ssf logo blue Rötter - din källa för släktforskning driven av Sveriges Släktforskarförbund
ssf logo blue Rötter - din källa för släktforskning

Choose language:
Anbytarforum

Innehållet i inläggen på Anbytarforum omfattas inte av utgivningsbeviset för rotter.se

Författare Ämne: Holmgren Family in Hummelholm  (läst 627 gånger)

2022-02-20, 05:07
läst 627 gånger

Utloggad Samuel Holmgren

  • Anbytare *
  • Antal inlägg: 5
  • Senast inloggad: 2022-03-10, 15:23
    • Visa profil
Hello,

My 2nd Great Grandfather was Anders August Holmgren born October 11th, 1866 in Ledåberg, Lycksele. His Grandfather was Johan Holmgren born in Hummelholm in 1807. I'm trying to find more information about the family, as well as to get in contact with any distant cousins who are also related.

I heard about a book that mentions the Holmgren family in Hummelholm, written by Tyko Lundkvist. I can't seem to find any information on it though.

Thanks,
Samuel

2022-02-20, 12:31
Svar #1

Utloggad Staffan Bergh

  • Anbytare *****
  • Antal inlägg: 2951
  • Senast inloggad: 2024-03-26, 07:37
  • aka festerman
    • Visa profil
    • BFiles
Hello, and welcome!

Can you share your source to why you think Anders August Gustav's paternal grandfather was a Johan Holmgren from Hummelholm?

Anders August was born on October 11, 1866, probably at the home of his maternal grandparents Anders Gustaf Andersson and Maja Brita Ersdotter in Luståker, Bjurholm[1, 2]. At the time, his mother, Eva Margareta, was a "piga" (maid) at Ledåberg in Lycksele, but the birth note in Lyckseles books notes that they have had a note from the pastor in Bjurholm that Anders August has been baptized the 14th -- and all the witnesses are from Bjurholm, and the distance between Luståker and Ledåberg is about 100 km (60 miles) ... so it looks very much like Eva Margareta went home to give birth.

There is no notice of who his father is.

There are indeed two Johan born 1807 in Hummelholm, Nordmaling:
* 1807-09-02, the son of Jacob Johansson and Brita Kajsa Olsdotter[4] -- if you track him forward, he marries in 1843, dies in 1848, does not use the name Holmgren[5].
* 1807-11-05, the son of Nathanael Andersson and Anna Jacobsdotter[6] -- he marries Helena Rönsten in Agnäs, Bjurholm in 1834[7], takes the name Holmgren, and has several sons.

The first time the name Holmgren is noted with Anders August is over 10 years after his birth[3], probably when he is admitted to holy communion around 1882 (about 16 years old), or maybe when he takes out papers to move to Nordmaling in 1883. If his father was unknown, that would have been a good time for him to invent a last name -- and Holmgren was invented many times in Sweden in the late 19th century ...

It's possible (or even probable) that someone has over-interpreted the name likeness ...

Tyko Lundkvist was an amateur genealogist, and wrote many books. His notes, including name indexes to books and research, are kept at Landsarkivet in Härnösand.

PS: I've also asked the moderators to move this post to a more suitable category ...

--

[1] Lycksele (AC) C:5 (1862-1890) Bild 56 / Sida 50 (AID: v139344a.b56.s50, NAD: SE/HLA/1010118)
[2] Bjurholm (AC) AI:7a (1865-1874) Bild 128 / Sida 119 (AID: v139003.b128.s119, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
[3] Bjurholm (AC) AI:9a (1876-1886) Bild 190 / Sida 192 (AID: v139008.b190.s192, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
[4] Nordmaling (AC, Y) C:3 (1789-1809) Bild 106 / Fol 101r (AID: v139683.b106.s101, NAD: SE/HLA/1010141)
[5] Nordmaling (AC, Y) AI:11a (1843-1852) Bild 176 / Sida 169 (AID: v139507.b176.s169, NAD: SE/HLA/1010141)
[6] Nordmaling (AC, Y) C:3 (1789-1809) Bild 109 / Fol 103v (AID: v139683.b109.s104, NAD: SE/HLA/1010141)
[7] Bjurholm (AC) C:2 (1830-1848) Bild 7 / Sida 4 (AID: v139020.b7.s5, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
mvh /staffan -- BFiles

2022-02-20, 14:39
Svar #2

Utloggad Staffan Bergh

  • Anbytare *****
  • Antal inlägg: 2951
  • Senast inloggad: 2024-03-26, 07:37
  • aka festerman
    • Visa profil
    • BFiles
Johan Holmgren has 3 sons -- is anyone of them in Lycksele early January, 1866, when Anders August was conceived?

