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2016-05-12, 22:10
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Utloggad Carol Larson

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I am looking for information (parents, siblings, grandparents, etc.) for Maria Matilda Johnson, born in Hjartum August 13, 1864.  Emigrated to America June 10, 1890, from Goteborgs.  Maria Matilda married John August Larson in Minnesota (USA).  Thank you.

2016-05-13, 07:47
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Hello!
There must be something wrong about Maria Mathilda. You are quite right when it comes to a posting at the migration register that there should have been an emigration for her the date given by you, but there is also a note, which I have not been able to find.

Nevertheless the Maria Mathilda Johansdotter born in Hjärtum marries in 1895-03-12 a Svante Augustsson Johansson.

Maria has a boy born 1888-04-07 in Göteborgs Haga parish.

As far as I have followed the family they still live together in Gothenburg in 1910.

Perhaps, if you scrutinize your information more closely you will find another clue to your Maria Mathilda.

Greetings
Lasse


2016-05-13, 17:03
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Thank you.  But this turns out not to be my Maria Matilda.

2016-05-13, 18:14
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Maria Matilda Jonsdotter may have been born in Trollhatten.  The information I received two years ago gave her birthdate as August 13, 1864 in Hjartum, Alvsborgs Ian (Bohuslan).  She emigrated June 10, 1890, from 15 Rote 24G, Goteborgs domkyrkofors, Goteborgs och Bohus lan (Vastergotland) to America.  Married John August Larson in 1894 in Minnesota (USA) and died in Chicago in 1899.  She is listed as a dressmaker. 

2016-05-13, 22:30
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You are quite right that there is an item in one of the programs showing emigrations, but as I said there is also a note enclosed. I have not found that note, but I  have also not found an item at Gothenburg police force (which registered all emigrations) of a ship on the date given in the item in the CD.

As to Hjärtum, there is only one person born on the day given, and that is the one I have followed to the end. But of, course I will have a look on Trollhättan also, to see if she might be there.

Lasse

2016-05-14, 07:49
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Hello!
Yes, you are right, the Maria Mathilda who I am showing you is not the person you are searching for. My Maria Mathilda dies in Gothenburg as follows;
 18640813
 
Johansson f. Johansdotter, Maria Matilda
 
Ö.Haga 35 B & C
 
Död 3/9 1911.
 
Kyrkobokförd i Göteborgs Haga, Göteborgs stad (Göteborgs och Bohus län, Västergötland).
 
Född 13/8 1864 i Hjärtum (Älvsborgs län, Bohuslän).
 
Gift kvinna (17/3 1895).
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Motsvarande folkbokföringsförsamling(ar) 1/1 2014:
Göteborgs Haga, Göteborgs kn (Västra Götalands län, Västergötland)
 
Födelseförsamling i källan:
Hjärtum (Älvsborgs län)
 
Källor:
DB HFL
I also have scrutinized the answer you got two years ago, and it seems that I have looked at the same "emigration notice" as they did then.

But you have to observe that there is no boat, no emigration number or other information giving us a clue that she really went away. And, the house hold examination in 1890 has an addendum telling us that in 1891 she moved to another parish, Gothenburg Kristine.

From there on you can follow her through her marriage and up to her death in 1911.

So I am sorry, you must have got the wrong information two years ago, and to continue researching there must be more information.

Greetings
Lasse

2016-05-14, 18:07
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Carol, I Think you should start all over again. What are you absolutely sure about concerning this couple in US?
I guess you have the name, place and birth year of their Child/Children?
Do you know more about John August Larson? Year of birth and Death? Have you found them on findagrave?
Are you sure about name Maria Matilda?
I haven´t seen your question/answer 2 years ago mentioned by Lars, that´s why I´m asking.   

2016-05-14, 19:43
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Thank you for your response.  Maria Matilda Johnson (Johnsdotter), according to family oral history, was born in or was from Trolhattan.

John August and Mathilda Johnson were married on 4 June 1894 in St. Paul, Minnesota.  Maria Matilda died 19 June 18990 in Chicago and is buried at the Bohemian National Cemetery there.

