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Författare Ämne: Translation of a marriage certificate  (läst 324 gånger)

2020-04-04, 08:00
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Hi I would like to know what the other words are that are on this record please.
It is the bottom record of the marriage on the 21 October 1944 between Willem Numan (my husbands grandfather's second marriage) and Anny Maria Svardman.
On another record that I found it indicated her first name was Gully, so I am confused.
Thank you hoping someone will help me.

2020-04-04, 09:21
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I couldn't make out every word, but:
First image: Numan, Willem, bakery worker, Dutch subject [...}
[f.g. might mean "first time", maybe first reading of banns]] with fruit seller 
Svärdman, Anny Maria, born Karlsson, Vikingagatan 7 divorced

Second image: Notification to Statistiska Centralbyrån according to file registration.

2020-04-04, 10:04
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Thank you it is starting to make some sense now. Much appreciate your help
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2020-04-04, 11:03
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Here's the records of their banns arrangement:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00051096_00112
(Matteus kyrkoarkiv, Lysningsböcker, SE/SSA/6024/E I a/43 (1944), bildid: 00051096_00112, sida 617)
And here I could see what I couldn't decode earlier: Willem was of Roman Catholic faith.
The bride's full name is given as Gully Anny Maria.
You also get their birth dates: Willem in Velsen, the Netherlands, 1902-05-23 and Gully Anny Maria in Maria Magdalena parish, Stockholm, 1902-07-20

2020-04-04, 11:21
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So her name is Gully. Is this a normal christian name? Thank you so much for your help it has cleared up the other record I found for her listing her birth. Unfortunately no parents were listed on this.
Havent been able to find any record of their deaths. Willem Numan definitely died in Sweden 2000+. Living to a very good age. Apart  from purchasing the death database listed on this website do you know of any other free site?
Thank you so much for translation
Pam

2020-04-04, 11:22
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Here's Gully (Gulli) Anny Maria's birth record (No. 534):
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00014972_00241
(Maria Magdalena kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, huvudserie, SE/SSA/0012/C I a/26 (1901-1902), bildid: 00014972_00241, sida 203)
Born out of wedlock, father unknown.
Mother: Beda Maria Eugenia Karlsson, unmarried, born 1874-05-27, Långholmen. Långholmen might been just an address, but the small island Långholmen was also where the prison with the same name was situated so maybe Beda Maria Eugenia was a prisoner?
Also a note: moved alone 1903-01-24 to Sala. Not entirely clear if it was the daughter or the mother that moved.
A possibility is that the daughter was placed in foster care in Sala for whatever reason - either because the mother was a prisoner or simply because being a single mother in 1902 was difficult and almost impossible if you had to work.

2020-04-04, 11:25
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You have been wonderful thank you so much for this information.
regards
Pam

2020-04-04, 11:27
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According to the the Swedish Institute for Language and Folklore, Gully or Gulli has been used as a nickname for Gunhild and Gunilla. Most common (but not necessarily common) as a given name in 1885-89, 1910-19 (1910-29).
http://www.isof.se/sprak/namn/personnamn/dagens-namn-i-almanackan/kalender/namnsdagar/namn-utanfor-kalendern/2014-04-13-gully-gulli.html

2020-04-04, 11:36
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Ok makes sense now like the Gold bit. I lived in Bendigo Victoria Australia for a long time all round the area are gullies where gold was found.
again thank you.
Pam

2020-04-04, 11:49
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went search in the archives found Gulli living with her mother in the 1910 census

2020-04-04, 11:55
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Yes, I suspect that one reason for the nickname was that there's a Swedish word "gullig" (from guld/gold), meaning "cute". Choosing "Gully" as the name for your cute newborn child makes sense.

