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Författare Ämne: Help trying to discern mother's patronymic name  (läst 189 gånger)

2020-08-01, 02:50
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Utloggad Victoria Cihla

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The attached birth record for one of my ancestors, Catharina Samuelsdotter, lists her father’s name, Samuel Larsson, and her mother’s name, Elin with a blank space after it for her patronymic name, which was never filled in.

Catharina Samuelsdotter 1802 birth Vrå-G-C-1-1701-1823-Image-134-Page-257
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v29940?image=134

I found her in the following household records for Hjortseryd, Vrå, Kronoberg:

•   1803-1807 Samuel and Eling with 4 children including Catharina     Vrå-G-AI-1-1788-1817-Image-115-Page-215
•   1808-1812 Samuel and Eling with 7 children including Catharina     Vrå-G-AI-1-1788-1817-Image-156-Page-297
•   1813-1817 Samuel and Elin with 8 children including Catharina       Vrå-G-AI-1-1788-1817-Image-197-Page-379
•   1821-1832 Samuel Larsson and Eling Jacobsdotter with 8 children including Catharina     Vrå (G) AI:2 (1821-1832) Image: 25 Page: 35
•   1824-1832 Samuel Larsson and Eling Jacobsdotter with 7 children including Catharina     Vrå (G) AI:2 (1821-1832) Image: 108 Page: 201
•   1831-1835 Lists Samuel Larsson and Elin Jacobsdotter with children, Catharina has married in 1834 and is listed separately with her husband on the same page  ArkivDigital: Vrå (G) AI:3 (1831-1841) Image: 29 Page: 22

I looked at the birth records for all her siblings and found conflicting information for the mother – her patronymic name is Jacobsdotter once, Blank 3 times, Persdotter twice and Jonsdotter 3 times! 

•   Johannes b. 1800 was illegitimate, born to Elin Jacobsdotter at age 26,  no father listed.
•   Catharina b. 1802 father Samuel Larsson, mother Elin <BLANK>
•   Lars b. 1804 father Samuel Larsson, mother Elin Persdotter
•   Sven b. 1806 father Samuel Larsson, mother Elin <BLANK>
•   Anna b. 1808 father Samuel Larsson, mother Elin Jonsdotter  (Anna died same year)
•   Anna b. 1809 father Samuel Larsson, mother Elin Jonsdotter
•   Petter b. 1811 father Samuel Larsson, mother Elin Persdotter
•   Nils b. 1814 father Samuel Larsson, mother Elin Jonsdotter
•   Johanna b. 1816 father Samuel, mother Elin <BLANK>

Samuel Larsson appears in the tax records with his family from 1803 through 1839 listing children, sometimes by number and sometimes by name.  Samuel Larsson’s name was still listed, but it was crossed out, in 1840.  Eling died in March 1839 and Samuel died a couple weeks later.

I know this is a lot of information but I want to try to figure out who Catharina's mother was - all I know for sure is her first name is Elin.

I believe that my ancestor Catharina’s mother’s name was Elin Jacobsdotter – is that a fair assumption?  I also believe that Elin Jacobsdotter is the mother of all the children.  Samuel Larsson and Elin Jacobsdotter were married in Angelstad in 1801.   All the children, with the exception of Johannes b. 1800 were born within the 1801 marriage date and 1839 death dates.
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I'd appreciate your thoughts on my assumption and/or if there's anything more I could check.

Thanks so much for any help,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-01, 10:39
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Utloggad Birgitta Berkemar

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Her name is Elin Jacbsdotter. She was born i Angelstad parish 1772-03-08 and her father´s name is Jacob.
She and Samuel got married in Angelstad 1801.
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2020-08-01, 10:49
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No clues from the sponsors?


You have a convincing argumentation. The only thing that bothers me is the missing child Jacob. No big issue.

2020-08-01, 12:09
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Elin gave birth to a son Johannes 1800-09-29 in Malmeryd. No father mentiones.
Her parents: Jacob Svensson and Ingeborg.
Birgitta B

2020-08-01, 15:00
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Thank you to both of you!

I have looked at the sponsors and and have not found anything to help me on that front so far but will continue to look at it.

I have also had the same thought about a son named Jacob.  This has been quite puzzling, but it seems like the only likely answer is that they are all children of Samuel Larsson and Elin Jacobsdotter. 

Thank you so much for taking the time to sort through my long email and for giving ne your thoughts!

Your help is very much appreciated,

Vicki Cihla

2020-08-01, 18:45
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It is a god help in the research to find out which custom they used, when they gave there children namn. Different part of Sweden have different customs. In Göinge ( nearby Härad in Skåne) and part of Southern Småland (Värend) they did not give namn after living persons, because it took the lifeforce from the old person too the young child. I do not know exactly the custom in Sunnerbo, but it is possible the same. In the marriage note Elin Jacobsdotter is from Malmeryd. In mantalslängden 1800 is Elin  daughter to Jacob Svensson. In Husförhörslängden AIa:3 fol 178; Jacob Svensson f 1726 Hwittaryd, Dead 1818 15/4, and living when Elin have children. And his wife Ingeborg Swensdotter.

2020-08-01, 23:30
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Thank you for this information.  It is very interesting!  Most of my ancestors seem to have used the more traditional naming patterns but it is possible that it could be a factor in how these children were (or weren't) named. 

Thanks again,

Vicki Cihla

 

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