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Författare Ämne: Gösta Jönsson and Botilla/ Älla Pährsdotter ?  (läst 562 gånger)

2023-04-19, 16:52
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I am looking for any information available about this family who lived in Svensgården, Hedared/Sandhult. Gösta passed away 2 Feb 1736. I have not found when Älla died. I know for sure they have daughters Anna about 1710, Börta 1714 and Maria born 1 Apr 1730. I am not exactly sure of mom's name. Any help would be greatly appreciated please. Peg

2023-04-20, 12:41
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What source do you have for the death of Gösta?
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2023-04-20, 19:23
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2023-04-20, 19:56
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That's Pähr (Peter) Jönsson and not Gösta Jönsson dead at 2 feb 1736

2023-04-20, 20:02
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Okay, thank you. Will keep looking then for information.  I believe this is his last entry in HE   This time in Bredared.  So confusing as these parishes intertwine. 

2023-04-20, 20:07
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Daughter Anna is married here to Assar Persson not sure of spelling.  Sister Börta and Maria living with them. Maria is my 5th Great Grandmother.

2023-04-20, 20:17
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It is confusing. But Hedared Svensgården seems to be called Hedared Skattegården in the tax records. The people living on both farms are the same. Unfortunately there are gaps in the tax records in the 1730s and 1740s but Gösta Jönsson/Joensson does disappear in that period. Same for the "husförhörsbok" you are reffering to above, there are a "dead" note there. That book is for 1736-1738 so he must have died during those years. He might have been forgotten in the deadbook though, that happened from time to time.

2023-04-20, 20:22
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Does or is the wife ever mentioned in those tax records?  I also am not sure if there are any estate records from that time period.  Peg

2023-04-20, 20:29
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Here is an example of a tax record. The wife´s name is not mentioned, but she is the number 1 in the second box. This tax record is from 1718 and this is where Gösta Jönsson with family first appears in Hedared. The note says "från Tappeboo i Ballebögd", he came from Tappebo in Bollebygd parish, or rather the annex Töllsjö parish. Also, when Maria was born in 1730 one of the witnesses was from the same farm. So lets see where that might take us...
 
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003412_00098#?c=&m=&s=&cv=97&xywh=840%2C1761%2C2741%2C1473
 
On page 205 in the same tax record you will see Gösta Joensson in Tappebo, with a note that he moves to Hedared.
 
Tax record 1712 for Töllsjö, Gösta/Gustaf moves in at Tappebo från Lindahlen, Lindedalen in Bollebygds parish.
 
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003406_00160#?c=&m=&s=&cv=159&xywh=2167%2C1842%2C3352%2C1802 
 
At Lindedalen we will find this note "drängen gift till Tappebo i Töllsiöö sockn", the farmhand married to Tappebo.
 
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003406_00158#?c=&m=&s=&cv=157&xywh=1426%2C1592%2C1939%2C1042

2023-04-20, 20:47
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11 feb 1712, marriage in Bollebygds parish. "drängen Gustaf Jöens. från Lindalen med pig. Botilla Hansdotter i Tappebod"
 
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0043056_00089#?c=&m=&s=&cv=88&xywh=271%2C973%2C3559%2C1913 
 


2023-04-20, 21:08
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Both the daughters Anna and Börta mentioned in the starting post was actually born at Tappebo, in 1712 and 1715. But what about this Älla Pärsdotter, where did her name appear? Did Botilla die and Gösta remarry?
 
And by the way, both Gösta and Botilla can be traced several generations back, but lets take it one step at a time.

2023-04-20, 21:17
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That makes sense,  I believe there was a mis spelled or incomplete named in Maria and her husband's marriage record. There is an interesting marriage recorded 30 June 1754 in the Sandhult marriage records (which in this volume included Hedared marriages).

Sandhult (P) C:2 (1700-1762) Image 20 (AID: v44559.b20, NAD: SE/GLA/13452).

Bengt Jonsson and Maria Giöstasdotter, his parents Jon Bengtsson and Brijta Giöstasdotter, her parents Giösta Jönsson and Älla Pährsdotter. Status/address: farmer people in Swensgården. Both 24 years old.



2023-04-20, 21:33
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Also on her death record parents names at listed as Pär and wife Botila, farmer people in Svensgården  so several errors in her records but since parents were deceased it may not have been recorded properly. 

2023-04-20, 21:46
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I have actually found errors in those records before. I got the impression that if the writer didn't have names, he invented some him self...
 
