Hultgren, Peter A & Roxström, Amanda S. Emigr 1889

[Yvonne Corrine Pihlstrom Morehouse]

Peter August Hultgren, born about 1853, married Amanda Sophia Roxtröm about 1891.  Amanda is from Rumhult, Hannäs Parish, Östergötland, Sweden.  She was born 14 Sep 1860 (her parents are Karl Peter Roxtröm born 1832 and Anna Lisa Nilsdotter born 1830.  The children born in Sweden are:  Anton born 1882, Mary born 1885, Anna born 1887 and Amandus born 1889.  I believe the family emigrated in 1889 to Minnesota.  If anyone has more information on Peter and/or the children, I would surely appreciate receiving it.  
 
I thank you,  Yvonne Morehouse

[Judy Olson Baouab]

I see the emigration of Amanda Sofia on the Emihamn database. I don't see any children traveling with her. If she married in 1891, then the children born 1882, 1885, 1887, and 1889 were from a different marriage (or relationship) and perhaps they belonged to Peter and not to Amanda, since they married in 1891.
 
Efternamn:   ROXSTRÖM
Förnamn:     AMANDA SOFIA
Ålder:       31            Kön: K
Född: 1859/1860
Församling:  STOCKHOLM    Län: A (city of Stockholm)
Titel/Anm:   SÖMMERSKA = jseamstress, dressmaker
Utresehamn:  STOCKHOLM
Utvandrdag:  1891 12 04
Destination: NEW YORK
Medåkande:   NEJ
Källkod:     1891:333:853
 
I suppose she is this person in the 1880 Swedish Census CD.
 
Record 1880-5-153-5692
 
Roxström, Amanda Sofia
Piga = female farm worker
 
b. 1860 in Hannäs (Kalmar län, Småland)
 
Woman, single
 
Dals Qvarteret qvadraten Hjorten af 2 eger Enkefru Brunbäck
Sankt Olai /Norrköpings Sankt Olai/ (Östergötlands län, Östergötland)
 
Place of birth (in the database): Hannäs Östergötlands län
 
Are you sure the children were born in Sweden? Are you sure about when they were born?

[Arne Granquist]

United States Census, 1900 for Peter Holtgreen
 
Name: Peter Holtgreen  
Titles:  
Residence: Ward & Turtle Creek Townships, Todd, Minnesota  
Birth Date: Jul 1853  
Birthplace: Sweden  
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Self  
Spouse Name: Amanda Holtgreen  
Spouse Titles:  
Spouse Birth Place: Sweden  
Father Name:  
Father Titles:  
Father Birthplace: Sweden  
Mother Name:  
Mother Titles:  
Mother Birthplace: Sweden  
Race or Color (expanded): White  
Head-of-household Name:  
Gender: Male  
Marital Status: Married  
Years Married: 9  
Estimated Marriage Year: 1891  
Mother How Many Children:  
Number Living Children:  
Immigration Year: 1891  
Enumeration District: 0202  
Sheet Number and Letter: 3A  
Household ID: 28  
Reference Number: 19  
GSU Film Number: 1240794  
Image Number: 00702  
  Household Gender Age  
   Peter Holtgreen  M  
Spouse  Amanda Holtgreen  F  
Child  Anton Holtgreen  M  
Child  Mary Holtgreen  F  
Child  Anna Holtgreen  F  
Child  Amandus Holtgreen  M  
Child  David Holtgreen  M  
Child  Helding Holtgreen  M  
Child  Roy Holtgreen  M  
Child  Emil Holtgreen  M  
 
The 4 first children are told born in Norway
Mother Anna Ellestad
 
 
   
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery  
Browerville
Todd County
Minnesota, USA  
 
Courtesy: Rhonda Fochs

[Yvonne Corrine Pihlstrom Morehouse]

Thanks, Judy and Arne.  Your information adds to my knowledge about this couple.  Judy, I'm pleased to have a little information on Amanda's life and employment.  As to your questions:  in the 1900, 1910  and 1920 U.S. Censuses Peter says he and his father (who may be named August) and mother were born in Sweden.  Peter also reports he immigrated in 1888.  I don't have access to immigration records so I can't see when Peter left Sweden or Norway (although, he apparently emigrated from Stockholm) with, perhaps, a different wife and four children.  (A side note:  in the 1900 U.S. Census, daughter Mary, age 16, is listed as a boarder with an Andrew and Ingebor Ellested.)  In the 1920 U.S. Census Peter says he immigrated in 1889. In the 1900 Census, Peter states he and Amanda have been married for 9 years.  
 
In the 1905 Minnesota Territorial and State Census Peter says he and his parents were born in Sweden.  But, in the 1930 U.S. Census Peter states he was born in Norway.  And, thanks to a Swedish researcher's sharp eyes, I now know Amanda was Peter's second marriage (as per the 1910 U.S. Census).  Son Amandus (identified as Mandus in 1905 Minnesota Territorial Census) states he was born in Norway. My previous thought was this was a census taker's mistake...maybe not.  
 