Another fragment: I couldn't find Gully Anny Maria moving from Maria Magdalena parish in the 1903 records, but I found her mother (No. 48):
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00014752_00101
(Maria Magdalena kyrkoarkiv, Inflyttningslängder och diarier över inkomna personakter, SE/SSA/0012/B I/70 (1902), bildid: 00014752_00101, sida 105)
She was born in Ovansjö parish, Gävleborg county, 1874-05-27. Moved to Maria Magdalena parish 1902-01-20 from Adolf Fredrik parish, Stockholm, and from there to Kungsholms parish, Stockholm 1903-01-14.

Her birth record:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0014493_00014
(Ovansjö kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/HLA/1010151/C/9 (1874-1880), bildid: A0014493_00014)
Her parents were railway worker Börje Karlsson and his wife Johanna Apelquist from Sala.

The town Sala reappears - a possibility is that Gully Anny Maria went to live with her grandparents, a common solution for single mothers having to support themselves through work.

2020-04-04, 12:10
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Here's a great resource for tracking people in Stockholm 1878-1926:
https://sok.stadsarkivet.stockholm.se/Rotemannen2012/Search.aspx

There you can find Beda Maria Eugenia 1897-1904. Coincidence: 1897-99 she is a bakery worker, just as Willem was in 1944.

Later on she must have moved to Solna parish and married Oskar Edvard Nilsson, as stated in the census record you found - and Gully Anny Maria could return to her mother.

2020-04-04, 12:46
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When I posted this a few hours ago I never imagined the amount of information I now have. Huge thank you. If you have any Australian research I would be pleased to help you.
Again Thank you
Pam

2020-04-04, 12:46
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Thanks for the offer, but my only link to Australia is that a cousin on my mother's side lived there for a few years back in the 60's.

Beda Maria Eugenias parents in Sala:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00182453_00151
(Sala stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Församlingsböcker. Bunden serie, SE/ULA/11305/A II a/2 (1897-1908), bildid: 00182453_00151, sida 548)
Börje Karlsson, brewery worker, born 1840-04-12 in Seglora parish, Älvsborg county, died 1905-01-31. Married in 1873 with Johanna Maria Appelqvist, born 1849-06-08 in Sala.
At least six childrens beside Beda Maria Eugenia, whose daughter is registered as living with her grandparents.

Not much else to do right now due to covid-19 restrictions, so I'm happy to help! Also, I'm learning a lot about records that might help myself in the future.


2020-04-04, 13:17
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Johanna Maria was daughter of the mine worker Lars Erik Apelqvist and his wife Greta Jansdotter.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0020207_00258
(Sala stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11305/C/3 (1826-1860), bildid: C0020207_00258)

Most probably Lars Erik worked in the Sala silver mine ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sala_Silver_Mine ).

Lars Erik was born in Sala 1820-06-13 and Greta in Kila parish 1814-07-10. They had at least five children, born 1843-1854.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0020189_00086
(Sala stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11305/A I/17 c (1845-1855), bildid: C0020189_00086, sida 76)


Börje (Börge) Karlsson was born out of wedlock in Nybygget, Eskilsred, Seglora 1840-04-12. His mother was the widow Anna Börgesdotter. That he got the surname Karlsson suggests that his father was named Karl. He could have died, moved, or simply refused to acknowledge the child.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0045920_00062
(Seglora kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/GLA/13457/C/4 (1827-1860), bildid: C0045920_00062, sida 110)

Anna was born 1795-05-26. She had two children in her marriage and two born out of wedlock.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0045909_00072
(Seglora kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/GLA/13457/A I/14 (1835-1841), bildid: C0045909_00072, sida 120)





2020-04-04, 13:39
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Anna's parents:
Börje Nilsson (born 1761) and Berta Gunnesdotter (born 1769, from Hyssna parish) at Tomta, Seglora
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0045919_00107
(Seglora kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/GLA/13457/C/3 (1767-1826), bildid: C0045919_00107, sida 195)
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0045900_00029
(Seglora kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/GLA/13457/A I/5 (1797-1800), bildid: C0045900_00029, sida 39)

Börje was born 1761-07-17, son of Nils Ericsson and Kirsti Andersdotter in Tomta
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0045918_00178
(Seglora kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/GLA/13457/C/2 (1707-1766), bildid: C0045918_00178, sida 325)
Nils was born 1729-07-01 and Kirsti 1723-05-03
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0045897_00031
(Seglora kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/GLA/13457/A I/2 (1758-1778), bildid: C0045897_00031, sida 40)
Nils parents were Erik Nilsson and Brita Andersdotter.