John August was born in Lyrestad on 18 June 1862.  Emigrated 1888 from Raglanda, Lyretad, Skarabors lan.  John was the son of Lars Johan Johansson, mother Beata Andersdotter.  Children were Christina, Lovisa, Carl Johan, Johan August, Frans and Charlota.

I hope this information is helpful in finding out more.  Thanks you again.
 

2016-05-17, 21:20
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Carol, I have a new candidate: this Maria Matilda Johansson
was born 1863-02-28 in Gothenburg (Gbgs Domkyrkoförsamling) and left Sweden 1892-09-22 (acc. to Emibas) Household exam; Göteborg Haga AI:12 p 2506/2507.
Father Carl Johan Johansson born in Alingsås. Mother Carolina Niklasdotter born in Ytterby.
No Connection to Trollhättan found but she has at least four siblings. Perhaps anyone was living near that Town?
She gave birth to a daughter Gertrud in 1888 in Gothenburg but she stayed as foster Child with grandparents, but died in 1909. No father was mentioned.
Maria Matilda Johanson and one brother had the "extra name" Arén. She is not found in Swedish Deaths, so ikely stayed in US
Perhaps this women can be found in US, either confirmed or dismissed to be the one you are looking for?

2016-05-17, 23:06
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Interesting.  It could very well be the greatgrama we are looking for.  Thank you for your help.

2016-05-19, 17:29
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A couple of questions.  The only "for sures" I have about Maria Matilda is that she was married in Minnesota in 1894 and died in Chicago in 1899.  The age of this Maria Matilda fits.  I would like to find out more about her parents, siblings and daughter.  And when and how she emigrated.  And what do you mean about the "extra name" Aren.  Where does that fit in.  And thank you again for your patience and your persistence.  Carol

2016-05-19, 18:08
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From Ellis Island
Intended destination : New Haven

2016-05-19, 22:21
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Carol, you are sure about one more thing (and confirmed in US Census) this first wife of John Larson had two Children:
Frances b 20/8 1894 and Arvid b 4/9 1897 as they lived together with the brother "Esadore" /Isidore later on. Right?
When finding Frances birth note in Familysearch it says her mother is Mathilda Marie Myblom and the same for Arvid´s birth says Mother Marie Nyblom (correct Swedish Spelling I Think). But why is John marrying "Mathilda Johnson"?
This MM Nyblom might live in Chisago, Rushseba, Minnesota already in 1870 together with parents Hans and Marie and
siblings Frank, Aleck, Victor and Hildra. The surname Changes between Nyblom, Neblom, Nyblam.......
Perhaps "Hans" is short for Johan or Johannes and the daughter called herself Johnson. What do you Think?
I guess Frances died in 27/8 1980, buried at Acacia Park.
Terri Woolf gave the facts about that, according to familysearch. Could it be any help?

2016-05-20, 16:38
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Oh, my!  Johnson, Aren, and now Nybloom.  I think I need a private detective!  I will look through the records I have once again.  The "Johnson" came from oral history (a granddaughter of John August).  More investigation is in order.  Thank you.

2016-05-21, 23:33
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Hi Carol, this is probably the Marie Nyblom that Marianne found in the 1870 census, from the Emibas CD:

Post 966602
Hansdotter Nyblom, Marie
Dotter (unmarried woman)
b. 8/31/1863 in Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland)
Emigrated 7/6/1867 from 6:E Kvarteret, Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland) to Nordamerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 157
Emibas migration file ID: Gävle X 1867 015

And these are her parents and siblings, also from the Emibas CD:

Post 966598
Nyblom Andersson, Hans
Bolagsarbetare (married man)
b. 9/24/1819 in Torsåker
Emigrated 7/6/1867 from 6:E Kvarteret, Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland) to Nordamerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 157
Emibas migration file ID: Gävle X 1867 011