At this point, I think Peter's first four children belonged to a wife from Norway!  The Norwegian children are: Anton born in 1882, Mary born March 1885, Anna Emily born in June 1887, and Amandus (or Mandus) born in September 1889.  I just now sent away for Peter's death certificate in the hope it will shed more light and, I'm looking for Peter's obituary in Todd County, Minnesota.  I have no idea where to start looking for Peter in Norway.
 
Arne, thanks for your time and effort on this Hultgren mystery and, certainly, for the picture of the Hultgren headstone.  I'm very grateful for you and Judy's help.  Yvonne

[Bo Nordenfors]

Well, what do you think about this:
 
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name:    Anton Hultgren
Gender:    Male
Age:    4
Estimated birth year:    abt 1886
Date of Arrival:    12 May 1890
Vessel:    Parisian
Search Ship Database:    View the 'Parisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival:    Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll:    C-4537
 
the original passenger list
also showing:
 
Anna Hultgren wife
Ole Hultgren
Anton (shown above)
Stine
Anna
Amandus
 
I'll e-mail copy of passenger list

[Bo Nordenfors]

Anna:
 
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name:    Anna Hultgren
Gender:    Female
Age:    36
Estimated birth year:    abt 1854
Date of Arrival:    12 May 1890
Vessel:    Parisian
Search Ship Database:    View the 'Parisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival:    Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll:    C-4537

[Bo Nordenfors]

Perhaps this is Peter August:
 
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name:    Peder Hultgren
Gender:    Male
Age:    34
Estimated birth year:    abt 1855
Date of Arrival:    10 Aug 1889
Vessel:    Circassian
Search Ship Database:    View the 'Circassian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival:    Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll:    C-4537

[Bo Nordenfors]

Chapman And Smith Family Tree
 
shown here:  
 
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2161717&id=I526067430
 
states Peter was born in Norway.
 
perhaps an idea to connect with the submitter.

[Bo Nordenfors]

This is also an interesting record:
 
Göteborg, Sverige, passagerarlistor, 1869 - 1951 Gothenburg, Sweden, Passenger Lists, 1869-1951
Name:    Per Aug Hultgren
Departure Date:    9 nov 1891
Ship Name:    Dronning Lovisa
Birth Date:    abt 1855
Birth Place:    Höjsby Kulsa
Age:    36
Destination:    Köpenhamn=  Copenhagen, Denmark
 
 
reading the original image, it appears he is from Högsby, Kalmar county,
and going to New York, so this trip is done at a feeder ship.

[Bo Nordenfors]

The Per August Hultgren shown in my earlier posting at 19:44 is recorded in the moving outs book of Högsby parish, 1891, Nov 4, destination North America. However - this is not the man you are going for. Another family!  

 Högsby kyrkoarkiv, Inflyttningslängder, SE/VALA/00160/B I/5 (1874-1894)
and  
Högsby kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/VALA/00160/A I/33 (1891-1900) pg 462.

[Yvonne Corrine Pihlstrom Morehouse]

Thank you, Bo.  You have put in a lot of research time and skills which I appreciate very much.  I'm going to follow up on this information and hope with the excellent help of the Swedes on this site that I can put together this family.  Happy New Year, everyone.  Yvonne

[Bo Nordenfors]

Ellestad is discussed today at the debateforum of Digitalarkivet. Just in order to inform helpers here so double efforts not are taken in vain.
Yvonne, you got the suggestion to enter Digitalarkivet from me, and seems that you have entered already. Chris is one of the helpers often responsing at this message board and she has proceeded on your case usin Digitalarkivet, where you get everything sorted out re. Norwegian genealogy.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av rannug 2011-01-02 16:48)

[Chris Bingefors]

Yes, all the work done by Bo and the researchers earler here has shown that Peter August must have been resident in Norway before emigrating. However, we cannot find his family in the passenger lists leaving Norway. His first wife´s name, Ellestad, is used by several families from the Valdres district. If the birth of his children or his marriage can be found (not easy in Norway) then a clue as to his place of birth may be in the records there.

[Bo Nordenfors]

Amanda Sofia Roxström got a son out of wedlock on 9 March 1891.
A document re. this boy is shown here
 
http://www2.ssa.stockholm.se/Bildarkiv/Egenproducerat/SE-SSA-0809/Barnhuspdf2008 /09_06214.pdf

[Bo Nordenfors]

After a while in orphanage and foster-home he came to his grandfather Karl Peter Roxström in Hannäs parish (1893, August) . (Appears from the document mentioned above). Harry Karl grew up and later married. He remained in Sweden, where he died in 1956 (Swedish Death Index 1901 --2009)

[Moderator USA]

Thread transfered from Discussions in English/General.

[Yvonne Corrine Pihlstrom Morehouse]

Bo:  I signed back into this site today and saw the new information related to Amanda.  I want to thank you for this additional and most welcome bit of history on the family.  Too bad for me that we didn't know about Harry Karl so we could have talked to him about his ancestors.  Yvonne