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2020-04-15, 16:52
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Hello,
I'm French, I have swedish ancestors and i need help finding their names, date and location of birth, death, marriage.
What I know is my great great grand mother was:
- Siri Aurore Marie Elisabeth MARELIUS birth : 31 août 1857   (Gefle)Gävle Sweden
Death : 12 novembre 1917
Marriage 29 octobre 1877 Consulate and Parish Saint Louis des Français MOSCOU RUSSIE
With Pol Pierre Joseph HEBERT (French)

Siri Aurore's Father : Wilhem MARELIUS dates unknown
Siri Aurore's Mother : Augusta ËNGSTROM dates unknown

Can you help me to find the dates of Siri's Father and Mother ? Their occupation ? and perhaps their ancestors.
Thank you very much for the help.
Marie-Madeleine CLAIRIN     
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2020-04-15, 17:17
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According to the birth records in Gävle Heliga Trefaldighet (Holy Trinity) parish, Siri Aurore was born on the 31st of July 1857 and baptised on the 23rd of August.

I haven't (yet) been able to find her parents in the parish, but they might have lived somewhere else. In the 1880 census, her father is recorded as postmaster in Vaxholm, county of Stockholm. His birth place and year is given as Stockholm 1815. Selma Augusta is recorded as born in Torsåker parish, Gävleborg county, 1820.

This is a starting point, I'll dig deeper into the records and might find more details.

2020-04-15, 18:25
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The family moved from Gävle to Vaxholm in 1859, when Johan Jacob Wilhelm Marelius took up the position as postmaster.
There's a note about Siri Aurora in the Vaxholm parish records vol. AI/21 (1876-80) p. 45 that she is of Roman Catholic faith and "is said to be married in Germany".
Johan Jacob Wilhelm and Selma Augusta married in Gävle on May 6 1850 (Gävle Heliga Trefaldighet vol. CII/35 img 29).
According to the Gävle arrival records, Johan Jacob Wilhelm came there from Tierp parish in April 1843. I haven't been able to find him in the departure records from Tierp parish. Since his birth place is given as Stockholm, not specifying the parish, it will be a tedious and time-consuming work trying to find out more.
Selma Augusta was born in Vall, Torsåker parish, on July 4th 1820 (Torsåker vol. C/5 img. 80).  Parents were the tax clerk in the county administration (Swedish häradsskrivare) Johan Erik Engström and his wife Christina Elisabeth Cornelius.  Johan Erik was born Jan. 16 1783 and Christina Elisabeth Dec. 22 1782 (Torsåker vol. AI/15b p. 41).

2020-04-15, 19:28
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Johan Jacob Wilhelm's family lived in the Europa quarter of the old town in 1820, close to the castle, acc. to the tax records1. His parents were skomakarmästare (master shoemaker) E Marelius, born 1790-02-27, and Ulrika Gustava, born in May 1786 -- no places given. He also had two younger siblings. They are also mentioned in the husförhörslängd (household records)2, but the information is as brief ...

Johan Jacob Wilhelm was born 1815-04-19, and from his birth notice3 we get a first name for his father: Erik, and a last name for his mother: Kröling.

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1 Överståthållarämbetet för uppbördsärenden, År 1820, SE/SSA/0031/06/G 1 BA/G 1 BA:28/20 (1820), bildid: A0057181_01602, nr 1251
2 Storkyrkoförsamlingen (A, AB) AI:10 (1819-1821) Bild 64 / Sida 58 (AID: v90444.b64.s58, NAD: SE/SSA/0016)
3 Storkyrkoförsamlingen (A, AB) CIa1:15 (1815-1829) Bild 110 / Sida 13 (AID: v90678a.b110.s13, NAD: SE/SSA/0016)

2020-04-15, 20:05
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In October 1809, Ulrika Gustava Kröling, born in Västerås 1786-03-19, comes from Hedvig Eleonora1 (another parish i Stockholm).
In October 1811, Erik Marelius, shoemakers apprentice, born in Kopparberg 1790-02-27, comes from Örebro to Stockholm2.

Erik and Ulrika Gustava were married in St Nikolai (the main church in Stockholms Old Town) on January 24th 18153.