Botella died 18 July 1735, so Gösta did not remarry. She must have been mother to Maria.

2023-04-20, 21:49
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Awesome I so appreciate your help and know I am on the right track! I have not found exactly when Gösta passed away but now I know when Botella is gone. 

2023-04-20, 21:52
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Take a look at this. It's from a paper that a Töllsjö genealogist group put together:

2023-04-20, 21:55
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Oh you are making me so very happy,  I have tried and tried to work on this family for a couple of years now! 

2023-04-20, 22:32
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Tollered is a village in the parish of Skallsjö, so that's where Botillas father came from. He was a "båtsman", a navy soldier, wich is mentioned when Botilla was born, 6 march 1687 and not 1684 as stated there. I don't know where he ended up, he was probably lost in the war. Botillas mother, Ingeborg Svensdotter, was working as a maid in Tappbo when they married and maybe she was born there. There was a Sven Andersson in Tappbo until 1651, and after that his widow Elin. I have read all the trial court documents for Töllsjö parish and not seen Ingeborg mentioned anywhere, so it's hard to tell. Sven was mentioned a few times though, and Elin Persdotter several times after being a widow, she remained at Tappebo until she died in 1692, 78 years old. And they did have another daughter, Rangella Svensdotter, that my ancestor Sven Jonsson married in 1697, after his first wife died. There are much information on Elin Larsdotter, but I can't really decide if she is mother to Ingeborg or not.
 
Also, there is a lot to say about Gösta Jönsson and his family at Lindalen. It will have to wait until tomorrow though, it's getting late here.

2023-04-21, 07:14
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Ok, Gösta, or Gustaf as he is often called, was born in Lindedalen/Lindalen in Bollebygds parish. He isn't in the church books, but it started in 1682 so he was probably born before that. The writing is kind of sketchy the first years though.
Hes parents was Jöns Stenarsson and Ella Stenarsdotter. According to the tax register they married in 1671. They wrote a will in 1719, where their oldest son, Lars Joensson, got the farm, if his sister, Ingrid Joensdotter, could stay until she got married. Two years later, in 1721, Jöns Stenarsson died, age 85. Ella´s death is not in the book so I'm not sure when that happened.
In 1692, Ella was in a legal battle with her siblings about land, it seems like she was born in Töllsjö parish but I don't know more than that. And I have tried a lot since one of her sisters was my ancestor, but there are no proof.
Jöns though, was born in Lindedalen, around 1636. His father was Stenar Assarsson, but I don't know who his mother was. But maybe she was daughter to Lars, who had the farm before she and Stenar.
Stenar Assarsson and his wife first appears in the sources in 1630. In 1655 he is stated to be over 63 years old, but he still have to pay taxes since he kept on working the farm for several years. Both he and his wife are noted as old in the tax records for the 1660s, and they finally hand over the farm to their sons Lars Stenarsson and Jöns Stenarsson in 1670. If Stenar was 63 in 1655 he must have been at least 78 when he retired. His wife was also still alive at that time. 
There are one legal battle where Stenar is part. In 1667 he lost a goat kid, and it was found in the care of Bengt from Släthult farm. Bengt on the other hand, accused Stenar of secretly milking his cows!

2023-04-21, 15:29
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Thank you so much for the information. So somewhere along the line we are definitely related it appears!  Some of the records are very hard for me to make out though so could have missed it. I love that we have connected and have learned so much more than I did before! Gösta, or Gustaf died sometime between 1736-1738 in the HE attached but have not found his exact death date as of yet.   Was daughter Anna born on 1 Mar 1812? as attached as well.
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2023-04-21, 15:44
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Found this on Ancestry.  Jöns Stenarsson died on 25 Apr 1721 at the age of 86.   Buried on 30 Apr 1721 . 

2023-04-21, 15:54
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Was daughter Anna born on 1 Mar 1812? as attached as well.
No, that's another Anna. This Anna was born in Tappbo, Töllsjö parish, November 9, 1712.
 
