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Författare Ämne: Mossebo AI:1 (1774-1834)  (läst 1796 gånger)

2016-03-02, 09:45
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Hello, I was hoping someone could figure out better than me where Johanna Nilsdotter (b.1819) went in about 1831, so I can continue following her through the records.  It is pg. 25, image 352.  Thank you, Eli

2016-03-02, 12:04
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Johanna Nilsdotter came fr(om) Dahlen (page 29) but it does not say where she went. Sorry!
Maybe someone else knows?  
 
Her parents moved to Öraholm in Båraryd parish, Jönköpings län, 1834/1835. (Her father chipped? millstones)
Villstad C:4 (1809-1812) Bild 101 / sid 197 (AID: v36477.b101.s197, NAD: SE/VALA/00417)
Gislaved AI:6 (1816-1835) Bild 203 / sid 199 (AID: v19957.b203.s199, NAD: SE/VALA/00096)
 
 
 
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2016-03-02, 21:29
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Thank you Marianne,  
Her parents were my 4th great grandparents, and I was missing where they went during that time period (1834-1841) in the records.  It said that he chipped millstones?  Does that mean that he made them, or did he do maintenance on them?  I thought he was just a soldier.  I guess Johanna will remain a mystery - it seems like she was awfully young to be going off on her own.  Thanks again, Eli

2016-03-02, 22:56
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Eli,
 
It says on the page 29 that Johanna Nilsdotter moved to Malsbo (Mossebo AIa:1 (1774-1834) bild 387/s.29, AID: v14989.b387.s29)
 
You can find her there, Johanna Nilsdotter (Mossebo AIa:1 (1774-1834), bild 383/s.25, AID: v14989.b383.s25)
 
Here parents moved to Örnaholm, where he made millstones (Gislaved AI:6, page 203/s.199)
 
Nils Svensson Roth, born March, 19, 1782, was a soldier from March 2, 1812 to May 26, 1819. Length 5 feet, 8 inch tall. He stopped as a soldier because of illnes. His wife Catharina, was daughter of soldier nr 818 Johan Stenberg. The daughter Maja Stina married the soldier Johannes Ny in Nygården. The son Magnus became soldier nr 33 with the name Gadd at Öreryd in the county of Jönköping. (Source: Norra Kinds kompanis indelta soldater by Ingvar Hallqvist)
 
By the way, the place where he worked, where they were making the millstones still exists. You can see the remains in the ground in the wood, deep holes in the ground and some remains of millstones. My uncle told me about the place and I visited it not so long time ago.
 
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2016-03-03, 00:16
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Anneli
 
Is it this millstone quarry in Båraryd parish?
 
Fornsök, Riksantikvarieämbetet
 
Open the PDF-file for description (in Swedish).
 
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2016-03-03, 18:29
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Stefan,
There are apparently more than one in the neigbourhood. I had the one at Norrgården in Örnaholm in mind.
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2016-03-03, 21:05
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That part of my family has a lot of soldiers in it.  Magnus Gadd was my 3rd great grandfather.  Thank you for finding those details about Nils Roth.  It looks like there are a lot more sources of information out there than I know about.  They even give his height - 5' 8 is typical in my family.  It's pretty amazing that kind of information still exists.  And that's cool you can still see the place that they made the millstones that long ago too.

2016-03-03, 23:40
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Anneli:
I missed that, and I think Norrgården is the right place.
 
Eli:
It doesn't make a big difference, but maybe it's worth mentioning. The Swedish foot and inch were slightly shorter than the imperial units.
5' 8 'in swedish' correspond to imperial 5' 6.
 
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2016-03-04, 22:49
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Well, that's still pretty consistent with my family.  I am 5' 10, but we have small frames in my family, and as far as height goes, I am the biggest, except for my one cousin who's over 6 ft., but that's from his mother's side.  I think people were probably a little bit smaller back then anyway.  But thanks for pointing that out.

2016-03-05, 09:56
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Soldier nr 33 Magnus Nilsson Gadd  
Soldierhome called Gaddes after 1839. He was soldier there from 1839 to 1869.  
Born Aug 10, 1816 in Dalstorp, height same as father. Hired March 13, 1839, sent to work at Trollhättan channel 1840, sent to Skåne 1849, in Schleswig 1850, in Malmö 1852, on Gotland 1854, on camp in Skåne 1860, sniper 1862, stopped as soldier March 31, 1869 after 30 years service, 53 years old. (Source: Mo härads kompani by Enar Skillius)
 
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2016-03-05, 14:06
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The daughter Stina, married the soldier Johannes Ny.
 
More about him
Soldier nr 828 at Nygården in Nittorp, Johannes Persson Ny, born Dec, 23, 1814 in Fiås, Nittorp. Served from Jan 15, 1841 to July 1, 1873, height 5 feet, 9 inch (Swedish), died Oct 29, 1907. (Source: Norra Kinds kompani by Ingvar Hallqvist)
 
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2016-03-13, 03:33
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Thanks Anneli for all those details.  Sorry, I have been offline for a few days.  Just out of curiosity, is there any significance to the name Gadd, or was that a name that they just picked randomly, or because they liked it or something?

2016-03-13, 11:55
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Eli,
 
During the 1900th century the soldiers very often got a speciell soldiername, a one syllable word connected to plants, animals or a positive soldier quality, like Elg (Moose), Björk (Birch), Stark (Strong), Frisk  (Healthy). Your soldier name Gadd means (Sting). It was easier for the commander to say just Gadd, Frisk and so on instead of Nilsson, Andersson, Larsson and Johansson.
 
I don't know if they selected the name themselves or it was given. It was in any case given when the same name followed the soldierhome. The next soldier got the same name even if they wasn't related to each others.  
 
Magnus Nilsson Gadd was the only one with this name at Öreryd's soldierhome. There is one more with the same name Gadd, Håkan Gadd in the same regiment earlier, but no relationship as far as I can see.
 
I can also tell you that when Nils Roth came with his family to Dalen in Mossebo in 1831, the parish Dalstorp promised to take the family back if they didn't manage to support themselves. (Mossebo AI:1 (1774-1834) AD online image 342/page 31) (Dalstorp KI:4 (1827-1854) AD online image 11/page.15)
 
N.B. Tomorrow Anbytarforum closes for a short period so no answers for a while if you have more questions. You can always email me directly, just click on my name to the left.
 
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2016-03-13, 19:22
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I can see how that would be confusing if they just used the names they were born with, and the commander called out their name.  Was that unusual that a parish would promise to take a family back if they couldn't support themselves, or was that something typically done for soldiers?  Thanks, Eli

2016-03-13, 23:07
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It happened more and not only for soldiers. The family had been supported in Dalstorp and the parish Mossebo didn't want to take care of more poor people. So the parish accepted the move only if Dalstorp accepted to take them back if they needed support again. This means that it was very difficult for a poor family to move.
 
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