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Författare Ämne: Lind, John b1860. Emigr 1882 - Location birth ?  (läst 1873 gånger)

2011-06-30, 05:23
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I'm hoping that someone can help me.  I am working on genealogy for my Grandmother's 90th birthday on July 12.  Her grandfather was John Lind, born June 1860 and her grandmother was Mathilda Lind (maiden name unknown).  
 
The only records I have are as follows:
 
Per the 1900 Census
John Lind, Bord June 1860, Immigrated to US: 1882 ended up in Chicago, possible sister Mary, married in 1891 in Chicago
Mathilda Lind, Born Nov 1865, Immigrated to US: 1885, ended up in Chicago
 
I've really hit a wall as my grandmother and her cousin have no information on John's possible father.  
 
I also don't have a possible birth location.
 
I am hoping if the emmigration record if found may give birth location, and the on from there.
 
Please help!  Steve

2011-06-30, 11:14
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Hello Steve.  
 
To my surprise,  I found that the year of immigration regarding John Lind, is the very same in the U.S census 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930. Normally, it's more common that it differentiates with a couple of years. This means that we can be pretty sure of the year of immigration.  
 
However, I believe John possibly changed his name just before his emigration from Sweden or just after arriving to the states. This information is taken from his death certificate (Familysearch.org);
 
Name:    John Lind
Titles and Terms (original):    
Death Date:    19 Sep 1932
Death Place:    Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender:    Male
Marital Status:    
Race or Color:    
Age:    
Estimated Birth Year:    
Birth Date:    
Birthplace:    
Father:    Peter Johnson
Father's Titles and Terms (original):    
Father's Birth Place:    
Mother:    Carrie
Mother's Titles and Terms (original):    
Mother's Birth Place:    
Occupation:    
Residence:    
Street Address:    
Spouse:    Mathilda
 
So, his father's name was presumably Per/Peter/Petter Jonsson/Johansson/Johannesson. The mother's name Carrie could be Karin/Kerstin/Karoline/Karolina.  
 
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2011-06-30, 16:37
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I guess this is John's marriage from Illinois Marriage index
LIND, JOHN        JOHNSON, MATHILDA                    1892-10-29    /     00191432 COOK

2011-06-30, 16:49
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His birth parish might be in the church records if he **joined** a Swedish American church. (Many Swedes had baptisms, confirmations, marriages, and funerals in a church but didn't join.) You don't have enough time to order research at the Swenson Center because they have a long waiting time for research, but perhaps you can get an appointment there to do research. They don't have online records.
 
http://www.augustana.edu/x13856.xml
 
You could also contact the church or churches they attended and ask to research in their records.
 
If they were Lutherans, this is a genealogical guide to researching in Lutheran churches. Swedes used the Augustana Synod, but they might have used a different synod if they lived close enough to a different church.
 
http://archive.elca.org/archives/chicagochurches/chicago.html
 
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2011-06-30, 19:03
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I am hoping if the emmigration record if found may give birth location, and the on from there.
 
The passenger arrival manifests at that time period told that the person was from Sweden and was going to the U.S. That won't help you find new information.
 
If he settled in Chicago and naturalized there, there is little chance that the naturalization record is going to be helpful unless he naturalized after late 1906.  
 
From this site:
 
http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/?section=RecArchivePage&RecArchivePage=arc hive_holdings
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NATURALIZATION RECORDS
Dates:
   1871-1929
Courts:
   Superior, Circuit, County and Criminal Courts of Cook County
(Naturalization records produced by other Cook County towns, such as Blue Island and Calumet City, are not included)
Includes:
   
 
May include declaration of intent, petition, and/or court order. Declarations of intent filed elsewhere may contain more information.
1904-1906    Name, date of naturalization; possibly address & witness
1904-1906    Above, plus generally include town of birth, port of departure, date and port of arrival, occupation, witnesses
1906-1929    Above, plus wife's name and date of birth; children's names and dates of birth; physical description of petitioner
Indexes:
   National Archives Soundex Naturalization Index (Microfilm), 1840-1950 (for Northern Illinois and parts of Iowa, Wisconsin, and Indiana)  
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The 1920 U.S. Federal Census says that John Lind was naturalized in 1890 and arrived in 1881.
 
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Chicago Ward 7, Cook (Chicago), Illinois; Roll: T625_316; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 460; Image: 804.
 
The 1910 U.S. Federal Census says he arrived in 1882.
 
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Chicago Ward 4, Cook, Illinois; Roll: T624_243; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 0258; Image: 1175; FHL Number: 1374256.
 
The 1900 Census says he arrived in 1882.
 
