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2020-07-09, 22:42
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Utloggad Victoria Cihla

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Attached are copies of tax records for Hylte, Odensjö, Kronoberg for the years 1726, 1729, 1730 and 1731 with the names in question highlighted.  The names I'm looking for are Nils Torsson and Elin Olufsdotter.  Their children were born between 1710 and 1723 and the birth records all list Nils Torsson and Elin Olufsdotter as the parents. 

The wife's name is Elin on the 1729 and 1730 tax records,  On the tax records for 1726 and 1731 (both before and after the wife is listed as Elin) her name is listed as a different name, which I cannot read.  Can anyone tell me if these 2 names could be the same wife?  Hope you can follow my confusing question - but I think it will be clear in the attached images.

1726
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v835377?image=2000&page=385

1729
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v835380?image=1760&page=345

1730
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v835381?image=1810&page=357

1731
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v835382?image=1970&page=387

Thanks for any help with this,

Vicki Cihla

 

2020-07-09, 22:54
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I am at least able to follow the nice rectangles!
Knut
Elin
Elin
Knut
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2020-07-09, 23:04
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Thank you for this!   I did think it looked like Knut also, but thought that couldn't be right!  Hmmm.   

Does that mean that 2 men (maybe brothers or?) worked on the farm?  Why might the wife be listed for 1729 and 1730 but not before or after when I know their children were born at Hylte?  This is confusing to me.  Nils and Elin married in 1709 and she lived until 1744.  How can I tell if he was paying tax for his wife if there are only two names listed?  It seems likely (at least to me)  :) that the first "Nils of the Knut" and Nils is the same as the "Knut and Nils."   

Why wouldn't the wife's name be listed more often?

Any thoughts on this? 

Thanks for your help,

Vicki Cihla

2020-07-10, 14:43
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I have a question about a property (Hylte in Odensjö) where, on the tax records, the taxpayers are Nils and Knut for several years, followed by Nils and his wife Elin for 2 years, and then it is back under Nils and Knut again for many more years. 

My question is regarding how the taxes are recorded - does this imply 2 different men are running the farm?  All of the birth records for Nils and Elin show that all of their children were born at Hylte during the time when the farm is listed under Nils and Knut. 

This is confusing to me.  If his wife was living there as indicated by the children's birth records, wouldn't tax have been paid for her?

Trying to understand what I'm seeing here so any help would be much appreciated,

Vicki Cihla

2020-07-10, 19:53
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Update:  I have found Nils Torsson in later years - can anyone tell me what the highlighted part of the note says.  I know that it also indicates he is 60 years old and poor, but not about the beginning piece of it.

https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v840179?image=2740&page=533

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Vicki Cihla

2020-07-10, 20:02
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Does it say he is sick or unhealthy?  I looked up the word sjuklig but wasn't sure if that was quite right. 

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Vicki Cihla

2020-07-10, 20:12
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Inhyses öfver 60 år, fattig.

Lodged(?) over 60 years, poor.

2020-07-10, 20:27
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Thank you!

I thought it meant he was 60 years old making his birth year circa 1688.  So, does it mean that he lived at that same place for 60 years?   I have a tax record from 2 years later that says, I think, that he is 70 years old. This would put his birth year in circa 1680.  (I had previously estimated it to be 1681 so that one is much closer).

I cannot tell what the letters are of the last word on the note included on the 1750 tax record, can you tell me what it is?

https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v840181c?image=2610&page=507

Thank you so much,

Vicki Cihla

2020-07-10, 21:41
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Sorry, didn't think of the missing comma :-[
He is lodged.
He is over 60 years old.


Har undantag.

This means that he have a "pension agreement" with, commonly, the owner of the property, in this case the son(?) Per. The agreement can be found in the court records if you know the year it was set-up.

2020-07-10, 22:05
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Thank you very much!  How interesting!

Yes, that makes sense.  His son Per owned the property until at least after his father died in 1765 (probably longer), however,  Nils' name is never mentioned on the tax register after 1750.   Would that be because he would no longer be paying tax?

They must have made the agreement in 1749 or 1750.  Since the notation is on the 1750 tax record - would it have to have been done the preceding year?  or would it be that year?   Are these agreements typically short documents? 

I would love to try to locate the agreement as I've never had an opportunity to find one so far! 

Does anyone know how I would begin my search?  Are the records divided up in any way, like by county or parish, or are they simply by date?  It may be far too complicated, but I'd like to make an attempt.

Thanks for any help with this!

Vicki Cihla






2020-07-10, 23:03
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Correct, when a person stops paying the tax they are not required in the tax record.

My father in law have a contract from his great great something mother. It is a very detailed description of the obligations of the son towards his parents, after purchasing the farm. It says exactly how many pikes and herrings, clothes, milk etc. she must have every year. It also says that she must be taken care of when she can't manage her self.

The agreement ought to be found in the häradsrätt protocolls the parish belongs to. I can't say how it is presented but it can be tough reading.
Maybe someone else on the forum can give you help to make the search easier.

2020-07-11, 00:24
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Thanks very much!  Wow, your father-in-law is very fortunate to have found something so detailed and personal for an ancestor from such a long time ago!

I wish to learn more about my ancestors and to better understand history generally.  I'll do some reading about how best to approach it when you don't know much to start with.  :) 

If anyone has any suggestions for me, I would be very happy to hear them!

Thanks for all the help,

Vicki Cihla

 

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