* Johannes, b 1845-08-14[1] -- goes to Stockholm in 1858, is still there in 1866[2]
* Erik, b 1847-06-22[3] -- can be tracked in Bjurholm until he goes to sea in 1868[4,5]
* Anders, b 1839-12-01[6] -- moves to Umeå in 1855 to be a coppersmith[7]. In 1863 he apparently goes on his journeyman years[8], and does not turn up in the church records until 1868, when he comes back to Bjurholm[9] -- it's noted that he's come from Nordmaling. There's a note that he is living in Lycksele -- but there is no indication that that is before 1868. There is also evidence that he is the father of a daughter born 1868-03-12[9, 10, 11]. His brother Eric is a witness at her christening.

Anders is indeed a possible father -- he may have been in Lycksele in 1866. But he does not seem to hesitate to admit to being the father of a child conceived out of wedlock, and the name is unfortunately not proof.

---

[1] Bjurholm (AC) C:2 (1830-1848) Bild 7 / Sida 4 (AID: v139020.b7.s5, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
[2] Jakob och Johannes (A, AB) AIa:84 (1866) Bild 214 / Sida 205 (AID: v86186.b214.s205, NAD: SE/SSA/0008)
[3] Bjurholm (AC) C:2 (1830-1848) Bild 134 / Sida 254 (AID: v139020.b134.s255, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
[4] Bjurholm (AC) AI:7a (1865-1874) Bild 151 / Sida 142 (AID: v139003.b151.s142, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
[5] Bjurholm (AC) AI:7b (1865-1875) Bild 43 / Sida 259 (AID: v139004.b43.s259, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013
[6] Bjurholm (AC) C:2 (1830-1848) Bild 83 / Sida 152 (AID: v139020.b83.s153, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
[7] Umeå stadsförsamling (AC) AI:11a (1853-1859) Bild 179 / Sida 175 (AID: v139936.b179.s175, NAD: SE/HLA/1010220)
[8] Umeå stadsförsamling (AC) AI:12a (1860-1866) Bild 303 / Sida 289 (AID: v139938.b303.s289, NAD: SE/HLA/1010220)
[9] Bjurholm (AC) AI:7a (1865-1874) Bild 162 / Sida 153 (AID: v139003.b162.s153, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
[10] Bjurholm (AC) AI:7a (1865-1874) Bild 204 / Sida 195 (AID: v139003.b204.s195, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
[11] Bjurholm (AC) C:4 (1862-1895) Bild 38 / Sida 32 (AID: v139022.b38.s32, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013)
mvh /staffan -- BFiles

2022-02-20, 16:22
Svar #3

Utloggad Samuel Holmgren

  • Anbytare *
  • Antal inlägg: 5
  • Senast inloggad: 2022-03-10, 15:23
    • Visa profil
Hello, Staffan!

I really appreciate your detailed response. Lots of information in your message. That's more than what I have found in a few years here!

First, I noticed you called him Anders Gustav, and not August. Maybe August was just his American version?

Secondly, I should have mentioned that he was born out of wedlock, and that while there are no records proving that Anders Holmgren (1839-1889) was his father, all of the fingers are pointing at him. When August Gustav (1866) immigrated to the US, he lists his father as "Anders Holmgren". Last I checked with a Swedish genealogist, they mentioned that there could have only been one Anders Holmgren in that area, who could have been his father. It was mentioned that he visited Bjurholm often, where Eva Margareta Andersdotter worked as a maid. You'll notice in August Gustav's baptism, that Erik Holmgren (Anders Holmgren's brother) was also a witness there.