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Chicago Ward 5, Cook, Illinois; Roll: T623_249; Page: 10A; Enumeration District: 133.
 
There are some voter registrations on Ancestry.com which list the date and court of naturalization. You need to know where John Lind lived at the time.
 
Titles of the records are:
 
Chicago Voter Registration, 1892
 
Chicago Voter Registration, 1890
 
Chicago Voter Registration, 1888
 
However, it is unlikely that any naturalization records in Cook County (where Chicago is) will be helpful. Perhaps, if the person started the naturalization process in a location with better questions asked, then you will learn something useful.  
 
The Swenson Center may be your best chance.
 
Judy

2011-07-01, 03:21
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Today I learned that Mathilda's maiden name was Johnson. Further, either Mathilda or John was possibly born in Värmland.  Perhaps this helps point out a search?  I did also learn that there is a possibility that John was an orphan and was adopted.  This would mean that there is a chance that the parents listed on his death certificate were actually Mathilda's parents, since he didn't perhaps claim any?
 
Steve

2011-07-01, 08:12
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A possible person:
 
Efternamn:   LIND
Förnamn:     I P
Ålder:       22            Kön: M
Född: 1859/1860
Församling:  UTÖ    Län: B
Titel/Anm:    
Utresehamn:  GÖTEBORG
Utvandrdag:  1882 11 17
Destination: NEW YORK
Medåkande:   NEJ
Källkod:     21:711:20232
 
Jan Peter Jansson Lind was born 18 June 1860 in Karlstad, Värmland and emigrated from Utö, Stockholm County.
Utö AI:16 (1881-1885) Bild 200 / sid 15 (AID: v91613.b200.s15, NAD: SE/SSA/1580)
 
Parents do not fit with death certificate, they are Jan Persson and Karin Jansdotter. However, sometimes these names are supplied by relatives and not correct. Karlstad landsförsamling  C:1 (1839-1860) Bild 42 (AID: v7144.b42, NAD: SE/VA/13274)
 
There is a sister Maria, born 1857
Karlstad landsförsamling  AI:17 (1856-1860) Bild 150 / sid 143 (AID: v11816.b150.s143, NAD: SE/VA/13274)

2011-07-01, 08:19
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Sister Maria emigrates:
 
Post 91168
 
Jonsdotter, Maria
Piga (unmarried woman)
 
b. 7/4/1857 in Karlstad, Värmlands län (Värmland)
 
Emigrated 11/7/1881
from Linköpings domkyrkoförs, Östergötlands län (Östergötland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 1370
 
Emibas migration file ID: Linköpings domkyrkoförs E 1881 107

2011-07-01, 08:34
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Mother, Carin Jansdotter dies 22 Jan 1862 (Karlstad landsförsamling  AI:18 (1861-1865) Bild 175 / sid 168 (AID: v11817.b175.s168, NAD: SE/VA/13274))
Father Jan Persson dies 17 Jan 1876 (Karlstad landsförsamling  AI:20 (1871-1875) Bild 9 / sid 5 (AID: v11819.b9.s5, NAD: SE/VA/13274))
Jan Petter and Maria (other siblings have died, one, Christina, moved) move together to Karlstad landsförsamling  AI:21 (1876-1880) Bild 28 / sid 18 (AID: v11822.b28.s18, NAD: SE/VA/13274). They seem to live with another, married, couple.
 
They then move to Östergötland province (same page)
They would have been considéred grown-ups by that time, Jan Petter was 16. But possibly you could call him an orphan.
 
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2011-07-01, 09:20
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Well done Chris! Looks very promising!  
 
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2011-07-01, 16:11
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Chris,
Wow!  I'm stunned and very happy!  This looks great!
 
I'm unfamilar with the references you are citing AID, NAD?  Where woudl i go to pull that up?  ARe they part of Genline?
 
I'd love to find copies of those pages for my records!
 
Is there any place to find the siblings names who have died and Christina??
 
Steve

2011-07-01, 17:32
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Steve
 
You can access the same records in Genline:
 
Karlstad landsförsamling AI:17 (1856-1860) Bild 150 / sid 143  
 
(gives the siblings names)
 
Parish: Karlstad landsförsamling
Book; Household examination roll AI:17 (1856-60)
Page: 143
(The AID numbers are only for AD-online, the NAD is the National Archives Database ID)
 
I was not able to follow Christina very far, she disappeared. She is not in the 1880 census so she may have die or emigrated.
 
Who did Mary (Maria) marry in 1891?