Post 966599
Blank, Maria Andriette
Hustru (married woman)
b. 7/6/1823 in Hille, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland)
Emigrated 7/6/1867 from 6:E Kvarteret, Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland) to Nordamerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 157
Emibas migration file ID: Gävle X 1867 012

Post 966600
Hansson Nyblom, Anders Fredrik
Son (unmarried man)
b. 2/5/1855 in Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland)
Emigrated 7/6/1867 from 6:E Kvarteret, Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland) to Nordamerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 157
Emibas migration file ID: Gävle X 1867 013

Post 966601
Hansson Nyblom, Erik Niclas
Son (unmarried man)
b. 11/24/1859 in Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland)
Emigrated 7/6/1867 from 6:E Kvarteret, Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland) to Nordamerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 157
Emibas migration file ID: Gävle X 1867 014

Post 966603
Hansdotter Nyblom, Hulda Cathrina
Dotter (unmarried woman)
b. 2/25/1866 in Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland)
Emigrated 7/6/1867 from 6:E Kvarteret, Gävle, Gävleborgs län (Gästrikland) to Nordamerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 157
Emibas migration file ID: Gävle X 1867 016


2016-05-21, 23:40
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Here's a marriage record for John Larson and Maria Mathilda Nyblom from the Cook County marriages index at familysearch.com.

Name  Johan Aage Larson 
Age  30 
Birth Year (Estimated)  1862 
Birth Date  1862 
Spouse's Name  Maria Mathilda Nyblom 
Spouse's Age  26 
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)  1866 
Spouse's Birth Date  1866 
License Type  Marriage 
Event Date  23 Aug 1892 
Event Place  Chicago, Cook, Illinois

2016-05-22, 16:00
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Hello again Carol, I think that Mathilda Maria Nyblom is not your relative.  Here she is with John Larson and their children in the 1900 census, Mathilda Maria was still alive then so she can't be the right person since your Mathilda Maria died in 1899.  Also since you're certain that they were married in 1894 in Minnesota and they were married in 1892 in Chicago, they are not the correct John and Mathilda Maria Larson.

Marie LarsonUnited States Census, 1900 
Name  Marie Larson 
Event Type  Census 
Event Year  1900 
Event Place  Precinct 4 Jefferson Township Chicago city Ward 27, Cook, Illinois, United States 
Gender  Female 
Age  34 
Marital Status  Married 
Race  White 
Race (Original)  W 
Relationship to Head of Household  Wife 
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)  Wife 
Number of Living Children  2 
Years Married  8 
Birth Date  Jun 1866 
Birthplace  Sweden 
Marriage Year (Estimated)  1892 
Immigration Year  1889 
Father's Birthplace  Sweden 
Mother's Birthplace  Sweden 
Mother of how many children  2 
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HouseholdRoleGenderAgeBirthplace
John Larson HeadM37Sweden
Marie Larson WifeF34Sweden
Francis Larson DaughterF6Illinois
Arvid Larson SonM3Illinois

2016-05-22, 19:18
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This is the second wife, Sara Marie Sjo-holm.  She and John married in Chicago in 1899.  I don't think the other Maria Matilda that you sent information on is my Maria Matilda either.  Although the dates fit, the circumstances don't.  John and (the second) Maria had a son Harold, who married Elsie Myblom.  That's a coincidence.
 

2016-05-22, 21:04
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Carol, according to the US census in "familysearch" it was Arvid Sylvan Larson married to Elsie Ingegerd Myblom and with the daughter Virginia Lorraine born 1927.
Elsie Myblom born around 1893 in Gothenburg. That surname seemed so odd in my ears but perhaps it was right (I thought Nyblom was more accurate).
Perhaps that could lead to Mathilda Marie, as well.

2016-05-29, 22:12
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Marianne:  I think your reply No. 8 most closely matches the Maria Matilda I am looking for.  Can you provide more information:  How do we know the Matilda Aren who emmigrated is my Matilda?  I have more questions than answers.  Thank you.