From what I gathered, and which I understand might not be accurate, is that Anders Holmgren had a lot of children with different women.

Let me know what your thoughts are.

How were you able to find so much information on them moving around? Like, how Anders Gustav was born in his mother's home in Bjurholm? I must have misunderstood that he was born in Ledåberg.

My apologies for posting in the wrong category. I just created an account and didn't know where to start.

I really appreciate your help, and I hope we can continue to discuss and uncover this. It has been a mystery for my family for a long time. Living in the US, we know very little about what went on in the Homeland :)

Thanks,
Samuel

2022-02-20, 17:21
Svar #4

Utloggad Staffan Bergh

  • Anbytare *****
  • Antal inlägg: 2951
  • Senast inloggad: 2024-03-26, 07:37
  • aka festerman
    • Visa profil
    • BFiles
Cr*p, I made a lot of mistakes, I see now ... :-[

His name is Anders August, and nothing else. I managed to get confused by his maternal grandfathter (corrected now ...). And I did see the witnesses at his christening, but missed that one of them was a Holmgren ... Indeed that is strong evidence that Anders Holmgren is his father. I haven't found him registered anywhere between 1863 and 1868. There is in fact two other Anders Holmgrens in Lycksele in 1866 (both called Anders Bernhard -- father and son) but they are both married and living with their families (and the older is over 65 years at the time ...).

Anders Augusts birth notice is probably in Lyckseles books because his mother was registered there: it is book-keeping. The note that he was baptized in Bjurholm, and the fact that all the witnesses were from Bjurholm, suggests that the actual birth happened in Bjurholm. Also Eva Margareta takes out papers to move back to Bjurholm 1867-01-11[1], which is outside of the ordinary (contract-times usually ran a year from November). She only hands them in to the priest in Bjurholm in October 1867[2]. The explanation that makes most sense is that she had to break her contract in Ledåberg, since she got pregnant; she went home to her parents, and gave birth to Anders August. In January she got papers on her, and the kids, moving out from Lycksele, but it was not until October the same year she was able to go out and work again, and had to set the record straight. It's not unlikely her daughter, born 1864, was living with her grandparents all the time, her birth notice looks the same as Anders Augusts: baptized in Bjurholm, all the witnesses in Bjurholm[3] (no Holmgrens ...).
 
--

[1] Lycksele (AC) BI:2 (1857-1882) Bild 96 / Sida 183 (AID: v139337.b96.s183, NAD: SE/HLA/1010118), #5/1867
[2] Bjurholm (AC) B:1 (1847-1878) Bild 47 (AID: v139016.b47, NAD: SE/HLA/1010013), #15/1867
[3] Lycksele (AC) C:5 (1862-1890) Bild 19 / Sida 13 (AID: v139344a.b19.s13, NAD: SE/HLA/1010118)]
mvh /staffan -- BFiles

2022-02-20, 18:28
Svar #5

Utloggad Staffan Bergh

  • Anbytare *****
  • Antal inlägg: 2951
  • Senast inloggad: 2024-03-26, 07:37
  • aka festerman
    • Visa profil
    • BFiles
Johan Natanaelsson, b 1807-11-05 in Hummelholm, Nordmaling, who later took the name Holmgren, was one of 15 siblings -- 5 died young, but they were still 10 siblings alive in 1835, when their father died.

Helena, b 1790
Anders, b 1792, d 1799
Jakob, b 1794, d 1799
Anna Greta, b 1795
Natanael, b 1797
Maria, b 1798
Johannes, b 1801, d 1805
Nils Petter, b 1802
Katarina, b 1803
Dordi Magdalena, b 1804
Olof, b 1806
Lovisa, b 1809, d 1809
Ulrika, b 1809, d 1809
Jakob, b 1810
 
Plenty of potential for distant cousins :) ... and also for a direct male descendant to Johan Holmgrens father.

If (as I guess from your name?) you're a direct descendant of Anders August, that could be used to confirm by comparing to your Y-DNA, that Anders Holmgren is indeed the father of Anders August. Both of Anders' brothers seem to go missing, Erik in 1868 when he becames a sailor, and Johannes/Johan in Stockholm round 1874 (although I haven't really looked that hard for them ...), and Anders himself only has daughters, that we have records for.