Erik dies 1826-12-284, of "lungsot" (TBC?). Ulrika Gustava remarries a few years later.

mvh /staffan

1 Storkyrkoförsamlingen (A, AB) BIa:2 (1808-1810) Bild 64 / Sida 119 (AID: v90582.b64.s119)
2 Storkyrkoförsamlingen (A, AB) BIa:3 (1811-1813) Bild 40 / Sida 71 (AID: v90583.b40.s71)
3 Storkyrkoförsamlingen (A, AB) EIa:6 (1800-1823) Bild 1140 / Sida 220 (AID: v90714a.b1140.s220)
4 Storkyrkoförsamlingen (A, AB) FIa:5 (1820-1834) Bild 990 / Sida 189 (AID: v90749.b990.s189)

2020-04-15, 21:03
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Ulrika Gustavas parents were sadelmakarmästaren (master saddler) Carl Magnus Kröling and Ulrica Regina Ekman1.

Erik Marelius has been mentioned here at Anbytarforum before. Acc. to that discussion he was born in Ljusnarsberg (at the time known as Nya Kopparberg), the son of organisten (organ player in church) Johannes Marelius and Britta Maria Öhman. I have not (yet) found a birth notice for him -- but he's mentioned in the household records2 with the right birthdate,

mvh /staffan

1 Västerås Domkyrkoförsamling (U) C:7 (1775-1788) Bild 243 (AID: v74778.b243, NAD: SE/ULA/11727), #31/1786
2 Ljusnarsberg (T) AI:11 (1785-1804) Bild 11 / Sida 3 (AID: v51879.b11.s3, NAD: SE/ULA/10860)

2020-04-16, 08:51
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Siri Aurora's maternal grandmother, Christina Elisabeth Cornelius, was born in Gävle Dec. 23 1782. Her parents was the chief mate (seconde capitaine in French) Cornelius Cornelison and his wife Catharina Ersdotter (Gävle Heliga Trefaldighet vol. CI/6 p 229).

2020-04-16, 11:40
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I'm so glad you found so many elements in such a short time !
I thank you sincerely KG Hammarlund and Staffan Bergh
Marie-Madeleine CLAIRIN

2020-04-16, 21:40
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Carl Magnus Kröling is said to be born in Norrköping in 1748, coming from there in 1775, married in 1778, and dies 1794-04-091, 2, 3. There is no obvious candidate birth notice in Norrköping -- he may have come from there, but taken the name as he moved (craftsmen often did), and there are a number of Carl Magnuses born in 1748 in Norrköping -- but the name is a bit unusual, and the candidates do have last names already. Or it may be that he wasn't born in 1748, or not in Norrköping. Un mystère intéressant, je vais donc en chasser un peu plus pour lui ... :)

His wife, Ulrica Regina Ekman, born 1756-07-19, is the daughter of Hans Ekman and Brita Stina Rubin4.

A bientôt /staffan



1 Västerås Domkyrkoförsamling (U) AIa:6a (1785-1794) Bild 46 (AID: v74685.b46, NAD: SE/ULA/11727)
2 Västerås Domkyrkoförsamling (U) EI:2 (1775-1846) Bild 14 (AID: v74793.b14)
3 Västerås Domkyrkoförsamling (U) F:3 (1790-1803) Bild 93 / Sida 90 (AID: v74801.b93.s90)
4 Västerås Domkyrkoförsamling (U) C:4 (1732-1757) Bild 182 / Sida 177 (AID: v74775.b182.s177)
5 (death of Hans Ekman) Västerås Domkyrkoförsamling (U) F:2 (1775-1789) Bild 38 / Sida 33 (AID: v74800.b38.s33)



Ahnentafel so far, with Johannes Marelius' ancestors added, from Muncktells book on the priests of Västerås diocese -- take them with a grain of salt, it's data from the 1840-ies! Also some data off the thread on Marelius I linked to before, and some quick surfing through the church books. All of this should really be checked over ...

