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[Tommie Idebro]

Lars !
Skicka ett mail till mig med din adress så får du veta en del om Olof Pärsson.
m v h idebro@tele2.se

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi,
 
I need help with the parent's names on GID: 2128.88.90300   #62   Is the father Pehr Pehrsson?   Is the mother Anica Pehrsdotter?
 
You help will be appreciated.
 
Daraleen

[Per Thorsell]

Exactly. The dash over n in Anica doubles the n to make it Annica.
 
Per.

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Per,
 
Thank you for confirming the names and correcting my spelling of Annica.   Now my puzzle is this family in the Household examination 1778 - 1787 GID: 2128.38.27300 Stora Malm.  There is Pehr Pehrsson and Kiersti Andersdotter (possibly the parents of the next Pehr) whose patronym doesn't appear to be Pehrsson - or does it?
 
Daraleen

[Bo Johansson]

Do you mean the Pehr born 1743?  
 
The word after Pehr does not look like Pehrsson, but perhaps it isn't a name, but some remark?
 
In the next HFL 1788-1797 page 62 (GID 2128.41.14900) there is a Pehr Pehrs. born 1743.
 
In both HFL volumes the wife's name looks like Anna Pehrsdotter.
 
// Bo Johansson

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Bo,
 
Thank you, very much.  That is what I was seeing and it confused me.
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

I checked the aforementioned household examination roll, too. As Bo thought, the word after Pehr born 1743 isn't a name, it's a remark that he had been appointed to sexman.
 
Camilla

[Per Thorsell]

Per Persson was Sexman, one of several elected officials in the parish. Among his duties as sexman, was to sign the fiscal record. Here you can see his signature on the fiscal record for Stora Malm in 1790. It is the square below his name.
 
 
 
Per Thorsell.

[Per Thorsell]

New Trial:
 

[Ulf Berggren]

Lars!
 
Tydligen har du missat att Olof Persson i Nimtorp finns med på den kändisantavla, som jag publicerade i senaste numret av AnKnytningen.
Den finns också på nätet, på Nyköping-Oxelösunds Släktforskarförenings hemsida.
 
Där framgår bland annat att Olof, ana 298, åter dömdes för vidskeplig gärning 1725, och att det finns en artikel om honom i Sörmlandsbygden 1994.
 
F ö har jag redan lite att komplettera om dina nya anor i Lilla Mellösa, som du skickade. Maila om du vill ha detta redan nu och inte vill avvakta hela genomgången.

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla and Per,
 
Thank you for this new information.  It adds interesting information about Pehr - along with his signature.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi,
 
Can someone make out the farm name for Jan, born 03 Dec christened 07 Jan 1783 Stora Malm GID: 2128.88.92100 - near middle of page?  I haven't found thing in the Household examination which looks like it.
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Jan was born in Dahl, and you'll find the family on GID 2128.38.23200.

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
Thank you, very much, for that information.  Now I can proceed with research on his ancestors.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi,
 
Now I need help with the place for birth #32 GID: 2128.87.79300  Maria to Olof Olofsson & Anna Månsdotter.
 
Your help will be appreciated.
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Olof Olofsson and Anna Månsdotter lived in Låskebol. You'll find the family at GID 2128.32.37300, together with Olof's parents (it's the family on the top of the page, and your Olof is 13 years old when this particular examination roll begins in 1749).
 
Good luck!

[Daraleen Wade]

Thanks, Camilla,
 
That is great help!   Onward I'll go with Olof's ancestry.  It's always a bonus to get 2 or 3 generations at once.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

In looking at the marriage of Olof Olofsson & Maria Andersdotter 10 Oct 1733  GID: 2128.87.83300, I can't read where Maria was from.  Your help will be appreciated.
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Maria Andersdotter came from Långviken. It is tempting to think that she was the daughter to Anders Andersson and Anna Jansdotter in Långviken, but I can't find her at all in the household examination roll from 1728 to 1733 (well, 1749, to be precise).  
Långviken seems to have been situated right next to Låskebol, since they can be found on GID 2128.31.17000 (Låskebol) and GID 2128.31.17100 (Långviken).
 