--

Nordmaling (AC, Y) AI:7 (1806-1816) Bild 273 / Sida 265 (AID: v139499.b273.s265, NAD: SE/HLA/1010141), or the same page at Riksarkivet: C0034198_00298
Nordmalings och Bjurholms tingslags häradsrätt (AC) FII:5 (1828-1839) Bild 5770 / Sida 133 (AID: v153116.b5770.s133, NAD: SE/HLA/1040116)
mvh /staffan -- BFiles

2022-02-20, 21:24
Svar #6

Utloggad Samuel Holmgren

  • Anbytare *
  • Antal inlägg: 5
  • Senast inloggad: 2022-03-10, 15:23
    • Visa profil
Hello again, Staffan!

Thanks again for your message! I think we are making some progress here.


No problem, we cleared it up! This is very interesting. Yes, I am a direct descendant. I have been thinking of taking a DNA test, but how would it confirm that Anders is the father to Anders August since there are no samples from them?

You mentioned Eva Margareta Andersdotter's home was in Luståker? Is that a farm/area? I wonder if it is still there, and/or if there are cousins still living there. I find it difficult to locate now living cousins today in Sweden. Perhaps you have suggestions on where to look. I'm planning a trip there soon, and would love to make contact prior to!

I wonder why Johan (1807) took the name Holmgren. I'm also trying to find more out about Hummelholm, as it seems very rural.

Lastly, did Eva Margareta Andersdotter move to and die in Nordmaling? I'm searching for grave stones.

I'm attaching a photo of Anders August taken in 1894. You can tell he has that Northern Swedish look  ;)

I look forward to your response.

Thanks,
Samuel



2022-02-20, 21:27
Svar #7

Utloggad Samuel Holmgren

  • Anbytare *
  • Antal inlägg: 5
  • Senast inloggad: 2022-03-10, 15:23
    • Visa profil
Hello again, Staffan!

Thanks again for your message! I think we are making some progress here.


No problem, we cleared it up! This is very interesting. Yes, I am a direct descendant. I have been thinking of taking a DNA test, but how would it confirm that Anders is the father to Anders August since there are no samples from them?

You mentioned Eva Margareta Andersdotter's home was in Luståker? Is that a farm/area? I wonder if it is still there, and/or if there are cousins still living there. I find it difficult to locate now living cousins today in Sweden. Perhaps you have suggestions on where to look. I'm planning a trip there soon, and would love to make contact prior to!

I wonder why Johan (1807) took the name Holmgren. I'm also trying to find more out about Hummelholm, as it seems very rural.

Lastly, did Eva Margareta Andersdotter move to and die in Nordmaling? I'm searching for grave stones.

I'm attaching a photo of Anders August taken in 1894. You can tell he has that Northern Swedish look  ;)

I look forward to your response.

Thanks,
Samuel



2022-02-21, 22:31
Svar #8

Utloggad Staffan Bergh

  • Anbytare *****
  • Antal inlägg: 2951
  • Senast inloggad: 2024-03-26, 07:37
  • aka festerman
    • Visa profil
    • BFiles
Answers to some of the questions -- I'll have a look at Eva Margareta in the next few days ...
 
Citera
/.../ taking a DNA test, but how would it confirm that Anders is the father to Anders August since there are no samples from them? /.../

A Y-DNA test -- the Y chromosome is passed from father to son, unchanged. So, under the hypothesis that the coppersmith journeyman Anders Holmgren fathered Anders August, and given that you are a direct male descendant of Anders August, you have a Y chromosome that is identical to the one Anders got from his father Johan Nathanaelsson Holmgren, who in his turn inherited it from Nathanael Andersson. And anyone that is a direct male descendant from one of Johan Holmgrens brothers will also have a copy of the same Y chromosome. More info: Genealogical DNA test @ Wikipedia.

Citera
/.../ home was in Luståker? Is that a farm/area?

