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2020-08-11, 01:50
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Can anyone tell me what the highlighted text says on the attached household exam record?  It looks like it might be saying where they moved in 1760 - maybe I'm way off...

Vittaryd (G) AI:1 (1740-1804) Image: 38 Page: 59
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v21183?image=38

Thanks for your help,

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2020-08-11, 10:04
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This is one possible solution, partly educated guess.

afskedade til Ingelstad 1760 d 22 juni.dismissed to Ingelstad...

2020-08-11, 13:31
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Thank you!   I'll check that out! 

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-11, 18:09
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I think it looks more like Angelstad - it is closer.


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2020-08-11, 19:14
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Thank you for this!  I'll try to find them there!

I appreciate your help,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-12, 00:02
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I was thinking of the village Ingelstad, some 2 km SE of Vittaryd church. Quite close ;)

But Angelstad is a good suggestion.

2020-08-12, 00:48
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I'll give that a try!  So far I haven't found them after 1760...  So I appreciate your ongoing help!

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2020-08-12, 00:53
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Is Ingelstad still in Vittaryd parish?  I can't find that place listed in the household records for Vittaryd or am I misunderstanding? 

Thanks for your help,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-12, 08:31
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Ingelstad belongs to Berga parish, the annex to Vittaryd. But I have not found them there. Yet, but I will try again!
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2020-08-12, 12:33
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In this book Ingelstad is written as on page 16 and 66. An "A" isn't written like your example through the book, but it is similar anyway to Angelstad at p. 46.
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2020-08-12, 13:51
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Thanks to all of you for your help!

I still cannot find them.  He and wife wife may have already died before some of these early household records begin.  I will try to locate death records in the parishes Berga, Angelstad, Vittaryd.  I will also be checking the tax records and military records to see what I can find.

Thanks again for your help - if you happen to find them, please let me know!

Vicki Cihla


2020-08-12, 20:02
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I've found no death records for them so far as many people are listed without their patronymic names so I'm looking at the tax records now for Vittaryd.  Can anyone tell me what the circled words are on the attached copy (same record you've already been looking at)?  One is the place name and I'm not sure what the other one is.

Vittaryd-G-AI-1-1740-1804-Image-38-Page-59
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v21183?image=38&page=59

Your help would be greatly appreciated,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-12, 20:45
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Hultatorpet - it is the name of the place they are living


Afskedade soldaten - the dismissed soldier


I still think it looks like they moved to Angelstad (the neighbouring parish) but as they might be old and poor they might not be listed in the tax roll. He might not even use his soldier name any more. Have you followed their children? Many retired people moved in with one of their children.


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2020-08-12, 21:14
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Thank you for this helpful information! 

So that means he was already dismissed by the beginning of this household record - most likely before 1740?  He entered into military service in 1709 so that would have been a long time I think.  All of his children that I have been able to find were born between 1718 and 1726, all in Vittaryd.  The children of my ancestor, Jacob Svensson (who was the youngest of Sven's children), were all born in Angelstad, but I have not found his parents with them.  I still have to fully research the other 3 children. 

I thought I might find him in the tax records for at least some of the time between 1718 and 1726 after he was married and his children were born.  And, by the time they moved to Angelstad in 1760 they would have been at least in their 70's so they probably weren't listed in the tax rolls, as you have indicated.  I haven't been able to find a marriage record either. 

I'm going to check the Angelstad death records for 1760 and after.  Since the household exam record doesn't indicate that either of them died before moving to Angelstad, I will assume, (hopefully correctly :), that they were both living at least until that time.

This one is really a challenge! 

Thanks again for this help!  It all helps me stay on track and hopefully I'll find some answers!

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-12, 21:59
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I found them living at Hölminge Svensgård, same place as their son Jacob. You can find them at


Angelstad (G) AI:1 (-1793) Bild 43 / sid 65 (AID: v18231.b43.s65, NAD: SE/VALA/00013)

One of my ancestors was a soldier in Hölminge about that time too, they probably knew each other... :-)

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2020-08-12, 22:26
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For the record.

Sven leaving the army:

Generalmönsterrullor, Arkiv med löpande volymnumrering, SE/KrA/0023/0/334 (1733), bildid: A0028311_00155
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0028311_00155

Karlen gammal och bräklig, begär och beviljas avskied.