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
I had wondered if it was Långviken and had looked for her there, but when I didn't find her I thought I had misinterpreted the name.  I'll work on that theory some more.  Thanks for your input.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
I don't find Anders Andersson & Anna Jansdotter of Långviken with a daughter Maria in any of the Hsfl.  They are consistently listed with a dtr Anna, but no Maria.
 
In looking at the births 1713 - 1726 I find a Maria born in 1714 GID: 2128.86.48900  with a father Anders.  Could this be the one I'm looking for?
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Hi Daraleen
 
Actually I think that you should check out the Maria Andersdotter who was baptized on 1711 29/1 - in Långviken.
 
I looked at the household examination rolls, and according to AI:4 (1749- 62) Maria should be born around 1710 (well, January 1711 is pretty close, huh?). I also checked the baptizing witnesses for her children, but couldn't find any indications that she had relatives anywhere but in Långviken.
 
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
I think you are right.  If she was christened in January her birthday was probably in 1710.   Now, in looking at GID 2128.28.101300  1724, I believe what I've been reading as Anna is actually Maria.   What do you think?
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

On GID: 2128.28.96700 we find Oluf Olufsson with his parents in Låskebol (1728).  In GID: 2128.28.101200 (1730) there are 2 sons named Oluf in the family.  I gather the oldest one is the one who married Maria Andersdotter in 1733.  I find the christening of an Oluf Olufsson in Feb 1709  GID: 2128.85.44500 - is this the one I need?   Also, is the father's name Oluf Parsson or Persson.  The Hfls, above, show the mother's name to Margetha. Is this the marriage of Oluf and Margretha?  GID: 2128.85.32000 (bottom of page)
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Now I see, in Hfl 1732- 1749 Laskebol GID: 2128.31.17000 where Margetha's patronym was Andersdotter so the 1702 marriage I found is not the correct one so I'm back to square one on that marriage.
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Let's see...
 
First, the daughter in Långviken at GID 2128.28.101300 is Anna, not Maria. It's strange that Maria never appears in the hfl, but these are not that thorough (it seems likely that the priest only visited the households every fourth year or so), and probably missed her at every visit because she was A. too young, B. sick, C. working - and living - in another household or D. he was just sloppy.
 
Those two sons Olof were strange indeed. It wasn't uncommon in certain parts of Sweden (I've seen it in the southern part, Skåne, and on Gotland), to give more than one child the same name, but I've only heard of one case in Södermanland. Most likely it's an error by the priest.
 
Olof Persson and Margareta Andersdotter were probably not married in Stora Malm. It's hard to say whether their kids were born there or not, since the baptizing book only gives the father's and kid's first names. I suppose that you have noticed that they move to Vingåker (I think it is Västra Vingåker) in 1756?
 
Since Olof Olofsson, according to the age given in AI:4, was 38 years old in 1749, he should be born 1711 ca. He is probably NOT identical to the boy born in February 1709, and most likely wasn't born in Stora Malm.
 
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
You are probably correct in your assessment of the situation.  I hadn't noticed the reference to Vingaker in 1756 but in looking back thru the Hfls there is a reference to the same place in 1731 GID: 2128.28.96700.    I looked there for Olof's birth but didn't find it in 1711.  I believe it says on his death record that he was born in Feb 1711 GID: 2128.65.44600.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi,  
 
GID 2128.31.17000 seems to indicate Margretha Andersdotter died in 1737 and Oluf ? Pehrsson ? died in 1744.  I don't find either of them in the death records.  Am I reading it wrong?
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Yes, unless it was their corpses that moved to Vingåker in 1756...  
 
Unfortunately Genline seems to be down at the moment (I tried three times to login, without success), and I'm off to my parents for Sunday dinner in 20 minutes time, but I'll try again tonight.
 
As far as I know, when it only says Vingåker in Stora Malm, it refers most of the time to Östra Vingåker, not Västra. I checked yesterday for the wedding of Olof Persson and Margareta Andersdotter in both Västra and Östra Vingåker without any success, but one year was missing in Östra Vingåker, and another year was unreadable due to the weak print  
 
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
All things come to pass and I guess we have reached that point with this family.  When one can't proceed with a degree of accuracy it is time to go to another limb of the tree.  Since there are many other limbs in Stora Malm I will be working on them.   I do appreciate your help and hope you will continue to help me with these other families.
 
Daraleen