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Författare Ämne: Birth Location of Ola Malm (1795-1865)  (läst 3166 gånger)

2020-06-20, 16:57
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Looking for the birth parish name of Ola Malm, born 26 Nov. 1795, died 10 July 1865 in Konga.

His first wife was Bengta Andersdotter (1790-1882); he also had a daughter named Johanna Olsdotter (1833-1912) with Anna Svensdotter (b. 1793).

In each Husförhörslängder (Konga--Ebbarp & Rottorp) from 1825 to 1834, he is said to have been born in Bohuslän or Bohus, but I can't find his 1795 birth place (I'm hoping to find his parents).

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2020-06-20, 18:04
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Malm was his military name, his real last name was Ifvarsson. Also, if he was born in Bohuslän, his original first name probably was Olof rather than Ola. So, look for a man named Ifver or Ivar, with a son named Olof or even Oluf.

2020-06-21, 10:27
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Malm was his military name, his real last name was Ifvarsson. Also, if he was born in Bohuslän, his original first name probably was Olof rather than Ola. So, look for a man named Ifver or Ivar, with a son named Olof or even Oluf.

Thank you, Kalle! His birthplace still eludes me, but this is very helpful.

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2020-06-21, 18:19
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...if he was born in Bohuslän, his original first name probably was Olof rather than Ola.

On the contrary. Olof is the Swedish form of the name. But in the old Norwegian province Båhuslän they said Ola. Some priests also wrote the name Ola, and some Olof.
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2020-06-21, 18:29
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Well, the best candidate I found this far was actually written Olof by the priest. He might prove hard to investigate though, since his father is a "wanderer" from another parish.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0041733_00014#?c=&m=&s=&cv=13&xywh=16%2C2360%2C3905%2C2126

With the soldier name Malm I'm tempted to look for Ola on Malmön though, but the church books in Askum socken are lost to a fire in 1898.

2020-06-22, 18:23
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Well, the best candidate I found this far was actually written Olof by the priest. He might prove hard to investigate though, since his father is a "wanderer" from another parish.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0041733_00014#?c=&m=&s=&cv=13&xywh=16%2C2360%2C3905%2C2126

With the soldier name Malm I'm tempted to look for Ola on Malmön though, but the church books in Askum socken are lost to a fire in 1898.

Thank you again! I see that Ivar Berg is a "wanderer," but it looks like perhaps he was a wandering sailor. I did find an Ivar Berg at http://www.soldatreg.se/, but he died in 1789--six years before Ola Malm was born. The search continues...

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2020-06-22, 19:52
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Well, the best candidate I found this far was actually written Olof by the priest. He might prove hard to investigate though, since his father is a "wanderer" from another parish.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0041733_00014#?c=&m=&s=&cv=13&xywh=16%2C2360%2C3905%2C2126

With the soldier name Malm I'm tempted to look for Ola on Malmön though, but the church books in Askum socken are lost to a fire in 1898.

Thank you again! I see that Ivar Berg is a "wanderer," but it looks like perhaps he was a wandering sailor. I did find an Ivar Berg at http://www.soldatreg.se/, but he died in 1789--six years before Ola Malm was born. The search continues...

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You are completely right he is a former sailor, but I'm not sure the sailors are registred on that site? Might only be land based soldiers. The last bit says "fr. Skjo sochn", but it should probably be Skee  socken. I did look around for Ivar Berg but couldn't find him. The thing is, Bohuslän is pretty well covered and searcheable on the page "släktdata" but there is not much to find about Ola Malm.

https://register.slaktdata.org/regsearch/

2020-06-22, 20:17
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2020-06-22, 20:32
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Olof, son of Ivar Berg. Born 1795.
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2020-06-22, 20:45
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Olof, son of Ivar Berg. Born 1795.
Yes, that's the person we are talking about. I'm not sure about the other Ivar Berg though, if it's the same person he's changing wife quite often.

2020-06-22, 22:40
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Olof, son of Ivar Berg. Born 1795.
Yes, that's the person we are talking about. I'm not sure about the other Ivar Berg though, if it's the same person he's changing wife quite often.

I must confess my ignorance: I'm not sure to what resource "RB nr 131" refers. Also, from what resource do we know that Ola Malm's patronymic is Ifversson? I have not found this, either. Thank you!