1. Marelius,  Siri Aurora, *1857-07-31, Gävle Heliga Trefaldighet, ✝1917-11-12

2. (f) Marelius, Johan Jacob *Wilhelm*, *1815-04-19, Storkyrkoförsamlingen
3. (m) Engström, Selma *Augusta*, *1820-07-04, Vall, Torsäker

4. (ff) Marelius, Erik, *1790-02-27, Ljusnarsbergsgården, Nya Kopparberg (Ljusnarsberg), d. 1826-12-28; skomakarmästare
5. (fm) Kröling, Ulrica Gustava, *1786-03-19, Västerås

6. (mf) Engström, Johan Erik, *1783-01-16; häradsskrivare
7. (mm) Cornelius, Christina Elisabeth, *1782-12-22, Gävle

8. (fff) Marelius, Johannes, *1755-01-12, ✝1809; organist (organist/organiste)
9. (ffm) Öhman, Britta Maria, *1759-08-29, Laxbro, Ljusnarsberg

10. (fmf) Kröling, Carl Magnus, *1748?, Norrköping?, ✝1794-04-09, Västerås; sadelmakarmästare
11. (fmm) Ekman, Ulrica Regina, *1756-07-19, Västerås

14. (mmf) Cornelison, Cornelius, styrman (chief mate/seconde capitaine)
15. (mmm) Ersdotter, Catharina

16. (ffff) Marelius, Gabriel Persson, *1719-12-10, Stora Mellösa, ✝1804-06-15; organist/klockare (sexton/sacristain) in Ljusnarsberg
17. (fffm) Sernander, Christina, *1721-11-01

18. (ffmf) Öhman, Erik, *1733-04-13
19. (ffmm) Persdotter, Maria, *1733-08-03

22. (fmmf) Ekman, Hans, *1715, Uppland
23. (fmmm) Rubin, Britta Stina, *1718-04-13, Västerås

32. (fffff) Nyman, Per; ryttare
33. (ffffm) Nilsdotter, Karin

34. (fffmf) Sernander, Johan, *1690-08-09, Lima, ✝1754-03-01, Ljusnarsberg; komminister (curate/curé)
35. (fffmm) Swedman, Maria, *1697, ✝1778-08-29

36. (ffmff) Öhman, Johan
37. (ffmfm) Knutsdotter, Maria, *1706-09-23

46. (fmmmf) Rubin, Hans Joakim, linnevävare? (linen weaver?/tisserand de lin?)
47. (fmmmm) Matsdotter, Maria

68. (fffmff) Sernander, Johannes Erici/Johan Eriksson, *1660-04-21, Särna, ✝1697-06-15, Lima; kyrkoherde (vicar/vicaire)
69. (fffmfm) Näsman, Maria, *1659, Lima, ✝1711-05-07, Fläckebo

70. (fffmmf) Swedonius, Joannes/Jöns, *1644, Svedvi, ✝1720-02-01; komminister
71. (fffmmm) Matsdotter, Kerstin

72. (ffmfff) Knistedt, Johan
73. (ffmffm) Lindberg, Britta

136. (fffmfff) Wallenius, Ericus Michaelis/Erik Mikaelsson, *1620-02, Våla
137. (fffmffm) Israelsdotter, Margareta, f 1626, Ore, ✝1697, Orsa

138. (fffmfmf) Nederstadius, Johannes Næsboethii, *1616, Nedersta, Tortuna, ✝1688-10-08, Lima; kyrkoherde
139. (fffmfmm) Orostander, Britta, *1625, ✝1700

140. (fffmmff) Kumblæus, Ericus Petri/Erik Persson, *1598, Kumla, ✝1647-04-21
141. (fffmmfm) Johansdotter, Maria

272. (fffmffff) Larsson, Michel; klockare

274. (fffmffmf) Dalander, Israel Andræ/Israel Andersson, ✝1666-09-30, Ore; kyrkoherde
275. (fffmffmm) Andersdotter, Maragareta, ✝1664

276. (fffmfmff) Larsson, (Näsbo?)
277. (fffmfmfm) Göransdotter, Kerstin

278. (fffmfmmf) Pauli, Hermannus/Pålsson, Herman (took the name Orostander), *1593, ✝1664-04-20, Lima; kyrkoherde
279. (fffmfmmm) Sewallius, Kerstin, ✝1668-06-19

282. (fffmmfmf) Husbyensis, Johannes Jonæ/Johan Jonasson, ✝1640-10-08, Skultuna; kyrkoherde
283. (fffmmfmm) Josndotter, Barbro, ✝ after 1640

548. (fffmffmff) Gestricius, Andreas Holgeri/Holgersson, ✝1612; kyrkoherde

556. (fffmfmmff) Hermanni, Paulus/Hermansson, Pål, ✝1640, Lima; kyrkoherde
557. (fffmfmmfm) Staffansdotter, Britta

558. (fffmfmmmf) Olai, Olaus/Olofsson, Olof, ✝1626-09, Sewalla; kyrkoherde
559. (fffmfmmmm) Jonsdotter, Sigrid

564. (fffmmfmff) Helsingius, Jonas Petri/Pettersson, ✝1603-02-17, Husby; kyrkoherde
565. (fffmmfmfm) , Susanna?

