Äldre inlägg (arkiv) till 17 februari, 2011

[Eva Almqvist]

If you look at the first page called Innehållsförteckning you can se that it is different pages för Births, deaths and marriges. Birth pages are divided in 3, the child, parents and vittnes.

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Thank you Eva!  That helped.

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Can someone help me figure out this farm name in Brastad?  It's the birth of my 6th great-grandmother, Anna Olofsdotter, b 1706.  In the file, the farm name looks like Röds.  In a family file on Ancestry.com, it is shown as Rödby.  I have searched the Brastad Husförhör 1804-1809 and also the Ortnamnsregistret (ca 1951).  I don't find any farm or cottage that seems to match.  I will appreciate any help.
 
mvh
Patricia
 

[Peter Ohlsson]

Hi,
 
She was born in Holländaröd and her parents were Olof Hansson and his first wife Anna Andersdotter
 
Vänligen
Peter

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Thank you, Peter!

[Eva Olsson]

Hej! Jag har en Carolina Vilhelmina som föds 18230707 Brastad Önna (släktdata F3) Brastad C:4 Bild 19 sid 31 Arkiv Digital. Föräldrar Carl Nilsson(Bodin)född 1779 mor Britta Maja Wallström vet ej när hon är född. Carl Nilsson Bodin gifter sig 18340117 med Helena Pehrsdotter. Släktdata Brastad V 1.Då är han änkling bor Hällan under Barkedal och Helena Myren under Lingädde.Är det någon som kan hjäpa mig Carolinas föräldrar? Tacksam för hjälp.Eva

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

I'm reading the church book for Brastad 1703.  The entry for the birth of Anders Olofsson shows Dom Rogate (5th Sunday after Easter).  I have a program that can interpret this date, but I must choose either the Julian calendar (the program default for 1703 Sweden) or the Gregorian calendar.  Julian results in Saturday 2 May (it defines Easter as Saturday, 28 Mar).  The Gregorian result is Sunday, 13 May.
 
Here's what the program help says on the subject:
 
Sweden: The change from Julian to Gregorian calendar was long and difficult. The plan was originally to leave out February 29 of eleven successive leap years beginning year 1700. In that year the day was left out, but it was still maintained in the leap years 1704 and 1708. By 1712 it was decided to go back to the Julian calendar, and the missing day was added as February 30 1712. The final change happened in 1753, when March first followed immediately after February 17.
 
Which should I use?
 
mvh
Patricia

[Sture Berg]

Patricia !
 
In the Swedish calendar it was Sunday 3 May. (One day, February 29 1700 was left out.)
 
Mvh Sture
 
PS
I could not find any of those estate inventorys You asked for.
DS

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Hej Sture!
 
Thanks for your reply.  It must be the Julian calendar.  3 May makes more sense than the 2nd.  How could the 5th Sunday after Easter fall on a Saturday??
 
I'm sorry, I thought I wrote back to you about the inventories.  I really appreciate it that you looked.  It's too bad there was nothing, because I think it could have answered some questions.
 
Thanks again!
 
mvh
Patti

[Helge Roland Johansson]

Tack Marie för ditt engagemang. Tack vare din sökning i Norge fann våra vänner där den ene av de bröder jag sökte efter. Nu vet jag mer vart de flyttade och kan söka vidare i trakten efter den andre brodern.  
Tack än en gång!!

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

About the farms, Medbo and Medby, I am confused.  An example is Hans Olsson, who was born 1703 at Holländeröd i Brastad.
 
In the Lindbergh book for Brastad -- Holländeröd (page 113) states that Hans married Anna Olsdtr fr. Medby.  But she was really from Medbo i Brastad (page 208)
 
In the Lindbergh book for Bro -- Hans is a farmer at Medby in Bro (page 263).  It states that his wife came fr. Medbo i Brastad, which I believe is correct.
 
And on Släktdata -- in the Dödregister Brastad-D1, it shows that Hans died in 1777 at Medby.  I have also confirmed this in the Brastad church book.  Why was his death NOT recorded in the Bro church book?
 
I have looked for a farm Medby in Brastad, and don't find one.
 