The man old and fragile, asked for and was dismissed.


And here is it confirmed with replacement in place.
Generalmönsterrullor, Arkiv med löpande volymnumrering, SE/KrA/0023/0/335 (1740), bildid: A0028312_00337
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0028312_00337

2020-08-12, 22:31
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Thank you so much!  How cool is that?   :) 

I actually looked there yesterday after you suggested Angelstad and I went right by it!! It was confusing because I didn't know what the household record dates actually were.  I was bouncing around so much between various places and really had no idea if I was on the right track or not.  I see  that this record includes birthdates in the 1760's so it definitely would be after they moved.

I was looking at what sent when you sent the additional military information!  Thanks so very much!!  I have been really fumbling with this one! 

Now I should be able to find the rest of the story!! (hopefully)   :)

Thanks again,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-12, 22:37
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Ulf, I'm sorry, I didn't initially realize you sent the military information!  I'm trying hard to keep up with all of you!  I only wish I could be a bit quicker!

Thanks so much for what you sent!! 

A hearty thanks to ALL who have been helping me out with this particularly challenging family!!

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-12, 22:53
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I think Ingeborg died already 1761 and was buried April 12 - they were living in Hölminge Anders Mårtenssons gård (not Svensgård as I wrote before). See

Angelstad (G) CI:2 (1747-1809) Bild 128 / sid 247 (AID: v30822.b128.s247, NAD: SE/VALA/00013)

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2020-08-12, 22:56
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Sven died shortly thereafter, 24th of Oct - see

Angelstad (G) CI:2 (1747-1809) Bild 129 / sid 249 (AID: v30822.b129.s249, NAD: SE/VALA/00013)

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2020-08-12, 23:00
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Wow!  Thank you so much!!   I can't even document as fast as you can locate it!!

Your help is very much appreciated,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-12, 23:05
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And no wonder you could not find their marriage - it is hardly readable. They married 1717 in Vittaryd - probably Dom 4 p Epiph - which should be 3rd Feb. It is so hard to read so that is a guess. Look for the year - they are noted just beside that (and a bit lower, but that has been erased).

Vittaryd (G) C:1 (1689-1820) Bild 8 / sid 5 (AID: v29948.b8.s5, NAD: SE/VALA/00428)

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2020-08-12, 23:09
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Wow - that is incredible!

I remember looking through those records feeling very hopeless!   :)  I'm so grateful you could find it AND read it!!

Thanks again for all this great information,

Vicki Cihla


2020-08-12, 23:44
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Just asking, have you found anything that indicates that Sven was married before 1717?
I came to think about that since it was a requirement that a soldier should be married in a couple of months after being recruited, in Sven's case 1709.

2020-08-13, 00:43
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No, I haven't found anything indicating another marriage. I only found 4 children for them, 1718, 1720, 1723, and 1726.  But, I did wonder, because of his age at the time of the first birth - so I wasn't sure if I actually had all the children or not or if maybe he had been married before. 

Another thing I noticed when looking for these birth records was that the first child Per's parents are listed as Sven Bengtsson Siöman (instead of Siöberg).  There is actually another person by the name of Corporal Sven Siöman who was a witness at the second child's, (Måns) birth - December 1720, baptised January 1721.

Vittaryd-G-C-1-1689-1820-Image-44-Page-73
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v29948?image=44

There is actually another person by the name of Corporal Sven Siöman who was a witness at the second child's birth:

Vittaryd-G-C-1-1689-1820-Image-46-Page-77       
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v29948?image=46

When I looked him up, his name was Sven Månsson Siöman and I wondered if this might be Sven's wife's brother??  Please let me know your thoughts - of course, it needs to be proven but seems possible.  His about the same age, etc. 

SIÖMAN Swän
Släktnamn: Månsson
Född: 1691
Död: -
Antagen: 1720
Avsked: 1744
Aktnummer: KR-08-0987-1720
Regemente: Kronobergs regemente
Rote: Hörda (24)
Kompani: NORRA SUNNERBO KOMPANI
Socken: BERGA
Torpnummer: KR-08-0987
Det kan finnas mer uppgifter om soldaten än vad som visas här t.ex. familjebild eller andra värdefulla upplysningar. Kontakta gärna registret nedan för mer information. Ange soldatens namn och aktnummer.

