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Författare Ämne: Help finding 3rd great grandfather's records as a child who was born illegitimate to a pauper  (läst 892 gånger)

2018-02-14, 20:21
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Utloggad George Lind

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My third great grandfather Pehr Rasmusson was born illegitimate in Brandstad on Dec 10 1797.  His mother was Gertrud Torkelsdotter but I do not know who the father is.  Gertrud and Pehr show up in the 1803 Brandstad household examination record.  He is 5 years old.  After that  year I cannot find any record of him until he is 15 and living in Brandstad with another family.  Gertrud is listed as a pauper and she in listed evey year in Brandstad until she dies in 1832. I have searched for her sisters and brothers in that time period and he is not found with any of them.  Would he have been sent to an orphanage?  Would he have still been in Brandstad and just not listed?  Would the child have been taken from her? Were there any orpahages in that area?  Is there any way to find the father's name?  I have been researching this for months and would appreciate any advice.
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2018-04-01, 08:56
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Utloggad Marianne Karlsson

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You wrote "when he is 15 and living with Another family" Do you know page number i the book for Brandstad?

2018-04-01, 15:32
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Thank you for your reply.  Pehr was 15 years old and living with Carl Thedin and his family.
He is listed as a boy in 1813 and then as a farm hand in 1814.  He leaves for Öved in 1814.
From then on he is moving around working on different farms in different parishes until he marries.
I don't believe that there is any family relationship between Carl Thedin an Pehr.  It is interesting to
note that Carl Thedin takes in Pehr's mother, Gertrud Torkelsdotter, around 1816 and she lives with him and his family until she dies.

Brandstad (M) AI:2 1812-1818 Image 9 / Page 11

Here is the info from that page
Brandstad 1813
    Brandstad (M) AI:2 1812-1818 Image 9 / Page 11
    Carl Thedin
    Kjerstina
    Bengta
    Pehr         Age 15 Dec 10 1797

Here is the info from the next year.
Brandstad 1814
    Brandstad (M) AI:2 1812-1818 Image 45 / Page 79
    Carl Thedin
    Kjerstina
    Bengta
    Pehr         Dec 10 1797    moves to Öved 1814

2018-04-01, 18:41
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Utloggad Kristina Gunnarsdotter

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Also interesting that Carl Thedin's wife Kerstin Persdotter dies only 5 days after Gertrud Torkelsdotter. They are buried the same day.

2018-04-01, 19:02
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Yes, I have been researching this for months and found a lot of interesting  information.
I suspect that Rasmus Bondesson is the father but I have no proof.  Mainly because he was the only Rasmus in the parish at that time and after he died Gertrud is listed as a widow even though she never married.  Maybe the priest knew and was leaving a clue.
Rasmus was Gertrud's brother in law.  Gertrud was fined by the church for having unmarried intercourse but no man was fined.
But all of this is purely circumstantial.  We may never know who the father was.

2018-04-01, 20:07
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Utloggad Kristina Gunnarsdotter

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I thought the same. Rasmus and Ingar had a daughter Elna the same year, October 11.

The inventory for Rasmus is here:
Färs häradsrätt FIIa:36 (1819-1819) Bild 2270 / sid 59 (AID: v157668.b2270.s59, NAD: SE/LLA/10016)

2018-04-01, 20:38
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I have seen this.  Rasmus had a son with his wife he named Pehr in 1801.  Seems like he was trying to replace the illegitimate son with a legitimate one.

 

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