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Författare Ämne: Genealogy help needed  (läst 2524 gånger)

2013-06-07, 05:02
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Hello!  
 
I apologize to post in English.
 
I have been searching for ages for information for my great-grandmother's family who emigrated from Sweden in 1880s. I have found plenty of information on my great-grandfather's side and continue to investigate. I hope that someone can help! My great aunt traveled to Sweden many years ago and has provided the limited information that I have.  
 
I am missing all birth dates, but one.  
 
Father: Gustaf Johansson  
Mother: Anna (one surname suggested was Andersdotter)  
Children:  
Mary Elizabeth - 16 Feb 1873 (my great grandmother)  
Alma  
Augusta J  
Emma  
 
The information provided said they were from Westergotland Sweden. I assume this is Västergötland. I do not have better information on the parish. This is where I am lost!  
 
The first record I find is her marriage record (20/06/1892) to Peter Alfred Carlsson (17/12/1865 Västra Vingåker) in Wisconsin, US.  
In the 1900 US Census, she states her immigration year was 1890. The census record is from Winnebago, Illinois.  
 
The story I have heard is that Peter Alfred Carlsson helped the family relocate or get settled in the US. I do not know if the father emigrated first or if he came over with the entire family. The 4 sisters were on the ship together. One of the sisters became very ill on the journey and was thought to be dead. She came back to life before she was buried at sea.  
 
Since Peter Carlsson is from a completely different county as the Johansson, I am not sure how the two families became connected. I have checked all of the counties where the Carlsson family has lived to see if they were maybe neighbors at some point. No luck. It is most likely they met in the US in the Swedish community.  
 
I have also searched all of the passenger lists out of Sweden and cannot find the 4 sisters on the same ship. My mother has heard that they family had to move in secrecy. I guess they did not have permission to move. I don't know why this was the case either.  
 
Thank you in advance for any thread of information that will lead to the right place!  
Cheers  
Kimberly

2013-06-07, 10:11
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Hello Kimberly!
 
I have found a family whose names correspond well with the ones you have, however, there is a slight differentiation
in the given date of birth of your great grandmother.  
 
Maria Elisabeth, born in Fågelås parish, Skaraborg county, Västergötland on february 13, 1873. She was the daughter of Anders Gustaf Johansson (b. 1848) and Anna Kristina Andersdotter (b. 1852). In October 1888, Anna Kristina Andersdotter left Fågelås together with her children and emigrated to America.  
 
The children were:
 
Maria Elisabeth, born as above
Augusta Josefina, born 21 June, 1874
Emma Gustava, born 22 Jan, 1876
Johan Gustav, born 1 Oct, 1877
Alma Josefina, born 10 July, 1882
 
According to the CD Emigranten Populär, they were aiming for Rockford, Ill.  
 
I can't seem to find the husband/father Anders Gustav Johansson in any emigration sources but it is likely that he emigrated a couple/few years prior to his wife and children.  
 
It might be worthwhile to proceed further with the above family.
 
Kind regards Helene

2013-06-07, 10:15
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In addition to the above: Anna Kristina Johansson, nee Andersdotter, left the port of Gothenburg with her five children on October the 5th, 1888.

2013-06-07, 10:20
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Anders Gustaf emigrated to America 22 March 1887.
According to a note in the parish register, Anders Gustaf  drowned in America 23 June 1890.
 
Sources:
Norra Fågelås kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder A I:10 (1885-1895), p. 172.
Norra Fågelås kyrkoarkiv, In- och utflyttningslängder, B:5 (1860-1895), moving out 1887, #10
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2013-06-08, 00:12
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And Maria Elisabeth was not born in Fågelås, she was born in Agnetorp parish Feb 13 1873 and baptized Feb 16 1873,  according to birth book   Acklinga C:6 (1864-1885) Bild 106 / sid 193
 
(The book from Agnetorp is within the book for Acklinga, that the reason for the source's naming)
 
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av mats 2013-06-08 00:16)

2013-06-08, 00:27
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When Anna came to US  she had the 4 daughters and the son John with her
The information can be found on Ancestry
 
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Anna Johnson
Name:    Anna Johnson
Arrival Date:    18 Oct 1888
Birth Date:    abt 1852
Age:    36
Gender:    Female
Place of Origin:    Maline, Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Gallia
 
The place of origin shall be read as Malmö, perhaps she started her journey there?