2020-06-22, 23:39
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Ifvarsson was from centrala soldatregistret. Now I checked the military books myself, and I'm not so sure anymore. Ola Malm had 6 years in the military in 1818, so he was recruited in 1812 when this regiment was started. He was representing the farm Stora (large) Ebbarp.

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0028641_00141#?c=&m=&s=&cv=140&xywh=-79%2C2263%2C5264%2C2865

In 1812, there is a man called Ola Ifversson representing Lilla Ebbarp. Same man? Problem is, he was just 17 years in 1812, and 29 in 1818. Also he was 5 foot tall in 1812, and 5 foot 8 inches in 1818. The regiment was just started in 1812, so they might have been in a hurry and got some info wrong. For example, no soldiers had got any soldiers last names yet, they all had their patronymicon.

That book I only found at Arkiv Digital, a pay service. If you have it, you can see it here:
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v731062a?image=70

2020-06-23, 01:47
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Ifvarsson was from centrala soldatregistret. Now I checked the military books myself, and I'm not so sure anymore. Ola Malm had 6 years in the military in 1818, so he was recruited in 1812 when this regiment was started. He was representing the farm Stora (large) Ebbarp.

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0028641_00141#?c=&m=&s=&cv=140&xywh=-79%2C2263%2C5264%2C2865

In 1812, there is a man called Ola Ifversson representing Lilla Ebbarp. Same man? Problem is, he was just 17 years in 1812, and 29 in 1818. Also he was 5 foot tall in 1812, and 5 foot 8 inches in 1818. The regiment was just started in 1812, so they might have been in a hurry and got some info wrong. For example, no soldiers had got any soldiers last names yet, they all had their patronymicon.

That book I only found at Arkiv Digital, a pay service. If you have it, you can see it here:
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v731062a?image=70

If you trace him in the Onsjö kompani from 1818 to 1843 (found here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/generalmonsterrullor?RegementeIndex=Norra+Sk%C3%A5nska+infanteriregementet&KompaniIndex=Onsj%C3%B6+kompani&DatumFran=&DatumTill= ), his residence in each record is Stora Ebbarp, his height varies from 5' 8" to 5' 11", his birthplace is Bohuslän, and--interestingly--his birthdate is 1788/1789, and not the 11 Nov. 1795 that appears in the Husförhörslängder.

If this is the same Ola Malm, perhaps his birthplace remains hidden because his actual birth year is 1788 or 1789?

2020-06-23, 10:02
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Yes, that's interesting. But in the very first book, where he was called Ifvarsson, it was stated that he was 17 years old in 1812, which would give a birth year of 1795. If that´s the same person. It also states that he was born in Skåne, but so did the 1823 book where he was called Malm, that was corrected later in the 1828 book.

2020-06-23, 16:51
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Yes, that's interesting. But in the very first book, where he was called Ifvarsson, it was stated that he was 17 years old in 1812, which would give a birth year of 1795. If that´s the same person. It also states that he was born in Skåne, but so did the 1823 book where he was called Malm, that was corrected later in the 1828 book.

I think "interesting" is now turning to "Strange"!

In the Husförhörslängder for Konga, 1821 through 1854, I can only find one "ola Malm." His birthday is always 25 NOV 1795, and he is always listed as a soldier from Bohus, and he is never listed as living in Ebbarp.

The Ola Malm from Onsjö kompani is usually listed as being from Bohus, but living in Ebbarp, and his birthday is always 1788/1789.

So, it almost seems like there are two Ola Malm soldiers from Bohus living in Konga--one from Ebbarp and one in Rottorpet. But the Husförhörslängder only has one Ola Malm for almost 30 years.

And I can understand someone giving a wrong birthdate, but how could someone give one birthdate for the army, and one to the church, almost every year?

I'm looking now for someone named Ola Ifversson born in a Bohus parish in 1788/1789....

