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Författare Ämne: Kånna Sockenstuga  (läst 281 gånger)

2023-01-19, 20:33
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Utloggad Victoria Cihla

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Can someone live at Kånna Sockenstuga?  An ancestor's sibling was listed there in the household records off and on throughout the 1790's until her death in 1827  The research I've done refers to a Sockenstugan as a meeting place or administrative building so i'm not sure if this person could have actually lived there.

Can anyone enlighten me on this?

Thanks!

Vicki

2023-01-20, 16:55
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Maybe it means a home for the poor, sick or elderly, taken care of by the parish?
Otherwise your translation is OK, but that is my guess.
I haven' t found it in the household record, so I can't see if she lives there alone.


2023-01-20, 17:39
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Thanks for your response!  That is what I was wondering but have not ever seen it before.  It is my ancestor's sister, Karin Jönsdotter, who is listed there.  She was born 30 Apr 1756 and died 14 Nov 1827.  These the household records where she is listed - each time at the bottom of the page:

Here she is at Kånna Skattegård Soldat Torpet which shows she when to Sockenstugan.
Kånna (G) AI:1 (1794-1810) Image 135 / Page 253 (AID: v18707.b135.s253, NAD: SE/VALA/00202) (https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v18707?image=135&page=253)

Here she is at Kånna Sockenstugan - she is listed twice, first and last entries):   She was poor and sick I think.
Kånna (G) AI:2 (1811-1820) Image 55 / Page 95 (AID: v18708.b55.s95, NAD: SE/VALA/00202)   (https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v18708?image=55&page=95)

Here she is at Kånna Högarna (middle of page), not sure what note says.
 Kånna (G) AI:2 (1811-1820) Image 52 / Page 89 (AID: v18708.b52.s89, NAD: SE/VALA/00202)  (https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v18708?image=52&page=89)

Here she is at Kånna Sockenstugan where it is noted that she died in 1827 at bottom of page:
Ljungby (G) AI:4 (1821-1831) Image 190 / Page 179 (AID: v18856.b190.s179, NAD: SE/VALA/00229)  (https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v18856?image=190&page=179)

It appears that she was living there off and on and the order is a bit confusing, so any further understanding of these records would be very much appreciated!

Thanks,

Vicki Cihla


2023-01-20, 22:51
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Hi again Vicki. Some thoughts on your question:
In the first entry (AI:1 page 253) Karin has not been noted as examinated, just that she moves from the soldier's croft under Kånna Skattegård to sockenstugan in 1810 (page 287). It does not say how long she has lived there.
In AI:2 page 95, she is examined in 1811 and listed as moved to Högarna in 1812. In Högarna (page 89) she is examined only in 1812, and listed as allmosehjon, i.e. she is poor, cannot support her self but lives on gifts probably from the community, and is sometimes placed in other peoples home for a while, and then moved back to the "poor house" - fattigstugan, sockenstugan (the name can vary in different places). 1813 she is back in sockenstugan (page 95 again) and is examined through 1820.
In Ljungby AI:4 (which contains the Kånna book too) page 179 she is still listed from 1821, and dies there.

I note that she is described as a widow - have you found out anything on her marriage?

Something that could be worth following is a birth note: A child Jöns was born in 1783 baptized Feb 2. Father Per Erlandsson, mother Karin Jons- or Jönsdotter? in Lunnarpstorps stuga. One of the witnesses is Sten Jönsson in Lunnarp.

Kånna (G) C:1 (1743-1815) Bild 46 / sid 83 (AID: v30538.b46.s83, NAD: SE/VALA/00202)

Happy hunting,
Yvonne

2023-01-20, 23:14
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Hmm - The child died 3 years later - the entry is made in Ljungby although the place of death is Lunnarp's torp:

Ljungby (G) C:1 (1752-1815) Bild 111 / sid 201 (AID: v30488.b111.s201, NAD: SE/VALA/00229)

2023-01-20, 23:19
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Thank you so much, Yvonne.  i am sitting here trying to explain everything coherently!  so now, let's start from there....

No, I have found no (credible) record of a marriage for her.  I will follow up on your note.

I wondered about the birth of a child called Stina Karinsdotter born 1787-06-28 in Kånna Sockenstuga to a mother named Karin Andersdotter.  Was this the correct surname?  The first baptismal witness is Jöns Jönsson from Kånna Lunnarp.  Was he Karin's brother? Jöns Jönsson who died 1830-06-06 at Kånna Lunnarp at age 57 - who would have been born in Ljungby before the family moved to Kånna?  Naming pattern makes sense.