2013-06-08, 11:46
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Here the family is in Lerbacken in Norra Fågelås (bottom family):
 

 
Anders Gustaf Johannessons parents and siblings is the ones at the top:
Johannes Andersson
Kajsa Lisa Andersdotter
 
Norra Fågelås AI:9 (1874-1884) Bild 114 / sid 106 (AID: v55979.b114.s106, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)

2013-06-08, 12:12
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Johannes Andersson dies 15 jan 1891 in Lerbacken, according to BoU his son Gustaf moved to America and died:
Kåkinds häradsrätt FII:47 (1890-1892) Bild 349 (AID: v143834.b349, NAD: SE/GLA/11029)

2013-06-08, 12:39
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And according to the Estate  inventory (BoU) for Anders Gustafs father, lived the son, Johan Gustaf,  in 1891.

2013-06-08, 12:57
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År 1891 den 31 januari förrättades bouppteckning i Sterbhuset efter torparen Johannis Andersson i Lerbacken under Almnäs som afled den 16 januari 1891, och sig efterlemnar hustrun Enkan Kattarina Andersson och 5 barn neml.
 
Frans Oskar född år 1854,
Per August född år 1858,
Adolf Herman född år 1863,
dotter Augusta gift med torparen Anders Andersson i Stenbacken,  
alla dessa är myndiga och närvarande,  
 
och son Gustaf flyttat till amerika men är nu mera afliden och sig efterlemnar 5 barn neml.
 
Maria Elisabeth, född den 12 februari 1873,
Augusta Josefina född den 21 juni 1874,
Ema Gustafva född den 22 januari 1876,
Johan Gustaf född den 1 oktober 1877,
och Anna Josefina Sofia född den 10 september 1882,
 
och till godeman för dessa omyndiga föreslogs torparen Emanuel Johansson i Böjan under Almnäs...  
 

 
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av PLarsen 2013-06-08 12:59)

2013-06-08, 13:07
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Does the Estate inventory mention Frans Oskar, born in 1854 (sep 8th) who was the brother of Anders Gustav? He emigrated to America in September 1889 according to Emiweb.

2013-06-08, 13:22
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Helene, I believe Frans Oskar never went to the US. He is back in sweden a year later, here he and his family moves away from Stora Almö 1892:
Norra Fågelås B:5 (1860-1895) Bild 175 (AID: v55985.b175, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 

2013-06-08, 13:43
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According to SveBef 1900 Frans Oskar lives in Klagstorp, Norra kyrketorp. Here:
Norra Kyrketorp AIIa:1 (1899-1917) Bild 440 / sid 35 (AID: v243539.b440.s35, NAD: SE/GLA/13396)
 

2013-06-08, 18:12
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Maria Elisabeths uncle Lars Johan Johansson (born 24 jan 1846 in Fågelås) moves to Stockholm 17 nov 1874:
Norra Fågelås B:5 (1860-1895) Bild 69 (AID: v55985.b69, NAD: SE/GLA/13393) #75
He dies there: 21 may 1884 in Kungsholm according to Rotemansarkivet.
Kungsholm FI:9 (1880-1888) Bild 100 / sid 96 (AID: v87666.b100.s96, NAD: SE/SSA/0011)

2013-06-08, 19:25
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Much gratitude to everyone.
This is great information. I am so happy to locate their origin.
Yes, Anders did drown in America.
I will be very busy this weekend.

2013-06-08, 22:15
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I have found a little more information about Johannes Anderssons (born 24 apr 1821) ancestors. Tell me if you want the information and I will post it here, or perhaps you want to try yourself first

2013-06-09, 03:27
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Peter
I would love to see any additional information you have.
My records are limited in the US.  
Thank you!

2013-06-09, 13:05
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Okay, here is what I have found:
 
Johannes Anderssons father Andreas/Anders Nilsson born 14 oct 1785 in Fröjered dies in Lerbacken 20 apr 1847:
[s.1] Norra Fågelås AI:5 1841-1851 Bild 111 / sid 211 AID: v55968.b111.s211, NAD: SE/GLA/13393
 
It says in Anders Nilssons Estate inventory that Johannes has a sister Cajsa that is 20 years old:
[s.2] Kåkinds häradsrätt FII:34 1847-1849 Bild 117 / sid 227 AID: v143821.b117.s227, NAD: SE/GLA/11029
 
Cajsa was born 27 aug 1827:
[s.3] Norra Fågelås AI:4 1834-1842 Bild 102 / sid 92 AID: v55967.b102.s92, NAD: SE/GLA/13393
[s.4] Norra Fågelås AI:5 1841-1851 Bild 47 / sid 83 AID: v55968.b47.s83, NAD: SE/GLA/13393
 
Anders Nilsson in Lerbacken:
[s.5] Norra Fågelås AI:2 1811-1824 Bild 450 / sid 73 AID: v55965a.b450.s73, NAD: SE/GLA/13393
[s.6] Norra Fågelås AI:3 1824-1836 Bild 55 / sid 81 AID: v55966.b55.s81, NAD: SE/GLA/13393
 
