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Wendy.  
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I have found one more child to Erik Gustav Viksten born 1857 and his wife Ingeborg Källman born 1856.  
Her name was Beda Evelina Viksten and she was born 24/4 1901 Moren Västanfors. She married her cousin Per Anders Källman born 6/9 1898 Västanfors dead 9/4 1970 Västanfors. They married 28/10 1920  
Beda and Per Anders got a son Torsten Källman born 30/10 1970 dead 1994 Bastmora Västanfors. Torsten was the father to our Lars who is father to my grandchild Gustav born just today 5 years ago ( 2/10 )  
 
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2008-10-19, 19:48
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Wendy, in my message of 2 October above, I gave some indications on possible ways to confirm if the man I found is the same man you are looking for (the notes from the cd's that you quote).  
 
If you don't want to contact them yourself please indicate that.
 
In the message from Maud Svensson on 5 October she quotes on information in a free database on the website of the Stockholm City Archives, that states that Karl Rickard Julius Karlsson move from America (which normally menas the United States) to Stockholm on 18 November 1920. That also fits with your information.  
 
It is not uncommon to change names when you have a name ending in -son, so that is not so strange. The database which only goes to 1926 shows him as Karlsson, so he changed later than that.
 
 
I also mentioned last time, that it would be worth while for your mother (as she is still alive) to check the information on her birth records and her parents marriage certificate for information that can shed light on his birth date and other data.  
 
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Eva
 
 
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