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Författare Ämne: Swedish passenger list or Navy assignment?  (läst 435 gånger)

2021-02-15, 19:55
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I am trying to figure out how and when my grandfather left Sweden. I have information on him getting to San Francisco from Australia in 1910 as a passenger but how and when did he leave for NSW Australia from Sweden?

Carl Martin Brandelius b 18 Aug 1884 was in Skovde 31 Dec 1906 then in NSW Australia in 1908.

The last record I have of him in Sweden is living with his uncle/guardian Carl Adolf Bernhard Brandelius from 1906 to at least 31 Dec 1906 in Sköfde, Skaraborg, Tomt 78 then at some unrecorded date they moved to .... ?? (highlights in pic). It shows he became a Styrman, 225 227/1905 so perhaps he left as a sailor?

Also, I cannot find a photo of him in uniform, any advice? Thank you!!
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daughter of Pierre son of Carl son of BJG son of JC son of Lars son of CJ son of Algot Brandelius.

2021-02-15, 21:17
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He was moved 1910 to the New Book page 959, Skövde stadsförsamling (R) AIIa:9 (1910-1924) Bild 165 / sid 959 (AID: v114301.b165.s959, NAD: SE/GLA/13489). 1913 he was moved to "Bok över obefintliga", where people were placed when they were not present in the parish and they did not know where they had moved. That could have happened any time between 1907 and 1913, as he moved without tell where he went. He was for sure a sailor, thus away sometimes.

2021-02-15, 21:54
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Please note that the above referenced listing in the books, as you know, states his profession as "styrman", ~chief mate/first office and it also states that he was enlisted in the navy with registration nr: 225 207/1905.
For sailors there was an institution called "sjömanshus" were sailors registered. Some of their records are available on line but I don't know if it is true in your case.

2021-02-15, 22:36
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Here he is at an earlier time.

Namn: CARL MARTIN BRANDELIUS
Födelsetid: 1884
Föddförsaml: RAMSBERG     Län: T
Hemförsaml: MO ANNEX     Län:
Yrke/Titel: JUNGMAN  Sjömanshus: GÖTEBORG
Fartyg: ALBATROS     Typ: SKEPP
Hamn: EAST LONDON  Land: SYDAFRIKA  Landskod: ZA
Datum: 1903-07-23  Orsak: AVMÖNSTRAD
Källa: GÖTEBORG DIC:146  År/nr: 1903:00775

Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) DIc:146 (1903) Bild 3540 / sid 775 (AID: v289421.b3540.s775, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)

Carl Adolf Bernhard Brandelius is his father.
Skövde stadsförsamling (R) AIIa:2 (1900-1910) Bild 438 / sid 862 (AID: v114294.b438.s862, NAD: SE/GLA/13489)

2021-02-16, 04:08
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He was moved 1910 to the New Book page 959, Skövde stadsförsamling (R) AIIa:9 (1910-1924) Bild 165 / sid 959 (AID: v114301.b165.s959, NAD: SE/GLA/13489). 1913 he was moved to "Bok över obefintliga", where people were placed when they were not present in the parish and they did not know where they had moved. That could have happened any time between 1907 and 1913, as he moved without tell where he went. He was for sure a sailor, thus away sometimes.

Thanks Leif! He was definitely in Australia by summer 1908 so I am guessing he jumped ship there. Maybe that's why I can't trace the ship name that was in the newspaper article about Carl in NSW. He probably lied.
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daughter of Pierre son of Carl son of BJG son of JC son of Lars son of CJ son of Algot Brandelius.

2021-02-16, 04:10
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Please note that the above referenced listing in the books, as you know, states his profession as "styrman", ~chief mate/first office and it also states that he was enlisted in the navy with registration nr: 225 207/1905.
For sailors there was an institution called "sjömanshus" were sailors registered. Some of their records are available on line but I don't know if it is true in your case.

Thank you, Nils. I am finding military information difficult to sort through but you are right, I should be able to find something through his number so I will try something else.
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daughter of Pierre son of Carl son of BJG son of JC son of Lars son of CJ son of Algot Brandelius.

2021-02-16, 04:23
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Here he is at an earlier time.