2020-06-23, 18:16
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They could give the army an earlier year just to be "old enough". Nor the army neither the church (usually) did ask the person more than once, or checked with each other, how old they were or when they were born, they just copied from the previous book. Thus an error once made usually remain all their life. And it is quite possible persons didn't even know their birthdate, it was something the priest had in their books. Also, a new soldier often took the same name as the previous one, related or not. But it is strange that Ola Ifversson had the right age 1812 but was older as Ola Malm in 1818, if he was accepted in 1812 he had no reason to lie 1818 when he for sure was old enough. These Ola represented two different Rote, but a change is possible, so that is no proof that they two persons. But if you have both at the same time in the church records or the army records, then you know they are two. To make it further unsure, it was possible that a soldier represented one Rote but lived in another...

2020-06-23, 19:12
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I'm sure there is only one Ola Malm. He's called "soldat", wich means he's in the infantry. And there is only one infantry regiment in this region. And the soldiers names were unique in each company (that's the whole point with the soldiers names, to separate all Ola Olssons and Anders Anderssons  :) ).

The military roll 1818 (June 25) says he has been serving for 6 years. Which means he was enlisted 1812, the same year this regiment was established.

The rolls does not say were the soldiers live. Stora Ebbarp is the file (rote) he is serving for. And if we compare the numbers and names of the files 1812 and 1818 (every file, not just Ola's) there is not many that are the same both years. The regiment was new in 1812, so they must have changed the files in 1818.

Ola Ifvarsson is serving för 11 Lilla Ebbarp in 1812. And Ola Malm is serving för 5 Stora Ebbarp in 1818. Lilla (Little) Ebbarp and Stora (Great) Ebbarp are parts of the same village, and Ebbarp only have one file both 1812 and 1818.
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2020-06-23, 19:30
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Jörgen Tolleson posted while I was writing, so some of this he already wrote.

Several farms was togheter a "rote", and had to provide one soldier for the army. Stora Ebbarp and Lilla Ebbarp was in the same rote, and seemingly also Tranered. Together they put up a house for the soldier of their rote, and called it "Rottorpet". It seems like Rottorpet belonged to Stora and Lilla Ebbarp in different books, and also Tranered from time to time. So, in most "generalmönsterrullor" it belongs to Stora Ebbarp, but in the first one 1812 it's Lilla Ebbarp. Also in the house exam after Ola Malm's first wife it's Lilla Ebbarp: 
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0109775_00154#?c=&m=&s=&cv=153&xywh=1131%2C471%2C6319%2C2975

When Ola dies 1865, it's Stora Traneröd:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00134175_00041#?c=&m=&s=&cv=40&xywh=-375%2C81%2C3617%2C1969

So it seems like this place was owned by several farms together.

Ok, lets see if I got this right. Ola Malm had only one child, and that´s Johanna born out of wedlock in may 1833:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0066499_00104#?c=&m=&s=&cv=103&xywh=463%2C-202%2C5061%2C2755
Half a year later Ola married Johannas mother Anna:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0066499_00169#?c=&m=&s=&cv=168&xywh=-704%2C273%2C5061%2C2755
So we don't even know for sure that he was the father? Even if it does seem likely. But his first wife also had a daughter already when they married, and her father appaerently was some Johan so Ola was innocent that time. I'm also noticing that Anna was called Jönsdotter when Johanna was born and Svensdotter when she married Ola, but she still lived in Rottorpet.

2020-06-23, 20:51
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Johanna's last name is Olsdotter.

She moved to Klöveröd in 1853, and back home again in 1854 (Konga AI:9, page 287 and 433).
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2020-06-23, 21:17
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Ok, lets see if I got this right. Ola Malm had only one child, and that´s Johanna born out of wedlock in may 1833:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0066499_00104#?c=&m=&s=&cv=103&xywh=463%2C-202%2C5061%2C2755
Half a year later Ola married Johannas mother Anna:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0066499_00169#?c=&m=&s=&cv=168&xywh=-704%2C273%2C5061%2C2755
So we don't even know for sure that he was the father? Even if it does seem likely. But his first wife also had a daughter already when they married, and her father appaerently was some Johan so Ola was innocent that time. I'm also noticing that Anna was called Jönsdotter when Johanna was born and Svensdotter when she married Ola, but she still lived in Rottorpet.

Yes. Ola Malm married my 4th great-grandmother Anna after my 3rd great-grandmother Johanna was born.