Can anyone help me understand this?
 
mvh
Patricia
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Pamikkelsen 2011-02-07 14:09)

[Sture Berg]

Patricia !
 
Medbo in Brastad was earlier often spelled Medbÿ, I think.
 
When Hans Olsson was a widower maybe he moved to Medbo in Brastad.
Medbo was a farm next to Holländaröd,where he was born.
One of the farmers was his brother Olof's son Anders.
May be he lived there as an inhyses.
 
I don´t know how to prove this is facts.
 
mvh
Sture

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Hej Sture!
 
Thank you for responding.  I agree, it makes sense that Medbo in Brastad was sometimes spelled Medby.  That fits with the records I have seen.
 
About Hans Olsson, it seems that he moved to Bro right after he got married to Anna.  Their first two children were born at Kleva i Bro.  The rest were born at Medby i Bro.  I wonder what brought him to Bro?  As I wrote, he was born at Holländaröd i Brastad, and his wife, Anna, was born at Medbo i Brastad.  I don't know where Anna died, only that she died before Hans.
 
Thanks again
mvh
Patti

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

My 7th g-grandparents were Olof Hansson (b. 1665 Holländaröd) and Anna Andersdotter (b. 1662 at ??).  Nils Lindbergh's book for Brastad does not seem to indicate where Anna was born.  Is there any other resource that might show her place of birth?
 
mvh
Patricia

[Harriet Hogevik]

Hi Patricia!  
Hans Olsson b 1703 married 1727 - I believe he moved to Bro to get a farm (or work at a farm) when he started a family. Probably his father prefered to keep the farm at Holländaröd - he married wife no 3 in the year 1730.
 
I am not sure that Anders Olsson b 1758 lived at Medbo when Hans Olsson moved there (died 1777) - A. O. bought 1/4 Medbo 1789 (Lindbergh).
 
Hans Olsson\s younger half-brother Olof Olsson b Nov 25, 1724 (my ff ff ff and  mf ff ff)married 1757 Börta Stenarsdotter, who was then widow after Anders Olsson born at Medbo (Lindbergh, Rörvall N, Brastad). Olof was farmer at Rörvall. Could perhaps Börta have had a part of (or connection to) Medbo from her first marriage ?(my personal hypothesis)
 
But also Hans Olsson\s wife also came from Medbo - maybe they moved back to that part of Brastad together...
Regards, Harriet
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Hkh 2011-02-09 20:56)

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Hej Harriet!
 
What interests me is -- why was Anders Olsson born at Medbo?  All the children of Olof Trulsson & Anna Andersdtr were born at Rörvall until the last one, Anders, in 1723.  I would not have assumed that Anders had ownership of Medbo.  I wondered if the birth of Anders at Medbo had something to do with the fact that his father's sister (Maren Trulsdtr) married Ole Håkansson from Medbo.  Although, both Ole & Maren died before Anders was born.
 
Thank you for the insight regarding Hans Olsson.  Although I don't think (his wife) Anna was still living when he came back to Medbo.  She died sometime between 1744-1777.  In that case, I thought I would see a record of her burial on Slaktdata if she died in Brastad.  That is why I suspect she died while they were still living in Bro.  But I don't have the patience to page through all those church records for Bro!
 
Thanks again
 
mvh
Patti

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

I am looking for the children born to Hans Olsson Brastad (f. 1723) and Anna Nilsdtr Önna (f. 1725).  According to Lindbergh (Brastad, page 42), they had seven children, listed in this order -- Olof (1746), Sven (17..), Mattis (17..), Olof (17..), Anders (17..), Anna & Karin (1760).  
 
The only births I found in Brastad are twins, Anna & Karin (1760).  
 
On FamilySearch, I found these births in Tossne, Goteborg och Bohus -- Olof (1747), Sven (1749), Mattis (1752), Olof (1755), and Anders (1758).  These births seem to fit, but I don't have access to church books for Tossene for this period, so I can't verify it.  
 
Also, can't find a marriage record for Hans & Anna.
 
Does anyone have any suggestions for me?  I don't know whether it's reasonable to think this family in Tossene is a fit.
 
mvh
Patricia

[Sture Berg]

Patricia !
 