I haven't been able to find Berta Gunnesdottter's birth record. Even if she moved from Hyssna to Seglora, she might have been born somewhere else.


2020-04-04, 15:05
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Lars Erik Apelquist's parents:
mine worker Nils Apelquist and his wife Sara Jacobsdotter
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0020206_00252
(Sala stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11305/C/2 (1775-1826), bildid: C0020206_00252)

Nils was born in Äppelbo parish 1794-08-22. Married in 1814 to Sara, born in Sala 1789-08-22
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0020177_00019
(Sala stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11305/A I/14 e (1816-1826), bildid: C0020177_00019, sida 10)

Nils' parents were Olof Ersson and Brita Ersdotter from Born, Äppelbo. He probably took the name Apelquist (literary: Apple branch) from his birth parish.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0014520_00052
(Äppelbo kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11789/C/3 (1775-1797), bildid: C0014520_00052)

Olof was born 1749-06-13 and Brita 1759-04-07
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0014500_00133
(Äppelbo kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11789/A I/4 (1775-1794), bildid: C0014500_00133, sida 122)

Olof's parents were Erik Olsson and Karen Larsdotter
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0014519_00041
(Äppelbo kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11789/C/2 (1734-1774), bildid: C0014519_00041, sida 63)

Erik was born in 1726 and Karen in 1725
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0014498_00076
(Äppelbo kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11789/A I/2 (1735-1758), bildid: C0014498_00076, sida 60)


Sara Jacobsdotter's parents were mine worker Jacob Jacobsson Holmstedt, born 1763-06-14 and his wife Stina Larsdotter, born 1759 in Bollnäs parish.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0020168_00224
(Sala stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11305/A I/11 b (1786-1795), bildid: C0020168_00224, sida 214)

Jacob's parents were Jacob Johansson and Sara Persdotter
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0020205_00104
(Sala stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11305/C/1 (1747-1774), bildid: C0020205_00104, sida 91)


About Lars Erik Apelquist's wife Greta Jansdotter:
Born in Kila, Västmanland county, 1814-07-30. Parents were farmer Jan Andersson and his wife Anna Persdotter at Högbo
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0009411_00139
(Kila kyrkoarkiv (U-län), Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/10524/C/4 (1775-1835), bildid: C0009411_00139, sida 129)
Jan (Johan) Andersson born in Kila 1790-11-03, Anna Persdotter born in Folkärna parish 1791-11-21
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0009390_00068
(Kila kyrkoarkiv (U-län), Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/10524/A I/10 (1811-1816), bildid: C0009390_00068, sida 56)

Jan's parents: Anders Larsson, born 1745-03-02 and Greta (Margareta) Jansdotter, born 1749-06-22
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0009385_00126
(Kila kyrkoarkiv (U-län), Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/10524/A I/5 (1775-1792), bildid: C0009385_00126, sida 34)

Anders's parents were Carl Andersson and Sara Jansdotter
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0009409_00040
(Kila kyrkoarkiv (U-län), Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/10524/C/2 (1732-1770), bildid: C0009409_00040)

No Greta or Margareta was born in June 1749, but a Margareta, daughter of Jan, was born on July 27, and it's probably her that we're after. Her parents were Jan Persson and Kerstin Jansdotter
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0009409_00050
(Kila kyrkoarkiv (U-län), Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/10524/C/2 (1732-1770), bildid: C0009409_00050)

more to follow...