And Anna's name change from Jönsdotter to Svensdotter is also a mystery, although she was living with her father Sven Assarsson in Konga in 1828, with "oagta" daughter Johanna: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0066472_00045#?c=&m=&s=&cv=44&xywh=171%2C1828%2C2879%2C1415

On that same file, image no. 54, you can see Ola Malm in Rottorpet with his first wife Bengta's name crossed out ("Dod 1832"), and also her daughter Anna's name.

Also, someone had transcribed several Konga documents which include reference to Ola Malm and his first wife on pages 29 and 46 (found here: https://docplayer.se/19266375-Tullstorp-grindhus-grindensborg-balbrohuset-kronohuset-kvark-kvarkahus.html ).

2020-06-23, 21:21
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Just to complicate things...  :)

In the first husförhörslängds Ola's birthplace is "Båhus". (Båhuslän is the correct spelling of the province namn, even though it's officially but incorrectly spelled "Bohuslän".) But the birthplace is not "Båhus län", just "Båhus". In later books, though, it's changed to "Bohus län".

Now to the complication... There is a place called Båhus in Konga's neighbour parish Kågeröd. And, as Kalle says, in the first military rolls Ola's birthplace is Skåne.
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2020-06-23, 23:19
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That is a very interesting idea! But I can't find any sign of Ola or Ifvar at Båhus in Kågeröd, and I have also checked the movement book and no Ola Ifvarsson or Malm left Kågeröd between when the book started in 1804 and untill 1819 when Ola was married and had a son Johan in Konga.

2020-06-24, 00:28
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That is a very interesting idea! But I can't find any sign of Ola or Ifvar at Båhus in Kågeröd, and I have also checked the movement book and no Ola Ifvarsson or Malm left Kågeröd between when the book started in 1804 and untill 1819 when Ola was married and had a son Johan in Konga.

And I searched the birth records in 1788 and 1789, and also 1795 for a likely Ola, without luck, but at least we might rule that out now!

2020-06-24, 20:30
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That is a very interesting idea! But I can't find any sign of Ola or Ifvar at Båhus in Kågeröd, and I have also checked the movement book and no Ola Ifvarsson or Malm left Kågeröd between when the book started in 1804 and untill 1819 when Ola was married and had a son Johan in Konga.

And I searched the birth records in 1788 and 1789, and also 1795 for a likely Ola, without luck, but at least we might rule that out now!

Only one Bohus Ola Malm candidate so far, Oluf Ifversson, 24 March 1789 in Svarteborg, son of Ifvar Ingvaldsson and Inger Andersdotter: Svarteborgs kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/GLA/13518/C/3 (1788-1835), Image 5 .

One source claims he died 14 May 1789, but I can't find this record (it should be in the same book).

2020-06-24, 21:07
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That child do die, you will find the notice on the far right at page 7. "d. 24 Ifwar Ingwalssons barn ifrån Stackekier Oluf dödt d. 14 af oangifven siuka 2 månar g."
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0042388_00012#?c=&m=&s=&cv=11&xywh=3508%2C760%2C2929%2C1594

2021-05-14, 17:39
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A new wrinkle:

Ola Malm was married to Bengta Andersdotter until her death in 1832.  He then married Anna Svensdotter in 1833, and she lived until 1873.

But "soldaten Ola Malm" is named as the husband of Anna Andersdotter at her death in Röstånga in 1839 at age 33:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0109780_00293 (bou)

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0068690_00134 (död)

Röstånga and Konga are only a few miles away, so I am unsure how two soldiers could have the same name, though clearly Ola Malm could not have had two wives at the same time. ???

I am hopeful that I can find their wedding record, to learn more about who this Ola Malm is.....

2021-05-14, 19:39
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2021-05-14, 20:25
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Thank you, Kalle. And here is his birth record:

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0068689_00124 birth record: Härsnäs, Röstånga, 05OCT1805, son of Hans Tuvessson and Hedwig Svensdotter.

Now to find out where he was stationed, to make certain the Ola Malm from Norra Skanska Infanteriregimentet, Onsjö kompani is a separate person.

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2021-05-14, 20:51
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Utloggad Kevin Casey

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And here is the second Ola Malm

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0028644_00064  in the Norra Skanska Infanteriregimentet as well, in the Frosta kompani,

alongside our old friend Ola, No. 5 from the Onsjö kompani.

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