Hans Olsson was a farmer at Lossby, Bärfendal (O), but You must have got it right!
Mattis was born 1753:

 
Mvh
Sture

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Hej Sture!
 
Thanks to you, I found all the births in the church book for Bärfendal.  But do you think this is the same family who is mentioned in the Brastad book on page 42?  There is no mention there of his migration to Lossby i Bärfendal.  Is there a Lindbergh book for Bärfendal?  If so, does the section for Lossby mention that Hans Olsson and Anna Nilsdotter were from Brastad?  What do you think?  Is this a match?
 
Also, I can't find any record of their marriage.  Looked in Brastad and in Bärfendal.
 
Again, many thanks for your help!
 
mvh
Patti

[Sture Berg]

Hej Patti !
 
When Hans Olsson died, there was five sons and one dougter alive.
Olof I, Sven, Mattis, Olof II, Anders and Anna alive.
Karin I and Karin II were ded.  
 
 

 
This is the estate inventory for Hans Olsson.  
 
I really think this is a match.
 
mvh
Sture

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Thank you Sture!  I think so too...
 
mvh
Patti

[Harriet Hogevik]

Hej Patti & Sture! There is no Lindbergh´s book for Bärfendal. That Lindbergh does not mention the family moving to Bärfendal and back may be due to Lindbergh only reading the books for Brastad. He very often mention the information he has and leaves out a lot of other information concerning a certain family.  
Hans Olsson is called nämndeman at p 42 (NL)- was he nämndeman in Brastad or Bärfendal?
When was Karin II (or Karin I) born? I hope Anna Nilsdotter did not have one more child in between the three pairs of twins she gave birth to in the period dec 1760 to jan 1765 (totally 49 months).....
Mvh Harriet
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av hkh 2011-02-13 18:29)

[Sture Berg]

Harriet and Patricia!
 
This is what I have got:
 

 
Mvh Sture

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Hej Sture
 
Thank you for this information.  Do you have a marriage date for Anna Nilsdotter and Hans Olsson?
 
Also, about the farm name -- you refer to Brastad Kronogård.  What does this word mean?  Should I be including terms like this and Frälse in the farm name?  Sorry if this is a silly question...
 
mvh
Patti

[Sture Berg]

Hej Patti !
 
No I don´t have the marriage date. Most of the books for Bärfendal are destroyed by fire.
 
Kronogård: a farm owned by the gouvernment. The farmer had to pay rent.
Skattegård: a farm owned by the farmer. He  had to pay tax.
Frälsegård: owned by a nobleman. The farmer had to pay rent to him, but no tax to the gouvenment.
Lindbergh uses the names Brastad Frälse, Brastad Krono and Brastad Skatte for the farms in the village
Brastad.
 
Mvh Sture

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Thank you, Sture!  I see that I have some work to do!  I have to add Krono, Frälse or Skatte to a lot of farm names!  It's good that I understand this now.
 
mvh
Patti

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

One more thing... Ancestry.com has church books for Bärfendal and Brastad.  I searched from 1740-1749, and didn't find their marriage.  
 
I was puzzled by the records on FamilySearch.  For example -- it showed that Olof (d.a.) was born in Tossene in 1747, but the file that contained this record is called Barfendal; Svenska Kyrkan.  Perhaps Tossene is just an error on the part of FS.
 
mvh
Patti

[Sture Berg]

Patti !
 
Bärfendal before 1962 was a parish under the vicar of Tossene.
Does this make sence ?
 
Mvh Sture

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Yes, that makes sense.  Thanks again, Sture!
 
mvh
Patti

[Patricia Mikkelsen]

Here's a question about Brastad (see Lindbergh page 42, Brastad Kronogård).
 
Anders Olsson (s/o Olof Nilsson of Brastad Krono) married Elsa Torstensdtr fr. Brattön.  They moved to Medby in Bro for a time.  Their first five children were born there.  But by the time their sixth child (Börje in 1761) was born, the family has moved back to Brastad.  Anders and Elsa both died there.  However, there is nothing in Börje's birth record or Anders & Elsa's death records to indicate if the family came back to Brastad Krono.  Do I assume he moved back to his father's farm?
 
mvh
Patti