Luståker was, it appears, a small farm, settled only just around the time Eva Margareta was born. There are still houses there, but it's difficult to tell from satellite images if they are used as summer houses, or year round. But the land is still owned by a direct descendant of Anders  Gustav Andersson, Eva Margaretas father, one of your distant cousins -- and they live not far from there. I'll send a PM to you with an address, after I have checked some things.

Citera
I wonder why Johan (1807) took the name Holmgren.

Because he wanted a name? :) It was fairly common in the area that people had what we today call last names -- his father-in-law used the name Rönsten, for instance. Maybe this is a sign of flux in the population -- settlers moving in -- and in contrast to more "traditional" areas, where patronymic names was the rule. At least, that is the feeling I get when looking at the church books. Name laws at the time allowed anyone to just declare that they wanted to be called something/anything (almost). Quite commonly the name taken had some sort of connection to their history, or where they came from -- the name "Holmgren" may in part refer to Hummelholm, but we will probably never know.

Citera
I'm also trying to find more out about Hummelholm, as it seems very rural.

Part of Hummelholm is a nature reserve now -- and the village has a home page: http://hummelholm.se/. It's almost all in Swedish -- you'll have to use Google Translate on it ...
mvh /staffan -- BFiles

2022-02-22, 15:08
Svar #9

Utloggad Samuel Holmgren

  • Anbytare *
  • Antal inlägg: 5
  • Senast inloggad: 2022-03-10, 15:23
    • Visa profil
Hello, Staffan!

Thank you very much. I really appreciate all that you're doing.

Regarding the DNA Y chromosome test, that's a good idea. I should look into doing that soon. I bet I could find a lot of information through taking it.

LUSTÅKER:
That's fascinating. So, it's quite possible that if the original farm house is still there, that could have been the one that Anders August was born in? I look forward to your PM. I am planning a trip to Sweden in June, and I'd love to visit some of these areas while I am there. Including Luståker and Hummelholm.

The Holmgren name must remain a mystery I suppose :o

Let me know what additional information you find on Eva Margaretta Andersdotter.

Thank you,

Samuel Holmgren




2022-02-26, 15:28
Svar #10

Utloggad Staffan Bergh

  • Anbytare *****
  • Antal inlägg: 2951
  • Senast inloggad: 2024-03-26, 07:37
  • aka festerman
    • Visa profil
    • BFiles
After Anders Augusts birth in 1866, Eva Margareta lived with her father and step-mother until 1877, when she moved to Nordmaling. The kids stayed with grandfather.

1877-07-22 she married Mats Olsson, son of a crofter in Örsbäck, Nordmaling.

Over the next 7 years they had 4 children.

In 1898 Mats and Eva Margareta moved to Håknäs. In 1904 Mats died, and 1907-05-05 so did Eva Margareta. She was buried 1907-05-12. As far as I can work out, the grave plot has been reused.

The children use the last name Bäckström (as does their father in his later years):

Hilda Albertina, b 1877-12-31, m 1907-06-30 in Nordmaling to Adolf Jakobsson. In 1920 they are running a hotel in Nordmaling. Adolf d 1934-0426. Hilda Albertina d 1954-09-05 in Nordmaling. They had no children.

Ida Margareta, b 1879-08-07, never married, d 1961-06-20 in Nordmaling.

Johan Arvid, b 1881-01-21, moves to Stockholm 1907, m 1913-12-21 to Albertina Eugenia Johansson, has one daughter; d 1933-03-12 in Stockholm.

Nanny Helena, b 1884-05-27, m 1907-09-29 in Nordmaling to Anton Ferdinand Vikman. They have 5 children. Anton Fredrik dies 1945, and Nanny Helena 1965-09-24, both in Arnäs.

Sources: church books, Rotemanssarkivet.
mvh /staffan -- BFiles

Innehållet i inläggen på Anbytarforum omfattas inte av utgivningsbeviset för rotter.se


Annonser




Marknaden

elgenstierna utan-bakgrund 270pxKöp och Sälj

Här kan du köpa eller sälja vidare böcker och andra produkter som är släktforskaren till hjälp.

Se de senast inlagda annonserna