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Graham Hillocks:
I am looking for my Swedish ancestry but the details are scarce. Nils Svensson Roos was born on 17 October, 1849 in Mattmar, Jamtland before moving to Queensland in Australia.
His father, as far as I can find, was also possibly Nils Svensson born about 1824.
His mother may have been Elna Monson.
Graham H

Kristina Rylander:
Where did you get birth date and birth place for your Nils Roos?

According to Australia Death Index Nils Svenson Roos died in 1909:

Name:   Nils Svensen Roos
Death Date:   25 Oct 1909
Death Place:   Queensland
Father's name:   Nils Roos
Mother's name:   Karna
Registration Year:   1909
Registration Place:   Queensland
Registration Number:   001465
Page Number:   22504
Nils Svenson Roos was married to Elna Monsson according to their children birth records...se for example:

Name:   Nils Theodor Roos
Birth Date:   26 Jan 1881
Birth Place:   Queensland
Registration Year:   1881
Registration Place:   Queensland, Australia
Father:   Nils Swanson Roos
Mother:   Elino Monssan
Page Number:   12797
Registration Number:   006784


Nils and Elnas oldest son Carl was born in Sweden about 1871. Their next child was born in Queensland around 1874. They should then have emigrated between 1871-1874 and I actually found this passenger lists from Hamburg, Passenger Lists (via ancestry):

Name:   Carl Svensson
Gender:   männlich (Male)
Departure Age:   2
Birth Date:   abt 1871
Residence Place:   Malmö, Schweden
Departure Date:   30 Mrz 1873 (30 Mar 1873)
Departure Place:   Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Destination:   Queensland
Arrival Place:   Queensland
Relationship:   Sohn (Son)
Ship Name:   Herschel
Captain:   Friedrichs
Shipping Clerk:   Louis Knorr & Co.
Shipping Line:   Rob. M. Sloman & Co.
Ship Type:   Segelschiff
Ship Flag:   Deutschland
Accommodation:   Zwischendeck
Volume:   373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 028 A
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Niels Svensson   22
Elna Svensson   22
Carl Svensson   2
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1068&h=5868203&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=GZi2307&_phstart=successSource


They lived in Malmö at the time of emigration.


I can see that according to your family tree at ancestry you state that Elna was born September 25th 1852 in Löverstad...don't think that is correct..


I foudnd a family that could match the passenger list:


Nils Svensson born October 17th 1851 Svedala
Elna Månsdotter born June 21st 1851 Bosarp
Karl born April 19th 1871 Svedala


They emigrated to Australia from Malmö Sankt Petri March 21 1873.


Nils Svenssons father was named Sven Jönsson and his mother Karna Hansdotter according to the Svedala birth records, Svedala CI:4 (1822-1860) page 125.

Kristina Rylander:
Not sure if Carl really is Nils son...birth register says that he was born "oäkta" illegitimate to Elna Månsdotter.



I find Nils Svensson, Elna Månsdotter and Karl in Malmö Sankt Petri Aid:22 (1871-1875) page 126. Looks like Nils and Elna got married December 26th 1872. It is stated there that they emigrate to Australia March 21 1873.

Kristina Rylander:
So, I looked up Nils Svenssons parents at the time of his birth in 1851...it looks a little messy...


I think I have this right then...Nils father Sven Jönsson (born December 17th 1814 in Ugglarp) died October 13th 1851 (of unknown sickness according to death record). Nils mother Karna Hansdotter (born January 1st 1815 in Svedala) then remarries Nils Olsson Roos December 18th 1852...maybe that is where the name Roos comes from (Svensson from his birth father and Roos from his step-father)? Nils Olsson Roos was born April 3rd 1823 in Genarp. He was a "husar".


Svedala AI:11 (1848-1857) page 363
Svedala AI:12 (1858-1861) page 458


Note: When Nils Svensson emigrates with Elna and Karl from Malmö in 1873 I find that they actually lived with Nils mother and her husband Nils Olsson Roos. Nils Roos and Elna (and children) moved from Svedala to Malmö Caroli in 1865, Svedala AI:13 (1862-1867) page 477. They move from Malmö Caroli to Malmö Sankt Petri in 1872.


What do you think? How strong is your source for the birth date Oct 17th 1849 and birth place Mattmar, Jämtland...?

Kristina Rylander:
One more thing...I looked up Elna Månsdotter at the time of when she might have gotten pregnant with Karl...and she works as a "piga" at farm in Svedala and I also found Nils Svensson as a "dräng" there at the same time...so it is theoretically possible that Karl could be Nils Svenssons son...Svedala AI:14 (1868-1877) page 256.

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