Anders Nilssons Birth record, born in Lennartstorp/Linnartstorp, Fröjered:
[s.7] Fröjered C:2 1770-1861 Bild 21 / sid 35 AID: v26931.b21.s35, NAD: SE/GLA/13134
Father: Nils Jonsson/Johansson born 1751 in Fröjered
Mother: Karin Olofsdotter born 1752 in Friden
 
Linnartstorp, Fröjered:
[s.8] Fröjered AI:3 1790-1802 Bild 36 / sid 63 AID: v26915.b36.s63, NAD: SE/GLA/13134
Father: Nils Jonsson/Johansson born 1751 in Fröjered
Mother: Karin Olofsdotter born 1752 in Fridene
son: Johan born 1778
son: Lisa born 1782
son: Andreas born 1785, this is your Anders Nilsson  
son: Olof born 26 okt 1787
son: Petter born 25 sep 1790
 
Nils Johansson dies 17 dec 1794 in Linnartstorp, Fröjered:
[s.9] Fröjered C:2 1770-1861 Bild 164 / sid 317 AID: v26931.b164.s317, NAD: SE/GLA/13134
 
My guess is that the years 1751 and 1752 is estimations done by the priest, based on the parents ages.
 
Perhaps this is Nils Johanssons birth record: 22 sep 1750, cant find any Nils born 1751 in Fröjered
[s.10] Fröjered C:1 1727-1769 Bild 450 / sid 81 AID: v26930.b450.s81, NAD: SE/GLA/13134
Father: Johan Nilsson
Mother: Lisa Svensdotter
Nävetorp, I am not sure about this, it says Jean while the birth record say Johan:
[s.11] Fröjered AI:2 1756-1759 Bild 15 / sid 17 AID: v26914.b15.s17, NAD: SE/GLA/13134
 
Perhaps this is Karin Olofsdotters birth record:  19 sep 1751, cant find any Karin born 1752 in Fridene
[s.12] Fridene C:1 1727-1769 Bild 630 / sid 113 AID: v27640a.b630.s113, NAD: SE/GLA/13125
Father: Olof Thorstensson
Mother: Siri Svensdotter
Fridene Båsgården, this might be the household before Karin was born:
[s.13] Fröjered AI:1 1740-1747 Bild 760 / sid 135 AID: v26913a.b760.s135, NAD: SE/GLA/13134
... a guess is that Britta 61 years old is the mother of either Olof or Siri. The dother Karin born 1743 that died in march 1747 tell us that it is very possible that we have found the correct family.
 
Johannes Anderssons mother Maria Carlsdotter born 13 apr 1780 in Fågelås dies in Lerbacken 6 nov 1863:
[s.14] Norra Fågelås AI:7 1858-1864 Bild 114 / sid 102 AID: v55976.b114.s102, NAD: SE/GLA/13393
 
Birth record for Maria Carlsdotter 13 apr 1780 Almenäs, Norra Fågelås:
[s.15] Norra Fågelås C:2 1748-1810 Bild 62 / sid 117 AID: v55987.b62.s117, NAD: SE/GLA/13393
Father: Carl Carlsson
Mother: Stina Larsdotter
 
Someone here on the forum might help you find more sources to verify that the above is correct.
 
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2013-06-09, 20:20
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Lerbacken is Maria Carlsdotter and Anders Nilssons when Marias relative Torsten Larsson dies 25 feb 1825, it is described in Estate inventory after Torsten Larsson:
Kåkinds häradsrätt FII:27 (1824-1826) Bild 259 / sid 511 (AID: v143814.b259.s511, NAD: SE/GLA/11029)
It doesn't say how they are related.
 
Torsten Larssons (born 28 feb 1758) father is Lars Torstensson (born 8 aug 1727 Kronogård). Lars dies in Lerbacken 1802, Estate inventory:
Kåkinds häradsrätt FII:18 (1800-1802) Bild 302 / sid 597 (AID: v143805.b302.s597, NAD: SE/GLA/11029)
 
Torsten Larsson mother is Beata Christoffersdotter (born 20 jul 1722 Rosendal), she dies 5 apr 1796 in Rammatorp, Estate inventory:
Kåkinds häradsrätt FII:16 (1794-1796) Bild 437 / sid 859 (AID: v143803.b437.s859, NAD: SE/GLA/11029)
 
I am unsure about exactly how they are related to Maria Carlsdotter And Anders Nilsson.