Namn: CARL MARTIN BRANDELIUS
Födelsetid: 1884
Föddförsaml: RAMSBERG     Län: T
Hemförsaml: MO ANNEX     Län:
Yrke/Titel: JUNGMAN  Sjömanshus: GÖTEBORG
Fartyg: ALBATROS     Typ: SKEPP
Hamn: EAST LONDON  Land: SYDAFRIKA  Landskod: ZA
Datum: 1903-07-23  Orsak: AVMÖNSTRAD
Källa: GÖTEBORG DIC:146  År/nr: 1903:00775

Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) DIc:146 (1903) Bild 3540 / sid 775 (AID: v289421.b3540.s775, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)

Carl Adolf Bernhard Brandelius is his father.
Skövde stadsförsamling (R) AIIa:2 (1900-1910) Bild 438 / sid 862 (AID: v114294.b438.s862, NAD: SE/GLA/13489)

Sven, thank you! Perhaps I can use this information to help me find him leaving in 1907 or 1908.
Carl Martin was the illegitmate son of Bengt Johan Gustaf Brandelius, who died 2 mos after Carl was born. Carl's mother, Ulrika Lundgren, married Anders Alrid Andersson Burk when Carl was 3 and one month later he was sent to foster families (as Lundgren, Gustafsson, and Brandelius) until in 1892 his uncle (BJG's brother) Carl Adolf Bernhard Brandelius and his wife Christina Maria Olsdotter became his foster parents. After a few years census recordings stop putting "foster" before "son". I hope they had a good relationship.
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daughter of Pierre son of Carl son of BJG son of JC son of Lars son of CJ son of Algot Brandelius.

2021-02-16, 11:03
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Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) DIf:6 (1898-1907) Bild 1550 / sid 36 (AID: v289708.b1550.s36, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)
This is a list of his hires on Swedish ships. The last entry is when his military service number is crossed out and he is "Frikallad", Exempt from military service, on 8 March 1907.

2021-02-16, 15:05
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Carl Adolf Bernhard Brandelius died 29 June 1917. In the wills noted in the estate inventory Carl Martin Brandelius is mentioned twice. In 1901 he is to get half the estate, in 1905 he gets 2000 kronor.

Vadsbo södra häradsrätt (R) FII:25 (1917) Bild 5820 / sid 110 (AID: v501008.b5820.s110, NAD: SE/GLA/11046)

2021-02-16, 16:05
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Carl mustered off the steamer Julia in Rostock, Germany, on 11 Dec 1906. His title was Båtsman.
Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) DIb:148 (1906) Bild 2340 / sid 665 (AID: v289110a.b2340.s665, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)
Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) EV:534 (1907) Bild 1340 / sid 7 (AID: v290324.b1340.s7, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)

The ship was condemned on 15 Jan 1907.
Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) EV:534 (1907) Bild 1380 / sid 16 (AID: v290324.b1380.s16, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)

2021-02-17, 04:07
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Sven, you're the cherry on top. Thank you!!

I can't wait to share more of the information I have been given here with my dad (Carl's son). He's ill & homebound far from me but our on-going geneology project has him smiling. Carl died suddenly in 1952 with many stories still untold so my dad's been waiting a long time to know his family.

Someday I hope I can help others as I have been helped here.

EDITING: His future wife was German/Swedish, immigrated to the USA with her whole family and married Carl right away. I wonder if Carl met her father while he was in Germany? He wouldn't have met his wife, she was born that year! You have given much more to think about.

Carl mustered off the steamer Julia in Rostock, Germany, on 11 Dec 1906. His title was Båtsman.
Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) DIb:148 (1906) Bild 2340 / sid 665 (AID: v289110a.b2340.s665, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)
Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) EV:534 (1907) Bild 1340 / sid 7 (AID: v290324.b1340.s7, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)

The ship was condemned on 15 Jan 1907.
Sjömanshuset i Göteborg (O) EV:534 (1907) Bild 1380 / sid 16 (AID: v290324.b1380.s16, NAD: SE/GLA/12466)
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daughter of Pierre son of Carl son of BJG son of JC son of Lars son of CJ son of Algot Brandelius.

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