Thanks again for all of your help!

Vicki Cihla



2020-08-13, 01:24
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I also noticed Sven Månsson Siöman. He was recruited at the same time as Sven B (SM as #8, SB as #9), both under Torset in Berga.
Sven M was promoteded in 1720 and moved to #24.

Generalmönsterrullor, Arkiv med löpande volymnumrering, SE/KrA/0023/0/333 (1721), bildid: A0028309_00263
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0028309_00263

According to GMR 1710 Sven M was born i Vittaryd, so why not. Sven B's marriage was in Vittaryd so it is a good chance that Ingeborg was born there.
He could also be a witness because of the Svens being comrades in arms for a long time. Also the fact that Sven M was promoted  would make him a desireable witness.

It is still an interresting thought, finding Sven M's or Ingeborg's birth records might open a possibility for finds in mantal.

2020-08-13, 01:36
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Glad you noticed Sven M also - you noticed a lot more similarities!  Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! 

The available birth records for Vittaryd begin in 1689 so it will be very close, but I will definitely be taking a look!

Thanks for all your help,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-13, 14:24
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In trying to look closely at the marriage record of Sven and Ingeborg in 1717, I cannot tell for sure, but it doesn't look like Sven is listed as a widower.  Or does anyone else see any indication of it?  I still have more research to do so maybe I'll find out more about that.

Vittaryd (G) C:1 (1689-1820) Bild 8 / sid 5 (AID: v29948.b8.s5, NAD: SE/VALA/00428)
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v29948?image=8

Thanks for your help!

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2020-08-13, 18:42
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2020-08-13, 21:17
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Thanks very much for checking this! 

I never realized that they needed to be married within a specified timeframe.  Interesting.  I might have to go back and check the other soldiers! 

Thanks again,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-13, 21:53
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http://www.soldatreg.se/hustrun/
Already when the "permanent soldier supply system" is organized in the 1680s, it is stated that
whoever is to become a soldier must be married and if he is not, he must get married
within three months. If the soldier does not do so, it can go so far that the company
commander appoints a wife for him.

2020-08-13, 22:46
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Oh, wow!  Seems incredible, doesn't it, by today's norms?

Thanks for this interesting piece of information!

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-13, 22:51
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I'm still catching up on all the information I so kindly received from all of you yesterday!!

Now I'm looking at his Sven B's (and Sven M's also) military records -

Will you take a look at the attached 1716 GMR for Sven Bengtsson and tell me if the notes are specifically describing his equipment?  I know it shows his age as 33 and he's been in the military for 7 years...

Generalmönsterrullor--Kronobergs-regemente-G-329b-1716-Image-297
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v46667?image=297

Thanks for your help!

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-13, 23:31
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It was not unusual that the new recruit had to marry the widow of the man he replaced. It was a way for the parish to avoid the cost of taking care of the widow and her children.

Since the regiment was erased in Russia there ought to be a widow at the croft.


Yes, it is a description of his equipment. It must have been ok since there are no notes about getting something new.

2020-08-13, 23:33
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Thank you!

I just found my first GMR for him that shows he's married will you take a look at the note and see if it says anything like that?

ArkivDigital: Generalmönsterrullor - Kronobergs regemente (G) 331 (1718) Image: 347 Page: 340
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v46669?image=347&page=331

Thanks so much,

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2020-08-13, 23:50
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The note is about the equipment. Something about a shoe buckle.

2020-08-13, 23:53
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It says he is married, yes.

The note under his name is the reserve man recruited in 1718.

2020-08-13, 23:56
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Thank you! 

About the shoe buckle - Not quite what I expected.   :)

but it is ALL very interesting!!

Thanks so much for your ongoing help,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-14, 00:01
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Should I be starting a new topic on this???  Would that be easier for everyone?  I was trying to keep all the military stuff together but is it getting too long?

Please let me know if I should begin a new topic or if it's ok to finish out the military questions tied to Sven Bengtsson Siöberg on this topic?

Thank you,

Vicki Cihla

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