2013-06-09, 21:00
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A brother to Maria Carlsdotter, Carl Carlsson, is born 10 may 1784 in krumpekullatorp, Norra Fågelås:
Norra Fågelås C:2 (1748-1810) Bild 72 / sid 137 (AID: v55987.b72.s137, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 
Krumpekullatorp:
Norra Fågelås AI:1 (1789-1812) Bild 42 / sid 73 (AID: v55964.b42.s73, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)

 
That give us more information about Maria Carldotters parents and siblings:
f: Carl Carlsson born 6 feb 1756 in Hjo
m: Stina Larsdotter born 7 maj 1756 in Börstorp

2013-06-09, 21:58
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Birth record of Carl Carlsson 6 feb 1756 in Herreqvarnen, Hjo:
Hjo stadsförsamling C:2 (1731-1781) Bild 47 / sid 193 (AID: v45962.b47.s193, NAD: SE/GLA/13209)
Father: Carl Erlandsson
Mother: Kerstin Persdotter
 
Carl Erlandsson dies 20 aug 1762 in Herrekvarn, Estate inventory:
Kåkinds häradsrätt FII:6 (1762-1764) Bild 147 / sid 289 (AID: v143793.b147.s289, NAD: SE/GLA/11029)
4 children: 3 sons and 1 daughter, Jacob Fernström was chosen as förmyndare (dont know the english word) for the children.

2013-06-10, 00:56
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I will have to look into Torsten Larsson and see if I can find the relation. Perhaps it is Maria's family since her mother is Larsdotter.

2013-06-12, 08:16
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förmyndare = guardian

2013-06-12, 18:17
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I agree, I do believe the relationship with Torsten is with Maria, but I can't find out how.
 
The birth of Stina Larsdotter:
Norra Fågelås C:2 (1748-1810) Bild 13 / sid 19 (AID: v55987.b13.s19, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 

 
Father: Lars Andersson
Mother: Kerstin Larsdotter
 
... the relationship could be Kerstin and Torsten being siblings. I will look more into it and let you know if I find it out

2013-06-12, 21:33
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Lars Andersson dies in Börstorp, Norra Fågelås 1772, Estate inventory:  
Kåkinds häradsrätt FII:9 (1770-1772) Bild 285 / sid 545 (AID: v143796.b285.s545, NAD: SE/GLA/11029)
 

 
He had 6 living children at 1772:
Lars Larsson
Maria Larsdotter
+ 4 minors (one should be your Kerstin)

2013-06-12, 21:45
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Kerstin Larsdotters big brother Lars Larsson is born 29 jul 1748 in Krumpekullatorp:
Norra Fågelås C:2 (1748-1810) Bild 5 / sid 2 (AID: v55987.b5.s2, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 
His family in Börstorp:
Norra Fågelås AI:1 (1789-1812) Bild 40 / sid 69 (AID: v55964.b40.s69, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 

2013-06-13, 06:59
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I am sorry, I mixed up the names. I meant Stina Larsdotter and Stinas big brother Lars Larsson in the posts above

2013-06-13, 18:58
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Birthrecord for Kajsa Lisa Andersdotter 7 nov 1819 Karlskärr, Norra Fågelås:
Norra Fågelås C:3 (1811-1860) Bild 23 / sid 39 (AID: v55988.b23.s39, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 
Family:
Norra Fågelås AI:2 (1811-1824) Bild 370 / sid 57 (AID: v55965a.b370.s57, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 

2013-06-13, 20:54
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Birthrecord for Kajsa Lisa Andersdotters mother Catharina Eliasdotter 30/31 dec 1791 Trollebo Soldattorp:
Norra Fågelås C:2 (1748-1810) Bild 93 / sid 179 (AID: v55987.b93.s179, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
Father: Elias Fagerman
Mother: Stina Andersdotter
 
Family:
Norra Fågelås AI:1 (1789-1812) Bild 44 / sid 77 (AID: v55964.b44.s77, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 

2013-06-14, 03:48
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So interesting. Finding so many family members and this Torsten Larsson is still a mystery. The search continues.
 
Thank you so much for your efforts!

2013-06-14, 19:15
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I think I have found out how they are related. Maria Carlsdotters mothers sister Lena Larsdotter is born 17 jan 1752 in Krumpekullatorp:
Norra Fågelås C:2 (1748-1810) Bild 9 / sid 11 (AID: v55987.b9.s11, NAD: SE/GLA/13393)
 
She marries Torsten Larsson. Marias aunt Lena Larsdotter dies in Lerbacken 26 jun 1818.
 
So Torsten Larsson was Marias mothers sisters husband.

2013-06-15, 19:33
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Here are a little familytree för Maria Elisabeth:

 
Are you familiar with ancestry.com Kimberly? I can share this tree for you

2013-06-16, 02:09
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Hi Peter
You are so kind! Yes I am very familiar with Ancestry.com. It has been a big help so far but it is also limited at times. I am in the process of linking my existing tree to this one you have sent. I very much appreciate your help. It would have taken me so many months to search through all of the archives. My mother is so happy now to have found out about her dear grandmother and family.  
Thank you again!
Kimberly

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