2016-05-31, 08:16
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Carol, I will try to find facts about this Maria Matilda Johansdotter through his father´s death. Carl Johan Johansson b 1835-12-03 in Alingsås, died 1893-01-29 in Göteborg, Haga parish. Perhaps there is an "inventory of assets" to find.
This discussion is misplaced now so I´ll continue with a new entry, if needed, in Göteborg Haga.
Maria Matilda´s daughter Gertrud b 1888-10-05 died 1909-12-23 in Göteborg Karl Johan (parish).

2016-06-02, 19:21
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Carol, I know now that it isn´t your Maria Mathilda in Nr. 8.
This MM Johansson Arén was married to Axel Peterson in US according to the "obituaries" for her mother and daughter in Sweden. They died 1916 and 1909.

2016-06-02, 20:14
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So we are indeed back to square one.  How can we find out more information about "my" Maria Matilda?  All our clues have proved fruitless thus far.  I have marriage information for Mathilda and John Larson via familysearch.  They were married 4 June 1894 in St. Paul, Ramsey County, Minnesota.  I have death information via Ancestry which shows that she was born abt. 1864 in Sweden.  She died 19 June 1899 in Chicago IL and isburied at the Bohemian National Cemetery.  She was 35 when she died.  I have a birth record for Arvid Sylvanus Larson, their son, which states that his mother, "Marie Matilda" was born in Trollhattan Sweden.  Maria Matilda was 33 at the time of his birth.  However, since this birth was not registered until 1946, I believe the information was likely provided by Arvid's daughter, Virginia.  I have no one left alive who would have any information about Maria Matilda.  I am hoping you can delve further into my Maria Matilda and come up with some answers--any answers--about her family.  thank you so much.

2016-06-08, 08:01
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Carol, if the names (like Myberg....) were mixed-up between Arvid and his wife and their parents; mixed up by Arvid´s daughter Virginia - then "Trollhättan" could be as well, I guess?   I could put a Query under Trollhättan here but perhaps it is all wrong?
What do you know for sure about Arvid´s wife Elsie Ingegerd (acc. familysearch)? Her parents? Born where? In Sweden?

Could you perhaps get any information about Maria Matilda´s date of birth from newspaper in 1899 or from cemetery register, if asking there?

2016-06-10, 07:44
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Carol, I Think I´ve found Elsie Nyblom´s family in Sweden (the wife of Arvid Larson). I will continue in a new entry under Västergötland, Väne-Åsaka parish .Please answer there, if you want me to give you more info about her. She immigrated 1903 together with her mother, her younger sister Inez, the stepfather Ernest Anderson and lived in Nebraska.  Her Swedish name was Elsa Ingegerd Johnson Nyblom.

2016-08-30, 21:17
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I'm sorry.  I don't know how to follow the thread elsewhere.  Please tell me what to do and where to look.  I am still searching for Maria Mathilda Johnson, born 1864 in what I thought was Trollhatten..  Can we follow her back from the marriage certificate?

2016-08-31, 19:14
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I've been doing some thinking and I now believe that my Matilda Maria Nyblom and John August Larson married in Chicago and not Minnsota as I first believed..  The date of the Chicago marriage is 23 August 1892.  So now we need more information on this Matilda Maria.  I don't know where the "johnsdotter" came from.  It now appears that Matilda Maria and her family emigrated much earlier than the 1890s.  And she may have indeed been born in Trollhatten.  Any further research would be greatly appreciated. 

2016-08-31, 22:49
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Hejsan Lars!
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Den 13 maj, 2016 anger du att paret Maria Matilda Johansdotter och Svante Augustsson Johansson, gifte sig, 12 mars, 1895.
Var gifte paret sig?
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Hälsningar Monica E Nilsson :D


2016-09-01, 00:12
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I'm sorry.  English, please.


2016-09-01, 17:19
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Not my couple.  I believe, now, that it is Matilda Maria Nyblom and John August Larson, married 1892 in Chicago. 

