Trying to see where he goes next

[Carol Kemp]

I cannot understand where Johan Magnus Magnusson, 13 Nov 1863 Aker, goes in 1920.  What does this notation mean?  I have searched the moving out records but cannot find him.

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00106902_00201


Thanks, Carol

[Kalle Birgersson]

"Obef." is a register of "obefintliga", people that are gone without telling anyone. I can't find him anywhere with Arkiv Digital' search tool so he might have left the country, possibly for America.

[Maud Mårtensson]

In Johan Magnus father's estate inventory dated 31 August 1907 it is said that Johan Magnus is living in Copenhagen.

And in Copenhagen he can be found for instance here:

Census 1906, FamilySearch, https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:QLXW-J1BQ.
Census 1911, https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WW-ZLXZ.
Census 1916, https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CZ-52FY.

Johan Magnus died 17 April 1916 in Fulsom Herred, Denmark. Københavns Stadsarkiv, https://kbharkiv.dk/brug-samlingerne/soeg-i-indtastede-kilder/post/1-445802.

[Carol Kemp]

Thanks for your help; however, I don't believe that this is the correct Johan Magnusson living in Copenhagen.  If the last household record lists him as moving in 1920, then he could not have died in 1916.  Carol

[Leif Lundkvist]

No, the last record don't mean that he was known up to that date. In fact he could have been missing for years, and the last record just say that he was no more registered in Asarum. Thus if other facts don't contradict him living in Copenhagen and dead there, it could really be correct.

[Carol Kemp]

OK.  However, the 1910 Census has him living in Asarum as an unmarried man.  The records from Denmark show him as living in Denmark before 1910 and as a married man.  So I do not think it's the same man.  There are also some some notations on the last household record with dates of 1915 (which I don't understand).  I'm not sure what Maud was referring to when she wrote about his father's estate.

[Kristina Rylander]

He is noted as "obefintl" (missing) already in 1902 according to
Asarum (K) AIIa:2 (1895-1904) Bild 1070 / sid 503 (AID: v235080.b1070.s503, NAD: SE/LLA/13008)
Asarum (K) AIIa:7 (1904-1912) Bild 1480 / sid 543 (AID: v235085.b1480.s543, NAD: SE/LLA/13008)

Sorry I don't have the page numbers in the corresponding books from SVAR. But you can see it in the notes column if you have them.

So I do believe he left Asarum without notifying, and the priest just transferred him to the following books... and then in 1920 he was transferred to "obefintliga"... I guess noone knew he died in 1916.


There is no notation in Asarum (K) AI:29 (1885-1895) Bild 320 / sid 314 (AID: v95375.b320.s314, NAD: SE/LLA/13008), but he could have left earlier. The Denmark 1906 census states he came from Sweden already in 1891 if correct.

[Kalle Birgersson]

I'm also curious about his fathers estate inventory, since he (and his twin sister) were born out of wedlock and no father was mentioned in the birth notice. But, since he got that last name his father must have been revealed at some later point

[Kristina Rylander]

Boupp: Östbo häradsrätt (F) FII:30 (1906-1908) Bild 5250 / sid 52 (AID: v497383.b5250.s52, NAD: SE/VALA/01651)

His mother married Jonas Magnus in 1864, Värnamo (F) AI:8 (1877-1881) Bild 48 / sid 42 (AID: v22676.b48.s42, NAD: SE/VALA/00441).

[Carol Kemp]

In the Varnamo household records of 1882-1891, it lists Jonas Magnus Andreasson, 24 May 1832, as married to Inga Kristina Johannisdotter, 14 Jan 1836, (my great-grandaunt).  There are four children also.  Johan Magnus and his twin sister are there and are not listed as born out-of-wedlock.  So I am assuming that he is the father as they married in 1864, one year after the twins were born.  I am still wondering why he is in the 1910 Census for Asarum.  This is very confusing to me.  I will try to find the estate records.  Carol
P.S.  Thank you to all the people who are replying.

[Kristina Rylander]

Just the first part...

[Sven Andersson]

Carol,
The Swedish  censuses are not real censuses where census takers go around interviewing and registering people. They just show the status of the household records on 31 Dec of the census year. If there is an error in the household records, like if someone has left without notifying the priest, this error will be copied into the "census".

[Carol Kemp]

Kristina,


Thanks again.  When I go to Riksarkivet for the estate records, they only go to 1860 for Ostbo (unless I am looking in the wrong place).


Sven,


Oh, me!  I learn something new everyday.  And I thought the Swedes were perfect record keepers:)




Carol

[Kristina Rylander]

Yes, if you would like a copy of the estate inventory you have to  make a request for it here:
https://bestall.riksarkivet.se/sv/bouppteckning-till1979


Arkiv digital have until 1947 for Östbo but its not free as SVAR, but maybe you know this 

[Kristina Rylander]

On 2nd thought...not sure if you can order if outside of Sweden...I would sen an email to kundtjanst@riksarkivet.se and ask first.

[Carol Kemp]

Kristina,


Thanks.  It looks like I can order it; however, it cost 4K per page plus shipping.  I will skip it.  I am already paying for ancestry so don't want to spend more on Arkiv.


Thanks for all your help.


Carol

[Maud Mårtensson]

Register card for Johan Magnus Magnusson with adresses he had lived at in Copenhagen. Note that he is said to be born i Aakes, Sweden. Aa in Danish is the same as Å in Swedish. Københavns Stadsarkiv, https://kbharkiv.dk/brug-samlingerne/soeg-i-indtastede-kilder/post/17-1585547.

Johan Magnus did not get married until 12 May 1907, which explains why his (future) wife has Nielsen as surname 1906. Rigsarkivet, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118227#155566,25994712.

[Carol Kemp]

Thanks, Maud.  I never would have found him without everyone’s work.  This forum is so helpful for those of us in the States with Swedish ancestors, of which I have many.  Carol