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0044080_00062#?c=&m=&s=&cv=61&xywh=-716%2C-476%2C4270%2C2295 
 
Yes, seems like we are related, some 10 generations back  ;D

2023-04-21, 17:06
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Another question for you.  Is Ella's last name the same as her husband's instead Stenarsdotter.  I just found someone on Ancestry have her last name as Andersdotter and her death date as 27 Sep 1721 shown here.  May be an option.  The person also shows daughter Ingrid dying 16 Feb 1727 as shown here.  Are they possibilities?  Peg

2023-04-21, 19:01
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Well, Ingrid Jönsdotter dying 1727 should be the sister that Lars Jönsson promised to house until she married, but she probably never did and remained at Lindalen. Ella Andersdotter dying 1721 is interesting though. It must be the right person, but was her last name Andersdotter or Stenarsdotter? Lets take a look.
 
First is an image from a 1692 legal book. Her name is not mentioned, but her sister Karin is called Stenarsdotter. Maybe they was just half sisters, and had different fathers? Text goes like this:
 
Effter noga förhöör emillan Jöns i Linnedalen
på sin hustrus och hännes sah: systers Karin
Stenarsdotters barns wägnar, och swågeren
Tore i Steenbacka medh flere syskon sampt
Bengt Trulsson i Tåsta, blev omsider resolverat...
 
In english:
After careful examination between Jöns in Linnedalen
on his wifes behalf, and her dead sister Karin
Stenarsdotters childrens behalf, and her brother in law
Tore in Stenbacka with more siblings along with
Bengt Trulsson in Torstad, was eventually resolved...
 
And in 1719 we have this text:
 
Samma dag upwistes et skrefteliget
författadt Testamente, af det gamb-
la ächta folcket Jöns Stenarsson
ock des hustru Ella Stenarsdotter
i Linnedahlen af den 16 Januarij...
 
 English:
 
Same day was shown a written
testamony/will, from the old
couple Jöns Stenarsson
and his wife Ella Stenarsdotter
in Linnedalen, of the 16 of January
 
So I don't know, I suppose they wrote her last name wrong in her death notice?
 
If you have got Arkiv Digital you can find those two legal books with these AID:
 
v405063a.b7560.s103 
v190245.b1750 

2023-04-21, 19:20
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But, on the other hand, what exactly did Bengt Trulsson in Torstad buy from Jöns Stenarssons wife, and her siblings? It doesn't say, other than it was 1/6 mantal, a unit for measuring land. But to buy land they had to do three announcements first, and we find one on the next page in the same legal book. Bengt and Torsten bought 1/6 mantal i Torstad, from deceased Anders Perssson's children. Is this the same land? If so, why wasn't Torsten mentioned before, and why did it cost 60 riksdaler now, and 50 before?

2023-04-21, 19:39
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I think I have done a mistake with this part:
 
Effter noga förhöör emillan Jöns i Linnedalen
på sin hustrus och hännes sah: systers Karin
Stenarsdotters barns wägnar, och swågeren
Tore i Steenbacka medh flere syskon sampt
Bengt Trulsson i Tåsta, blev omsider resolverat...
 
In english:
After careful examination between Jöns in Linnedalen
on his wifes behalf, and her dead sister Karin
Stenarsdotters childrens behalf, and brother in law
Tore in Stenbacka with more siblings along with
Bengt Trulsson in Torstad, was eventually resolved...
 
Tore Stenarsson in Stenbacka is brother in law, not to Jöns's wife, but to himself. Ella is sister to Tore, not his wife. That means she must be a Stenarsdotter. Since Tore Stenarsson is my ancestor I have done much research on him and know that even if he was living at Stenbacka in Björketorps parish, he was acutally born at Torstad in Töllsjö parish. So must Ella Stenarsdotter also be, their parents was Stenar Andersson and Ingeborg Gustafsdotter. Stenar was last in the tax records in 1674, and must have died soon after. Ingeborg died before 1679, since her children fighted over a cooking pot one of them inherited. They had more children, Anna was married to the above mentioned Bengt Trulsson and Anders was living on Torstad and later Bråtared in Björketorps parish. And another son, married to a Karin Mårtensdotter but dead early.
 

2023-04-21, 19:44
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So perhaps her name got written down as Ella Andersdotter because of her father's last name.  I know I have seen a few mistakes along the way like this. 