2016-09-01, 21:10
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I agree, I Think Carl Wolf was right in answer #15.
In #16: in census they must have mixed the two wifes: the 2 Children and marriage year was first wife. Age and perhaps immigration year was second wife?
One problem is that these questions now is misplaced, "Johnson and Hjartum" and many names and dates (incl.from me) are totally incorrect in this thread.
Maria Matilda Nyblom born 1863/1864 near Trollhättan and married in Illinois 1892.

2016-09-01, 23:48
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I know.  I'm sorry.  The information from two years ago is now off base, and I think we are back to Trollhatten for this Maria Matilda Nyblom.  I will have to revise my whole family tree!  Thanks in advance for any information on this Maria Matilda, and where perhaps the "Johnson" originated.

2016-09-06, 08:55
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Carol, to find my info mentioned in #24 and #25 in this forum: choose "Landskap" - "Västergötland" - "Socknar" - "Väne-Åsaka".

Arvid´s wife Elsie Nyblom was born near Trollhättan and is then found in Nebraska.  Perhaps you can trace her in Nebraska. How did they meet? Perhaps there was connection in earlier generation. I see several families leaving Sweden for Oakland in Nebraska. As it was quite a small Place perhaps you can find something there in their archives or newpapers from 1860-1890.
To be able to find Maria Matilda in Sweden you have to know her birth date. Could you Contact any authority regarding Death certificate or something like that for the person that FOR SURE was the mother of Florence and Arvid?

2020-08-23, 18:59
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Looking for parents and siblings of LARS JOHAN JOHANSSON, born 24 January1827 in Lyrestad, died 9 October 1915, Lyrestad.  Thank you.


2020-08-23, 23:40
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Looking for parents and siblings of LARS JOHAN JOHANSSON, born 24 January1827 in Lyrestad, died 9 October 1915, Lyrestad.  Thank you.
Wondering about Lars Johan Johansson. Where does he fit in? It's not the Lars Johan Johansson in your answer #7.
Mvh Anti

2020-12-30, 18:16
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Looking for any information on Johan Johansson, spouse Greta Larsdotter, both born in Sweden in the 1790s. Had at least one son, Lars Johansson, born 1827.

2021-02-01, 18:44
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Is there any information regarding my last two  posts?  (#34 and #35)


2021-02-01, 19:41
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According to the church records no one was born in Lyrestad on January 24, 1827. Nor did anyone die on October 9, 1915. And no Lars Johan Johansson was born on any day in 1827 in Lyrestad, or died on any day in 1915.

Johan Johansson and Greta Larsdotter are extremely common names. It's like looking för needles in a haystack without more information.
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2021-02-01, 22:18
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At first I just looked at the posts you refered to, but now I have read the earlier posts as well.

Johan August Larsson was born in Lyrestad on June 19, 1862 (Lyrestad C:3; https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0023085_00028). Parents: Lars Johan Johansson and Beata Andersdotter. But the birth record says that the family actually lived in Hassle, and a note was sent to the priest there. So he's noted in the birth record in Hassle too (Hassle C:6; https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00073137_00012), but here his birth date is June 18.

Hassle is the main parish in what is called a pastorat in Swedish, which is parishes with the same priest. It's common that the parish name noted as the place a person is born in or moving to or from is the main parish of the pastorat, when in fact the person comes from one of the other parishes in the pastorat. In this case the family is living in Sörshyttlan in Enåsa parish (Enåsa AI:8, page 43; https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00073069_00048).

Here you can see that the father Lars Johan Johansson was born in "H." (Hassle) on July 24, 1827. And there is a child with that name that day in Hassle birth record (Hassle C:5, page 143; https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0050633_00081). Parents: Johan Johansson, crofter (torpare) at Kvarntorp (old spelling Qvarntorp), and his wife Greta Larsdotter.

Kvarntorp is also a place in Enåsa parish (Enåsa AI:5, page 11; https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0049987_00015). It says here that Johan is born in "H." (Hassle) on October 15, 1802. And Greta in "Frdsbrg" (Fredsberg) on January 21, 1797.

But never trust birth dates and birth places in household examination records. Always follow the persons back through earlier records.
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