2011-07-01, 18:20
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Chris,
My Grandma and her cousin, which are the granddaughters of John, only saw Aunt Mary, a few times.  They don't know anything about here. Where did you see she was married?  How did you find that?
 
I'm still trying to understand how you find and associate these things.  
 
Steve

2011-07-01, 19:17
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In your first entry you have noted possible sister Mary.
 
There is one Mary, in the 1900 census, born in Sweden July 1857, immigrated 1881 in Chicago. She is married to a Charles Sandberg in 1884.

2011-07-01, 19:43
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I meant how you find that Mary was married in the records you find, sorry for my misunderstanding.
 
So this Mary matches birth and emmigation dates, but not the first 1891 marriage date you stated.  Where did you see the 1891 marriage reference.
 
Thank you Chris for your work!

2011-07-01, 19:47
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Oops, maybe you meant John married in 1891! (Top entry)
 
I have not been able to find any more about Mary Sandberg, possible candidate for the sister

2011-07-01, 20:06
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Steve!
 
In the U.S 1900 census it says that Charles Sandberg and Mary have been married for 16 years, in other words, they were married around 1884.
 
1900 census, living in Chicago (direct link https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.familysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fpal%3A%2FMM9.1.i%2Fdgs%3A004113704.004113704_00607)
 

2011-07-01, 20:48
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Yes, I believe John married in 1891.  
 
Can you make out what it says on the right side for this record? Utö, Stockholm County.  
Utö AI:16 (1881-1885) Bild 200 / sid 15 (AID: v91613.b200.s15, NAD: SE/SSA/1580)  
 
It is something about leaving but there is a lot written.  Also, where does it say he came in from.  I dont' understand how he added Lind to his name.
 
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2011-07-01, 21:02
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He probably just decided to use Lind as his name, you could take any name before 1901. He added the name while in Utö, in Nor (where he lived until 1881) he is plain Jansson.
 
In Utö (an island in the Stockholm archipelago) he was working in the mine. He came from Nor, Värmland 17 Nov 1881. The note says that his certificate on moving into the parish notes that he hs been given another certificate to report for military screening (everyone had to) on 7 March 1881. Moves to Nord Amerikas Förenta Stater (North American United States)6 Nov 1882.
 
AND, in Nor we find him living with his sister Christina ad her family:
Nor AI:19 (1881-1885) Bild 484 / sid 475 (AID: v12193.b484.s475, NAD: SE/VA/13389)
 
He is already in Utö, before moving officially. Sister and family also move to Utö. In 1890 they are living in Risinge, Östergötland:
 
Post 940000
 
Jonsdotter, Kristina
 
f. 1847 i Karlstad (Värmlands län, Värmland)
 
h.
Gift kvinna, mor i familjen
 
Butbro Såg Grostorps egor
Risinge (Östergötlands län, Östergötland)
 
Födelseort i källan: Karlstad
 
 
They are still there in the 1900 census

2011-07-01, 21:15
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He is the right man! In the Swedish-American newspaper Sändebudet there was an obituary when he died in 1932 saying that he was born 18 June 1860 in Värmland and died 19 Sept 1932 in Chicago. This fits well with Helene´s death index above. You can probably find the original obituary in a library which has the newspaper on microfilm, for example the Swenson Immigrant Center. It was published 6 Oct 1932.This was from an index at EmiWeb database.
The obit also states that he had a wife, two daughters, two sons in law and two grandchildren as well as a sister!

2011-07-01, 22:03
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Chris!  Youre the best!  Wow does this answer questions!  I can't believe it!  Really good work!  Thank you so much!!!
 
I'm looking in the Sandseryd Household Examinations for Hakan Johanssons b. 1801 parents.  Is this indexed or do you have to go page by page?  Just curious

2011-07-01, 22:09
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Was he born in Sandseryd? In that case you should use the births book! But you may still have to go page by page, unless the village or farm where he was born is stated in the births book.

2011-07-01, 22:13
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This is from the Jönköping County Index, by the local genealogical society:
 
Post 7
 
Håkan
Född 21/9 1801 i Rödjorna, Sandseryd (Jönköpings län) (=Rödjorna farm)
 
Far (Father)
Håkansson, Johannes
Torpare
 
Mor (Mother)
Hörnberg, Eva Kristina
 
Övriga uppgifter
Församlingskod: VALA/00319
--------------
Källa: C:2
 
 
There are several Rödjorna, smallholdings, but here he is:
Sandseryd AI:4 (1805-1820) Bild 131 / sid 733 (AID: v21771.b131.s733, NAD: SE/VALA/00319)

2011-07-01, 22:15
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By the way, several nephews (Christina´s sons) went to Chicago as well

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