2023-04-21, 19:51
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2023-04-21, 20:22
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Also curious to see if you can see Ingrid Jönsdotters birth record in 1682 in the birth book if she was 45 at her death in 1727 that would be about her birth year.  Maybe it will mention or confirm mother's last name as well!   Peg

2023-04-21, 21:13
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https://alingsasslaktforskarforening.se/wp-content/uploads/tages/tollsjo.pdf  so on page 380 of 424 may be Anna Jönsdotter and Bengt Trulson as listed above.
That's the paper from the Töllsjö Genealogist group I cited above, I didn't remember where I downloaded it but there it is! They do not tell where the info comes from though, and that is bad in this case. If Bengt Trulsson realy was married to Anna Jönsdotter, it was after he was married to Anna Stenarsdotter. Take a look at this court notice from 1679:
 
Thore Stenarsson i Steenbacka, dhess bro-
der Anders i Stora Bråthare, sampt dheras
broders hustru Karin Mårthensdoter giorde
insprååk emoot deras swåger Bengt Truls-
son i Torsta om een kopparkietell, som dheras
sa: modher Ingebor Gustafs doter, uthan
deras willie hade gifwet och testamenterat
bemelte Bengt Trulsson och hans hustru Anna
Stenars doter...
 
Tore Stenarsson in Stenbacka, his brother
Anders in great Bråtared, and their
brothers wife Karin Mårtensdotter did
protest against their brother in law Bengt Trulsson
in Torstad about a copper cooking pot, that their
deceased mother Ingeborg Gustafsdotter, without
their permission had given to
Bengt Trulsson and his wife Anna
Stenarsdotter...
 
AID: v190241.b2950 

2023-04-21, 21:21
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So is there any indication the Bengt was a widower on this marriage record to Anna Jönsdotter.  If not then perhaps Anna Stenarsdotter died before the year 1681

2023-04-21, 21:25
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I found out what 1/6 land Bengt Trulsson bought from the Stenar-siblings and it was not the same 1/6 he bought from the children after Anders Persson. This 1/6 was bought already in 1683, and was the land inherited from the above mentioned Ingeborg Gustafsdotter, mother to the Stenar-siblings and dead 1679. Land was not sold to the highest bidder at that time, it was sold to the person with closest family connection. So one of the siblings bought the other siblings parts, in this case Anna Stenarsdotter, wife to Bengt Trulsson. One of the sellers was Jöns Stenarsson and his wife Ella Stenarsdotter. The fact that Ella was mentioned means that the land was hers, and not Jönses. So this makes me sure she was daughter to Stenar Andersson and Ingeborg Gustafsdotter in Torstad.
 
AID: v190243.b340
 

2023-04-21, 21:26
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So I noticed something we may need to take a look at.  Bengt Trulson is showing a son Erik who gets married in 1690 so clearly not with this second wife.  Erik must be the son of Anna Stenarsdotter. 

2023-04-21, 21:29
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So is there any indication the Bengt was a widower on this marriage record to Anna Jönsdotter.  If not then perhaps Anna Stenarsdotter died before the year 1681
That's another Bengt in Torstad, marrying Anna Jönsdotter. He was a soldier and Bengt Trulsson was already way to old in 1681 to be a soldier.

2023-04-21, 21:45
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2023-04-21, 21:49
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So Anna Stenarsdotter has to be alive past 1679 when her mother gives her the argued item of interest.  But the handwriting in those early years are hard for me to make out. 

2023-04-21, 22:24
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Yes, she was alive in 1679. And I think Bengt Trulsson is the Bengt that died in June 1698, 68 years old. After that "Bengt's widow" kept on paying taxes until 1710 when she was described as a beggar. No name mentioned though.

2023-04-23, 19:57
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Anna Stenarsson I believe is the mother of Erik Bengtsson as he was born too early for Bengt Trulsson 2nd wife.  Erik married Elin Andersdotter from Mellomgårde, Töllsjö.  They had 3 sons that I have found.  Anders born Oct 1693, Bengt born Oct 1696 and Bryngel born 26 Nov 1700.  I did not find them any further.  I was hoping if we could find Erik's death record it could confirm that Anna was his mother.  Perhaps you have a different way to find them.

2023-04-23, 20:39
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There is a note in the 1703 tax records for Erik in Mellomgärde "afflött till Giäsene härad", moved to Gäsene county. Gäsene contains a lot of parishes so he will not be easy to find

2023-04-24, 17:22
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Possibly Anders Stenarsson death record if he was indeed in Bråtegard Storegård, Björketorp. 21 May 1690 at 64 years of age born in 1626. Björketorp church archive, Birth and baptism books, SE/GLA/13033/C/1 (1681-1743), image id: C0043021_00030
Just a thought. Also siblings are Tore, Lars, Anna, and Ella? 

2023-04-27, 17:39
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