2020-04-19, 10:47
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Hello Staffan,
Do you speak french... ?
I thank you for all these informations but i'm a bit lost ?
I send you the sheet i found in my software : GENEANET because i found now, new ancestors in old generations which are inside GENEANET by others descendants.
73 LINDBERG Britta was married three times it seems.
72 ? I think he is Erik Johansson Öhman
After 136, 137, ... I do not understand where they are in my tree. je suis une débutante en généalogie !

I'd like to say more about The KRÖLING if you can, and have time for this.

A bientôt, peut-être ?
Marie-Madeleine

2020-04-19, 16:34
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Salut!

(Mon français est très rouillé, maintenant - cela fait 20 ans que je le parle ... Je peux lire et, avec beaucoup d'aide de Google Translate, écrire -- but I think we should keep this in english, the modern lingua franca :) )

You're right -- I was a bit quick with assuming a father for Johan Öhman, born 1701. His birth notice does say his father is indeed Erik Öhman.

 So these rows in the Ahnentafel are changed (I also added some stuff on Johan Öhmans mother)
 
/ ... /

 72. (ffmfff) Öhman, Erik Johansson, ~1664-04-11, Ösby, Västerfärnebo, ✝1717-09-29, Laxbro, Ljusnarsberg
 73. (ffmffm) Lindberg, Britta

 / ... /
 
 144. Ersson, Johan
 145. ? (not mentioned in the birth notice)

 146. Hindersson, Michael
 147. van Gent, Maria

 / ... /

  294. van Gent, Barta

 / ... /
 

The baptism notice for Erik Johansson is in Västerfärnebo (U) EI:1 (1647-1692) Bild 420 / Fol 36v (AID: v72799a.b420.s37, NAD: SE/ULA/11712).

Something else my looking around turned up was the fact that the house that Johan was born in, Laxbrostugan, was later moved to the open air museum Skansen in Stockholm, so it still exists: https://digitaltmuseum.se/021057935309/laxbrostugan

The high numbers are all Johannes Marelii (#8) ancestors -- his mother was the daughter of a curé, with a lot of priests in his ancestry, and there are books listing all the priests since the reformation, sometimes before ...

As for the Krölings ... I'm working on those. I've turned up a number of other, contemporary, Krölings, and am trying to work out if they are family or just coincidence. No real news yet, though.

A bientôt /staffan

2020-05-03, 12:26
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Hi again! I posted about Carl Magnus Krölings ancestry in another topic here at Anbytarforum. It's in Swedish, though, so briefly summarized:

Carl Magnus K. was born in Stora Örsätter, a farm in Åtvid parish in Östergötland, 1746-10-03. His parents were Jonas Karlsson and Annika Johansdotter. I haven't tracked down their marriage, but it was probably in a neighboring parish in 1738.

Jonas was born 1711-02-04 in Stora Örsätter, parents Karl Olofsson (born about 1673, dead 1742 (buried 1742-05-23)) and Karin Persdotter. When Jonas died in 1750, his kids probably came under the guardianship of his brother Anders, who had taken the name Kröling a few years before.   

So, additions and corrections to the ahnentafel:


/ ... /

10. (fmf) Kröling, Carl Magnus, *1746-10-03, Stora Örsätter, Åtvid, ✝1794-04-09, Västerås; sadelmakarmästare

/ ... /

20. (fmff) Karlsson, Jonas, *1711-05-25, Stora Örsätter, Åtvid, ✝1750-02-04, in the same place
21. (fmfm) Johansdotter, Annika


/ ... /

40. (fmfff) Olofsson, Carl, *~1673, ✝1742-05-00, Stora Örsätter, Åtvid
41. (fmffm) Persdotter, Karin


/ ... /


Merci pour la bonne chasse! /staffan

2020-05-03, 18:54
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Merci à vous Staffan pour vos recherches !
J'ai été très émue de voir la maison d'un de mes ancêtres encore debout, au musée en plein air de Stockolm.  (I was very moved to see the house of one of my ancestors still standing)
Portez-vous bien (Take care)
Marie-Madeleine

 

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