Looking at this Jöns Jönsson's children, I notice that Karin Jonasdotter in Kånna is a witness for the birth of his daughter Sara in 1788 (the wife of his brother Sten Jönsson who married Karin Jonasdotter in 1787).  I also noticed that Jöns Jönsson in Kånna  was a witness at the baptism of Sten Jönsson's daughter Brita b. 13 Oct 1792 at Arfvidsgård, Kånna. There is also a pigan Karin listed among the witnesses also - I can't read where she is from so it may not be the Karin we are discussing - can you read it?   

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Kånna (G) C:1 (1743-1815) Image 57 / Page 105 (AID: v30538.b57.s105, NAD: SE/VALA/00202)

I see you have sent more so I'll send this anyway!  As usual you are WAY ahead of me!   :)

Will you take a look? Maybe you have found it already!

Thanks so much! 

Vicki






2023-01-20, 23:27
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Forget to mention that Stina Karinsdotter died 1787-10-07 at Kånna Sockenstugan. 

Vicki

2023-01-20, 23:42
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Hi again Yvonne,

Regarding the child Jöns Persson born to Per Erlandsson and Karin Jönsdotter - another of the witnesses is Ingrid Svensdotter (the wife of Jöns Jönsson of Lunnarp) so both of her brothers are there.  I still can't find a marriage record, have you?

Vicki

2023-01-20, 23:52
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The place is "derstädes", i.e. in the same place (Kånna)

No I have not found a marriage record - yet.  Could Per Erlandsson have become a soldier maybe and listed under another name?
I think Karin Andersdotter is another person. The child might have been called Karinsdotter as Karin was unmarried and the name of the father was unknown, that happens.
/Yvonne

2023-01-21, 00:03
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That's true, I thought it was strange that Jöns Jönsson from Lunarp was a baptismal witness and that he also appears to be connected to Sten Jönsson.  :)  I have not found a death record for Per Erlandsson that fits the timeframe or that place. The soldier name is very possible, but don't see anything obvious for that, yet anyway. 

Do you think the Jöns Jönsson b. ca 1746 (who died in Lunarp)  is likely a brother of Stens Jönsson and Karin Jönsdotter?

Hopefully I got some of it right... :)

Thanks!

Vicki

2023-01-21, 00:10
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I think maybe the guardianship case (if there is one) will tell me if there were any children born between 1745-1750 in Ljungby.  The oldest child would have been only 17 years old.  If the last parent died in 1762 would a case have been drawn up right away?  Would I start looking there?   I'm not at all what books I should be looking in, etc.

Thanks much for all the help!

Vicki

2023-01-21, 17:30
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Yvonne and all,

I agree that Jöns is the child of Karin Jönsdotter and Per Erlandsson, but I still don't find anything for marriage or a death record for him.  I checked the tax records and soldier register but have found nothing to fit. 

I really would like to see if I can find a guardianship record for the two children, Sten age 10 and Karin age 6, and am happy to try my luck at searching through the court records, but can anyone help me out with what book(s) in would start my search in?

The parents of the children are:
        * Jöns Jönsson died 13 Mar 1762 Kånna Knutsgård, Kånna, Kronoberg
        * Brithe Stensdotter died 12 Dec 1761 Kånna Knutsgård, Kånna, Kronoberg

I would like to start my search right after the death of Jöns Jönsson in March 1762.  Any suggestions/pointers would be very helpful.

Thanks very much,

Vicki

2023-01-21, 18:00
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Hello again,
I have not found anything more of interest regarding Per and/or Karin. She must have been somewhere between 1786 and 1810...
As regards the children the older one would probably have been considered old enough to become a farm hand and started to work to support himself - maybe with a relative or even one of the godparents/witnesses at baptism. That is what they were there for too. The girl was so young so she could have been placed with godparents, neighbours or other parish members as a fosterchild before starting to work as early as possible.
I'm not sure that was always noted in any books - if so maybe in the sockenstämmoprotokoll (notes from parish meetings) or maybe some financial help being paid out and noted in the church accounts. Those books do not seem to be available digitally for these parishes unfortunately.
Perhaps someone else could let us know more of such a proceedure?
/ Yvonne

2023-01-21, 18:16
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Thanks, Yvonne.

This is very helpful information.  I hadn't come across this before and had no idea where to start.  I've already looked into the close relatives but there is not much information available in the 1760's.  That's fine.  At least I know what happened to his sister and learned more in the process.

Thanks again for all the help!

Vicki

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