2020-04-04, 17:43
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Death records for Wilhem and Gully Anny Maria from the Swedish Death Index 1901-2009 CD:



19020523-017
Numan, Wilhelm
Hauptvägen 120
Dead 12/8/1964.
Registered in Farsta, Stockholms stad (Stockholms stad, Södermanland).
Born 5/23/1902 (no place of birth)
Married man (1944).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2010: Farsta, Stockholms stad (Stockholms län, Södermanland)
Source records: DB / DOR 64 / UTD 61-67





19020720-0429
Numan, Gully Anny Maria
Hauptv 120 2 tr
123 58  Farsta
Dead 5/4/1979.
Registered (1976) in Farsta, Stockholms stad (Stockholms län, Södermanland). Registered for taxation (1976) in the same parish.
Born 7/20/1902 in Maria Magdalena (Stockholms stad, Uppland).
Widow (12/8/1964).
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Parish of birth in the records: Maria Magd. (Stockholm)
Source records: RTB 79 / SPAR 80


And information also from the Begravda i Sverige CD.  According to the CD there are also 2 others buried in the same grave named Per Erik Simeon Hedell burial date 15/2 1948 and his wife f. Lundmark, Ester Kristina O. Hedell burial date 20/3 1949.



1902-05-23-1700
Numan, Willam
f. 23/5 1902
Försäljare
Västerled, Stockholms stad, Stockholms stad
Död 8/12 1964
Begravd 19/3 1965
Stockholms norra begravningsplats, avd. 2, kv. 20B, nr. 356 (urna, nr 1 i graven)
Graven upplåten i evärdlig tid (upplåtelse nr 2)
Stockholms kyrkogårdsförvaltning (Stockholms stad, Stockholms län)
Box 9
121 25  JOHANNESHOV
Tel. 08-508 301 00
kyrkogardsforvaltningen@kyf.stockholm.se
Posten levererad 2008-08-25





1902-07-20-0429
Numan f. Karlsson, Gully Anny Maria
f. 20/7 1902
Fru
Farsta, Stockholms stad, Stockholms stad
Död 5/5 1979
Begravd 12/6 1979
Stockholms norra begravningsplats, avd. 2, kv. 20B, nr. 356 (urna, nr 2 i graven)
Graven upplåten i evärdlig tid (upplåtelse nr 2)
Stockholms kyrkogårdsförvaltning (Stockholms stad, Stockholms län)
Box 9
121 25  JOHANNESHOV
Tel. 08-508 301 00
kyrkogardsforvaltningen@kyf.stockholm.se
Posten levererad 2008-08-25

2020-04-04, 19:08
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A few more ancestors:

Lars Erik Apelqust's mother-in-law Anna Persdotter:
born at Björkån, Folkärna 1791-11-30, daughter of Pehr Erson f 1759 Brita Matsdr f 1758
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012506_00083
(Folkärna kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11247/C/4 (1762-1837), bildid: C0012506_00083)

Per (Pähr) born at Björkån, Folkärna 1759-01-28, son of Erik Larsson, b. 1722, and Carin Larsdotter, b. 1718
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012505_00324
(Folkärna kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11247/C/3 (1688-1761), bildid: C0012505_00324, sida 141)
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012474_00228
(Folkärna kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11247/A I/6 (1745-1759), bildid: C0012474_00228, sida 206)

Brita born at Nor, Folkärna 1758-01-30, daughter of the soldier Mats Andersson Dufwa, b.1719, and Anna Persdotter, b. 1729
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012505_00321
(Folkärna kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11247/C/3 (1688-1761), bildid: C0012505_00321)
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012474_00113
(Folkärna kyrkoarkiv, Dalarnas län, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11247/A I/6 (1745-1759), bildid: C0012474_00113, sida 95)


Lars Erik Apelquist's maternal grandmother Stina Larsdotter:
Stina was a common nickname for Christina or Kerstin. There were two Kerstin Larsdotter born in Bollnäs parish in 1759, on the 23rd and the 27th September.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/F0010331_00186
One would have to follow their paths through the records to see which one that ends up in Sala.

 

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